{Fraud?} {Disarmed} Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance
Williamtfgoossen at cs.com wrote: > In een bericht met de datum 8-1-2006 21:31:57 West-Europa > (standaardtijd), schrijft gfrer at luna.nl: > > >> Information is exchanged in communities.All clinical information >> belongs to the healthcare domain. >> >> >> When clinical concept models (Archetypes) are expressed using an Open >> International Standard like the CEN/tc251 Archetypes, >> both the Archetype expression and the constituting clinical concept >> models are not owned in a commercial sense. >> >> >> Gerard > > > > Sorry to be late in response, but this comment is only partly true. > After having made about 150 archetypes for use in HL7 v3 messages > (technical transition being no issue at all, clinical material is), we > have encountered several issues. Hi William, I didn't know anyone had made archetypes for HL7v3 (except our one test archetype). Can you provide a URL to them? > > Not all clinical information belongs to the healthcare domain. Many > instruments and scales are copyrighted and require a licencing fee. > Use in EHR or message is in that case no different from paper versions > or dedicated software. This is similar to use of vocab which is or is > not copyrighted. Can you give an example of such a problem? > > Use of CEN / ISO or OpenEHR does not solve this issue, neither does > HL7: the clinical content can be owned in commercial sense. - thomas beale
{Fraud?} {Disarmed} Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance
Je suis absente du bureau jusqu'au jeudi 4 mai 2006. Sandrine Villaeys
Antw: Re: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance
www.zorginformatiemodel.nl has about 85 stroke patient related archetypes. unfortunately most are in Dutch, but we have translated about 10 to English now, most the simple ones or the ones that explain the approach also in more technical way. Key is the binding knowledge, variables, vocabulary, value set and unique coding for each element or node. William -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20060503/1b45b4db/attachment.html>
Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance
.uchsc.edu/son/sonweb.asp > & > Bestuurslid Vereniging voor Medische en Biologische > Informatieverwerking > http://www.vmbi.nl/ > & > Teacher in health and nursing informatics, MBA Health Management > University of Applied Sciences, Osnabr?ck, Germany. > http://www.wiso.fh-osnabrueck.de/aktuelle-lehre.html > & > Fellow of the Centre for Health Informatics Research and > Development (CHIRAD), School of Social Sciences, Kings Alfred's, > Winchester, UK. > MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from > "www.chirad.org.uk" claiming to be www.chirad.org.uk -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20060503/a661dee3/attachment.html>
Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance
> > You refer to machine computer system interfaces and that these might > be proprietary. Yes they could and will. > But when the holy grail is about plug-and-play interoperability then > these interfaces (archetypes) must be free to use. Gerard, how about SNOMED-tables, they are expensive, and many other terminology-tables? Will there be free replacement for that? This question is also relevant for third world countries, or health-information-systems used by poor organisations, f.e. free health care systems for illegal immigrants in Europe and the USA. They may be able to read messages, because messages probably have beside the code, also the description, but they cannot produce messages, because they will not be able to code their content Thanks Bert
Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance
Bert, The example of SNOMED is a good one. Looking at SNOMED we must ask the question: Are words in a dictionary proprietary? Do we have to pay for the use of these words in our conversations? Of course the answer is: NO. We have to pay for the medium: the book, the CD-ROM, the application. The maintenance of the words used in any language is most often paid for by the State. Language is a free commodity. SNOMED is a Reference Terminology. When local users map their local codes to SNOMED codes only the Terminology Server that does translations using SNOMED needs a licence. In its proposed pricing scheme SNOMED will ask more money from rich countries (millions) and very small amounts (ten-hundred Euro;'s) from poor countries. The are very sensible and indexed to the Gross National Product. Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 3-mei-2006, at 11:23, Bert Verhees wrote: >> >> You refer to machine computer system interfaces and that these might >> be proprietary. Yes they could and will. >> But when the holy grail is about plug-and-play interoperability then >> these interfaces (archetypes) must be free to use. > > Gerard, how about SNOMED-tables, they are expensive, and many other > terminology-tables? > Will there be free replacement for that? > > This question is also relevant for third world countries, or > health-information-systems used by poor organisations, f.e. free > health care > systems for illegal immigrants in Europe and the USA. > > They may be able to read messages, because messages probably have > beside the > code, also the description, but they cannot produce messages, > because they > will not be able to code their content > > Thanks > Bert -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20060503/0032b207/attachment.html>
