Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 16:46 -0500, Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Spaulding wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 07:31 -0500, Ed Trager wrote: > > > If someone on this list has any ideas on how to check for @font-face > > > support using Javascript, please let all of us know about it. > > > > Well the definition for the 'em' unit is the size of of the capital > > letter M in the current font > > No. An em quad is (was) a square of type the size of the type -- the > full height of the other slugs and as wide as it was tall. Dang it, should of double checked that first. ex would be the one. :P -- Aaron http://sachimp.com http://getcorkd.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Spaulding wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 07:31 -0500, Ed Trager wrote: > > If someone on this list has any ideas on how to check for @font-face > > support using Javascript, please let all of us know about it. > > Well the definition for the 'em' unit is the size of of the capital > letter M in the current font No. An em quad is (was) a square of type the size of the type -- the full height of the other slugs and as wide as it was tall. It happens that in many fonts this is close to or the same as the width of the M, and that gave rise to the name, but they are not guaranteed to be the same. > So, it would be possible to create a font > with a letter 'M' that has an absurdly large height. Then you link the > font to the page, and create a div with a height of 1em. The pixel size > of the div should match the the height of the absurdly large > 'M' (provided you use the right font height). Interesting idea... Better to use ex, the x-height, which seems more likely to be font-specific, although I didn't check the CSS spec for it. Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 07:31 -0500, Ed Trager wrote: > If someone on this list has any ideas on how to check for @font-face > support using Javascript, please let all of us know about it. Well the definition for the 'em' unit is the size of of the capital letter M in the current font. So, it would be possible to create a font with a letter 'M' that has an absurdly large height. Then you link the font to the page, and create a div with a height of 1em. The pixel size of the div should match the the height of the absurdly large 'M' (provided you use the right font height). Not a perfect solution, but its better than nothing. -- Aaron http://sachimp.com http://getcorkd.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
Hi, everyone,
It would be nice if there were a way to query the browser (using
Javascript) about whether web fonts are supported or not. If that
were possible, then a web site like the new OFLB site could
dynamically show the web font preview when supported, and hide it from
view when not supported.
The Javascript would be trivial to write but my investigation so far
has not revealed any way of detecting web font support.
It is a common "best practice" principle when coding in Javascript
nowadays to check for the existence of certain properties. If the
property exists, then we can exploit the functionality whose presence
is implied by the presence of that property. If not, we can code
around it.
So perhaps we need to encourage the browser developers to expose a
public property, or document such if it already exists:
if( thisBrowser.supportsWebFonts ){
myWebFontDiv.style.display="block";
}else{
myWebFontDiv.style.display="none";
}
While I agree that the new OFLB site needs to rally toward the future,
unfortunately it looks clunky to say "The text to the right should be
rendered in Font_ thanks to web font linking with @font-face. If
you see a monospace font, your web browser probably does not yet
support this new web technology."
On my laptop, I see DejaVu Mono Sans used in FF 3.0.5 for the
unsupported @font-face preview. The problem is, unless I look very
closely, I might actually think that I *have* got a preview of
"Font_xxx" --especially if "Font_xxx" is some kind of sans serif font
(like Puritan, for example)!
If someone on this list has any ideas on how to check for @font-face
support using Javascript, please let all of us know about it.
- Ed Trager
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
> 2009/1/6 :
> >
> >>Dave Crossland wrote:
> >>FF3.1
> >
> > So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present
> > in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully
> > more browsers will support this in the future
>
> MSIE has web fonts for its DRM format, which the W3C has rejected, so
> no one else will ever support it. So we have to just wait for IE to
> support non-DRM formats.
>
> Opera's latest beta has support. Safari ships with support for nearly
> a year. Chrome is rumoured to have support.
>
> Web fonts is coming.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
2009/1/6 : Dave Crossland wrote: FF3.1 So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully more browsers will support this in the future MSIE has web fonts for its DRM format, which the W3C has rejected, so no one else will ever support it. So we have to just wait for IE to support non-DRM formats. Opera's latest beta has support. Safari ships with support for nearly a year. Chrome is rumoured to have support. Web fonts is coming. Chrome doesn't support font face yet but I saw discussions about that on the Chrome forums so it looks like it will be supported soon. Mourad.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:00 +, Dave Crossland wrote: > 2009/1/6 : > > > >>Dave Crossland wrote: > >>FF3.1 > > > > So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present > > in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully > > more browsers will support this in the future > > MSIE has web fonts for its DRM format, which the W3C has rejected, so > no one else will ever support it. So we have to just wait for IE to > support non-DRM formats. > > Opera's latest beta has support. Safari ships with support for nearly > a year. Chrome is rumoured to have support. > > Web fonts is coming. I agree. This is a GREAT strategy Dave IMO. Looking forward to focusing the launch and press around this. I will help to make sure this really takes off too. Which reminds me, need to press on OSUOSL. Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 - CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org BIO http://rejon.org/bio - CV http://rejon.org/bio/cv
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
2009/1/6 : > >>Dave Crossland wrote: >>FF3.1 > > So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present > in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully > more browsers will support this in the future MSIE has web fonts for its DRM format, which the W3C has rejected, so no one else will ever support it. So we have to just wait for IE to support non-DRM formats. Opera's latest beta has support. Safari ships with support for nearly a year. Chrome is rumoured to have support. Web fonts is coming.
[OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
>>I was looking at the url mentioned for for previews: >> >>_http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/admin/6_ >>(http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/admin/6) >> >>Mr. Traeger's preview works nicely, but I was wondering: >>Does the @font face preview on this page work with Firefox? >>I'm using the newest: Firefox/3.0.5, on win xp sp3, I only see a monospace >>font there. I've gone through all the Firefox settings, I have the "allow >>pages to choose their own fonts" box checked, i'm not sure what else I would need >>to do to get that working. I've downloaded and looked at the font, and I >>have been able to make it work with Safari. >Dave Crossland wrote: >FF3.1 So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully more browsers will support this in the future **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
FF3.1
[OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
I was looking at the url mentioned for for previews: _http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/admin/6_ (http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/admin/6) Mr. Traeger's preview works nicely, but I was wondering: Does the @font face preview on this page work with Firefox? I'm using the newest: Firefox/3.0.5, on win xp sp3, I only see a monospace font there. I've gone through all the Firefox settings, I have the "allow pages to choose their own fonts" box checked, i'm not sure what else I would need to do to get that working. I've downloaded and looked at the font, and I have been able to make it work with Safari. FF **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026)
