Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Will Ross wrote: Molly, I'm sorry for failing to review the OSHCA 2.0 release document sooner in the quickly moving process that is underway. Let's just replace all of my suggestions with the single observation that the Protem Committee has assigned itself tremendous authority and is ramming things through on such a rapid timeline that those of us in the rank and file are being asked to waive all concerns so as not to derail the process. Will, the community gave a similar mandate end of 2002, in fact a much stronger one for OSHCA to be incorporated and one of the reasons given by one of the iBOD members is that there was no time frame for OSHCA's incorporation even after one year had passed. I took a different approach when I offered to get OSHCA registered. I put a time frame to it and I would like to think that whoever is interested in the processes would monitor the list regularly for updates and respond accordingly. I'm sorry to sound that I'm ramming things through but I need to keep to timelines for the deliverables that I promise. I will make no effort to slow the process down, but I will observe that software developed under the same conditions is generally suboptimal. One of the primary benefits I enjoy from open source software is not that it can be assembled hastily against an aggressive deadline, without regard to quality, but that it is developed under a process that can accommodate rapid corrections and constant improvements to achieve a high standard of quality assurance and usability. The analogy you gave above is, I think, inappropriate here. We're assembling a group of interested individuals to agree to a constitution for registering an organisation. This is not software development. I like the early beta version of your 2.0 OSHCA project, but I am disappointed in the bugginess of RC1. My preference is for an elastic release date combined with very high QA standards. Perhaps in the long drought since the demise of OSHCA 1.0 we have become over eager to reanimate the beast. Unfortunately the elasticity of the earlier attempt to register led to the resignations of several iBOD members and OSHCA's demise (almost), hence its resurrection. I had also made it very clear when I took the responsibility for its registration that this is a new initiative and not a continuation of the previous effort. Tim had addressed your points appropriately since. Since I have no real standing in this process I will leave my observation where it is. Will, I actually invited you to join the protem in a private e-mail but as you're aware I did not get a reply, so I moved on and requested for help from someone else. There will be the democratic process of elections after OSHCA's registration. I hope you will become a member so that you can participate in defining OSHCA's future and not turn it into a beast. The constitution is a living document. It will really be a marvellous achievemnent for the protem if a sprinkling of individuals across the globe agrees to adopt it as a start. I don't expect a majority across the globe to agree to all of the articles. The variations can be articulated in the chapters, subsequently What the protem is doing now is just preparatory work towards getting OSHCA registered. Molly With best regards, [wr] - - - - - - - - On Apr 22, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Molly Cheah wrote: Hi Will, Your suggestions below pose a dilemma for me because of the time frame. As you're aware, in preparation for this inaugural meeting in 2 days' time, the preparatory process to arrive at an acceptable constitution went through 7 draft revisions, most of the work was done by the protem committee and somewhere along the way, draft4 was uploaded to this list from 7th April announced to the list on the 8th April and made available to everyone for seven (7) days for their input. Procedures were laid out in my e-mail to the list dated April 8th when I announced the upload of the draft constitution. All accetable input and changes made had been documented in the build status in build history and every draft is available. As I said repeatedly the constitution is a living document but somewhere along the line for drafting it, there has to be a cutoff point for acceptance of input. Can I suggest that these be proposed for amendments after OSHCA's registration i.e. during subsequent AGMs? Molly SPONSORED LINKS Software distribution Salon software Medical software Software association Software jewelry Software deployment YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Dear All, In the absence of any other, I volunteer to represent Latin America Caribbean. Regards, John John L. Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tecso Informática Ltda www.tecso.com.br Rua da Gloria 190/1002 Fone: (21) 2224-4643 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Fax: (21) 2509-0023 Citando Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm going to upload the documents for the Inaugural meeting Notice as soon as the protem committee had a chance to look at it and give me feedback. However, at this point, there is one vacancy for a protem member representing Latin America Caribbean. (By the way most of the references and names in lists used are taken from the United Nations) The people we source from Argentina, Brazil did not materialize. However, if there's anyone on this list from that region who will volunteer now, we'll give him/her priority otherwise anyone from any other region can volunteer to represent Latin America Caribbean. As you've volunteered, I don't think anyone will object to giving you preference if there is no Latin American or Caribbean volunteer. The other position is the auditor. I had to persuade Jason Tan to fill it as I couldn't find an alternative when Wayne Wilson moved to represent North America. The following volunteers were received for the Protem Committee of the organisation:- /President/ : Molly Cheah /Deputy President /: Thomas Beale /Secretary/ : Joseph dal Molin /Assistant Secretary/ : Juliana Tang /Treasurer/ : Adrian Midgley /Ordinary Committee Members/ : William Lauesen (Africa/Middle East) Nandalal Gunaratne (Asia) Katarzyna Heller (Eastern Europe Central Asia) Christian Heller (Europe) ? (Latin America Caribbean) Wayne Wilson (North America) Tim Churches (Oceania) /Honorary Auditors/ : K S Bhaskar Jason Tan Boon Teck Will Ross wrote: molly, i hope to have the opportunity to join the new entity you are quickly assembling. is the list of protem members public knowledge or are we waiting to find out? [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.462.6369 [office] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee, BCS, 2006 - - - - - - - - Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group openhealth on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Archive ISP, seu parceiro na internet! http://www.archive.com.br/ SPONSORED LINKS Software distribution Salon software Medical software Software association Software jewelry Software deployment YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Thomas Beale wrote: A fund would then make sense to support these. But I would like to postpone this discussion to the day when need arises. doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? But Tim seems to be saying start with e.g. 50AUD and convert this to all the other currencies? My early concern (either way) would be the cost resources of accounting, $ transfer processing etc. Even if the supposed income covers the $-cost, will it realistically cover the human cost? Who will do all this? - thomas My apologies for some confusion that relates to the membership fee. When we made changes to the drafts of the constitution, we made some drastic changes in relation to using the currencies of the different countries. William Lauesen drew my attention to the complexities using different currencies and he gave examples of them. We then took a change in approach by using the USD as reference currency but vary the amounts according to the countries' HDI status to address the issue of equity. The latest copy of the constitution that is available in the openhealth yahoogroups' file section provides for such changes. Incidently there are no annual fees charged for all categories of membership, even though we toyed with the idea of charging annual membership fees for the corporate members in our earlier drafts. We tried to simplify all processes for better management of OSHCA. Molly YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Thomas Beale wrote: doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? Not really, because the granularity of currency units varies greatly between countries - consider, for example: 50 Japanese Yen is only US$0.42 50 Philippine pesos is US$0.96 50 Mexican pesos is US$4.53 50 Indonesian rupiah is US$0.00562895 But Tim seems to be saying start with e.g. 50AUD and convert this to all the other currencies? And then apply the HDI-based factor to reduce the amount for transitional and developing countries. My early concern (either way) would be the cost resources of accounting, $ transfer processing etc. Even if the supposed income covers the $-cost, will it realistically cover the human cost? Who will do all this? No, the membership fee for each of the three HDI classes which Molly proposes should be specified in only US dollars and Euros, or perhaps only in Malaysian ringgit (that would make a refreshing change!). Conversion of each member's local currency to the prescribed membership fee would be the responsibility of the member and/or the payment mechanism eg Paypal, or your credit/debit card provider. If I buy something on the Internet from a vendor in a foreign country, my expectation is that prices will be quoted in US dollars, Euros or in the vendor's local currency, not in Australian dollars. Tim C YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Dr Molly Cheah wrote: What Tim's response is what I was eluding to. Here's the relevant article in the constitution. *6.1 - * The Committee shall prescribe a list of equitable membership entrance fee for different countries based on the UNDP’s 2005 Human Development Index (HDI) of the country. The entrance fee payable for membership shall be as follows (refer to List of Countries