Antw: HL7 templates/archetypes

2006-10-15 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
In een bericht met de datum 15-10-2006 19:15:05 West-Europa (zomertijd), 
schrijft e0125766 at student.tuwien.ac.at:


 Hi,
 
 I'm writing my diploma thesis at the Vienna Medical University and I have a 
 question concerning the HL7 templates/archetypes. I'm aware that this sites 
 are related to the openEHR but maybe somebody can answer the following 
 question: 
 
 Which model (RIM, R-MIM, ...) and which formalism (ADL, OCL, OWL, ...) 
 should be used for the description and creation of the entry-level templates?
 
 Thanks for a brief answer!
 
 Best regards
 Dana Prochazkova
 

Can you define what you mean with 'entry level templates?' 

I am creating HL7 compliant and easily transformable to OpenEHR templates 
covering a wealth of clinical details. We have currently over 150 examples. 

dr. William Goossen\
the Netherlands

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HL7 templates/archetypes

2006-10-15 Thread Gerard Freriks
Dear Dana,

Asking the question on the OpenEHR list is answering it.
In my view only CEN/tc251, openEHR and ISO any time soon have the  
answer:
Use OpenEHR and the CEN and ISO standard.

This means the CEN part one standard is modelling any document or  
fragment there off.
This means CEN part two defining ADL.
OpenEHR is an implementation plus of the CEN/ISO standard for the EHR.
And provides the Archetype Editor to produce archetypes that can  
represent clinical information Models.
Both part one and two enable plug-and-play semantic interoperability.

HL7 has nothing that is coming close to something usefull and  
implementable.
The HL7 RIM has some known problems. The message Development Method  
has short comings that make it less than optimal for scalability.
Besides EN13606 will become an European standard and an International  
worldwide standard via ISO in addition.

Is there any real choice?

Gerard

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On 15-okt-2006, at 19:13, Dana Prochazkova wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm writing my diploma thesis at the Vienna Medical University and  
 I have a question concerning the HL7 templates/archetypes. I'm  
 aware that this sites are related to the openEHR but maybe somebody  
 can answer the following question:

 Which model (RIM, R-MIM, ...) and which formalism (ADL, OCL,  
 OWL, ...) should be used for the description and creation of the  
 entry-level templates?

 Thanks for a brief answer!

 Best regards
 Dana Prochazkova

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AW: HL7 templates/archetypes

2006-10-15 Thread Gregory Woodhouse

On Oct 15, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Gerard Freriks wrote:

 Dear Dana,

 Why would you like to do that?
 Theoretically it might be possible to map computationally  
 constraints imposed on one model to others imposed on an other,  
 where both ways express the same clinical model.
 But I doubt that this can be done.
 So far only humans can make the translation since only us humans  
 have an internal ontology, an internal knowledge of the clinical  
 world, that makes this possible.
 As far as I can see it, the CEN/tc251 EN13606 part 1 is a model of  
 any document.
 The HL7v3 RIM is a linguistic model of any possible statement of fact.
 Both are not the same.

Doesn't CDA provide the model for a document in the context of HL7?


Gregory Woodhouse
gregory.woodhouse at sbcglobal.net

Those who are enamored of practice
without theory are like a pilot who goes
into a ship without rudder or compass.
--Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)



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