by HDI):- *6.1.1 - Ordinary member* Countries with High HDI USD10.00 Countries with Medium HDI USD5.00 Countries with Low HDI USD2.50 *6.1.2. - Associate member* 1. *- Civil Societies Professional bodies* Countries with High HDI USD20.00 Countries with Medium HDI USD10.00 Countries with Low HDI USD5.00 2. *- Corporations* Countries with High HDI USD100.00 Countries with Medium HDI USD50.00 Countries with Low HDI USD25.00 *6.2 - * There shall be no monthly subscription payable. However, members are encouraged to donate to specific projects as and when necessary. We've actually made the entrance fees very very affordable. These figures can be increased in subsequent amendments. However, as there is provision for donations and also special levies for projects, we can use those provisions for increasing contributions. OK. Sorry for suggesting membership fees rather higher than those which Molly proposes. I have forgotten the password for the Yahoo username which I used to subscribe to this list, so I have been unable to examine the draft constitution documents as yet - I have re-applied to join the list with a fresh username (no, there is no way to recover my password, since I used fake details to register which I no longer recall - I wouldn't trust Yahoo with any real personal details). Anyway, we can discuss the level of the fees further at the inaugural meeting - I think Molly's proposed fees are a bit too low. Tim C Tim.Churches wrote: Thomas Beale wrote: doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? Not really, because the granularity of currency units varies greatly between countries - consider, for example: 50 Japanese Yen is only US$0.42 50 Philippine pesos is US$0.96 50 Mexican pesos is US$4.53 50 Indonesian rupiah is US$0.00562895 But Tim seems to be saying start with e.g. 50AUD and convert this to all the other currencies? And then apply the HDI-based factor to reduce the amount for transitional and developing countries. My early concern (either way) would be the cost resources of accounting, $ transfer processing etc. Even if the supposed income covers the $-cost, will it realistically cover the human cost? Who will do all this? No, the membership fee for each of the three HDI classes which Molly proposes should be specified in only US dollars and Euros, or perhaps only in Malaysian ringgit (that would make a refreshing change!). Conversion of each member's local currency to the prescribed membership fee would be the responsibility of the member and/or the payment mechanism eg Paypal, or your credit/debit card provider. If I buy something on the Internet from a vendor in a foreign country, my expectation is that prices will be quoted in US dollars, Euros or in the vendor's local currency, not in Australian dollars. Tim C Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Tim.Churches wrote: OK. Sorry for suggesting membership fees rather higher than those which Molly proposes. I have forgotten the password for the Yahoo username which I used to subscribe to this list, so I have been unable to examine the draft constitution documents as yet - I have re-applied to join the list with a fresh username (no, there is no way to recover my password, since I used fake details to register which I no longer recall - I wouldn't trust Yahoo with any real personal details). Ignore that - Molly has distributed copies of the draft constitution via direct mail to protem committee members - I'll read it now and stop making uninfomed comments serves me right for catching up on a week's worth of email in reverse order - always a mistake. Tim C Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Some last minute suggestions. ARTICLE 1 - NAME The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance, hereafter referred to as OSCHA, and shall be registered in Malaysia. ARTICLE 3 - CHAPTERS Why is South America omitted? This collection of regions seems complex. The boundaries between regions is not obvious from the text. Why not use the same 6 global regions as FIFA? ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP 5.2 - The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a reason. ARTICLE 8 - COMMITTEE 9.8 - In the event of the death or resignation of a member of the Committee, the Committee shall have the power to APPOINT any other member of OSHCA to fill the vacancy until the next annual general meeting, but the member shall have the right to decline to be appointed to the Committee without resigning from OSHCA. ARTICLE 11 - FINANCIAL PROVISIONS 11.2 - change any officer or servant of OSHCA to any officer of OSHCA or other volunteer ARTICLE 14 - INTERPRETATION 14.2 -- (improved wording) Except when contrary to or inconsistent with a policy previously established by a general meeting, decisions of the Committee shall be binding on all members of OSHCA unless or until countermanded by a resolution at a general meeting. ARTICLE 16 - PROHIBITIONS 16.4 - I don't understand this. Are Malaysian students who are over 21 prohibited from joining OSHCA unless they have prior written approval from the University? ARTICLE 17 - AMENDMENTS I would like to see a requirement that the exact wording of any constitutional amendment must circulated ahead of a meeting. I fear the opportunity for the general meeting to compose and pass a constitutional amendment without prior circulation to the larger membership. Respectfully submitted, [wr] - - - - - - - - On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Molly Cheah wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to announce the following: 1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to finalise the representation for Latin America Caribbean which is still outstanding. 2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA logo under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA country list by HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to download. The regions list essentially provides information of the region your country belongs to. Article 6 of the constitution provides for membership fees which is based on the principles of equity and affordability and the HDI list gives information on which category your country belongs to in the HDI list. Please note that the protem committee had gone through 7 drafts of the constitution which was also made available on this list for 7 days for comments. However, the constitution itself is a living document. For the purpose of registering OSHCA all those who wish to be OSHCA members need to agree to the constitution, agree to the resolutions (this will be uploaded by the 24th April) and provide minimal personal information all of which will be made available in the said form. As preparatory to the process, I suggest that you look through the constitution to familiarize with the Articles to understand your commitment if you chose to be a member of OSHCA. Rgds, Molly Yahoo! Groups Links [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.462.6369 [office] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee, BCS, 2006 - - - - - - - - SPONSORED LINKS Software distribution Salon software Medical software Software association Software jewelry Software deployment YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On the OSCHA website issue. I am sure there are about 10 people that would be willing to host the website. For those of us with server resources the cost approaches zero. It is so easy to transfer a website that the host need not be a permenant. It would be worthwhile to have a temporary website for even three months. I have a web server that lives at 64.39.27.128 If someone will point the domain at that server, then I will setup a simple blog to track the progress of the formation, as well as a simple file repository, which I will give Molly ftp upload access to. I will also post several initial blog posts which link to these openhealth discussions, so that someone new to the organization can quickly catchup on all of the important discussions we have had so far. At the bottom of the page I will add a link that says OSCHA.org is currently sponsored by the MirrorMed project At the option of Molly and the newly forming board I will contriute the resourses needed for permenant hosting. (i.e. forums, wiki, or other standard communit enablers). But please if you do not get hosting help from me get help somewhere. -- Fred Trotter SynSeer, Consultant http://www.fredtrotter.com http://www.synseer.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Hi Will, Your suggestions below pose a dilemma for me because of the time frame. As you're aware, in preparation for this inaugural meeting in 2 days' time, the preparatory process to arrive at an acceptable constitution went through 7 draft revisions, most of the work was done by the protem committee and somewhere along the way, draft4 was uploaded to this list from 7th April announced to the list on the 8th April and made available to everyone for seven (7) days for their input. Procedures were laid out in my e-mail to the list dated April 8th when I announced the upload of the draft constitution. All accetable input and changes made had been documented in the build status in build history and every draft is available. As I said repeatedly the constitution is a living document but somewhere along the line for drafting it, there has to be a cutoff point for acceptance of input. Can I suggest that these be proposed for amendments after OSHCA's registration i.e. during subsequent AGMs? Molly Will Ross wrote: Some last minute suggestions. ARTICLE 1 - NAME The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance, hereafter referred to as OSCHA, and shall be registered in Malaysia. ARTICLE 3 - CHAPTERS Why is South America omitted? This collection of regions seems complex. The boundaries between regions is not obvious from the text. Why not use the same 6 global regions as FIFA? ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP 5.2 - The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a reason. ARTICLE 8 - COMMITTEE 9.8 - In the event of the death or resignation of a member of the Committee, the Committee shall have the power to APPOINT any other member of OSHCA to fill the vacancy until the next annual general meeting, but the member shall have the right to decline to be appointed to the Committee without resigning from OSHCA. ARTICLE 11 - FINANCIAL PROVISIONS 11.2 - change any officer or servant of OSHCA to any officer of OSHCA or other volunteer ARTICLE 14 - INTERPRETATION 14.2 -- (improved wording) Except when contrary to or inconsistent with a policy previously established by a general meeting, decisions of the Committee shall be binding on all members of OSHCA unless or until countermanded by a resolution at a general meeting. ARTICLE 16 - PROHIBITIONS 16.4 - I don't understand this. Are Malaysian students who are over 21 prohibited from joining OSHCA unless they have prior written approval from the University? ARTICLE 17 - AMENDMENTS I would like to see a requirement that the exact wording of any constitutional amendment must circulated ahead of a meeting. I fear the opportunity for the general meeting to compose and pass a constitutional amendment without prior circulation to the larger membership. Respectfully submitted, [wr] - - - - - - - - On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Molly Cheah wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to announce the following: 1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to finalise the representation for Latin America Caribbean which is still outstanding. 2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA logo under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA country list by HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to download. The regions list essentially provides information of the region your country belongs to. Article 6 of the constitution provides for membership fees which is based on the principles of equity and affordability and the HDI list gives information on which category your country belongs to in the HDI list. Please note that the protem committee had gone through 7 drafts of the constitution which was also made available on this list for 7 days for comments. However, the constitution itself is a living document. For the purpose of registering OSHCA all those who wish to be OSHCA members need to agree to the constitution, agree to the resolutions (this will be uploaded by the 24th April) and provide minimal personal information all of which will be made available in the said form. As preparatory to the process, I suggest that you look through the constitution to familiarize with the Articles to understand your commitment if you chose to be a member of OSHCA. Rgds, Molly Yahoo! Groups Links [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.462.6369 [office] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee, BCS, 2006 - - - - - - - - Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Molly, I'm sorry for failing to review the OSHCA 2.0 release document sooner in the quickly moving process that is underway. Let's just replace all of my suggestions with the single observation that the Protem Committee has assigned itself tremendous authority and is ramming things through on such a rapid timeline that those of us in the rank and file are being asked to waive all concerns so as not to derail the process. I will make no effort to slow the process down, but I will observe that software developed under the same conditions is generally suboptimal. One of the primary benefits I enjoy from open source software is not that it can be assembled hastily against an aggressive deadline, without regard to quality, but that it is developed under a process that can accommodate rapid corrections and constant improvements to achieve a high standard of quality assurance and usability. I like the early beta version of your 2.0 OSHCA project, but I am disappointed in the bugginess of RC1. My preference is for an elastic release date combined with very high QA standards. Perhaps in the long drought since the demise of OSHCA 1.0 we have become over eager to reanimate the beast. Since I have no real standing in this process I will leave my observation where it is. With best regards, [wr] - - - - - - - - On Apr 22, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Molly Cheah wrote: Hi Will, Your suggestions below pose a dilemma for me because of the time frame. As you're aware, in preparation for this inaugural meeting in 2 days' time, the preparatory process to arrive at an acceptable constitution went through 7 draft revisions, most of the work was done by the protem committee and somewhere along the way, draft4 was uploaded to this list from 7th April announced to the list on the 8th April and made available to everyone for seven (7) days for their input. Procedures were laid out in my e-mail to the list dated April 8th when I announced the upload of the draft constitution. All accetable input and changes made had been documented in the build status in build history and every draft is available. As I said repeatedly the constitution is a living document but somewhere along the line for drafting it, there has to be a cutoff point for acceptance of input. Can I suggest that these be proposed for amendments after OSHCA's registration i.e. during subsequent AGMs? Molly Will Ross wrote: Some last minute suggestions. ARTICLE 1 - NAME The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance, hereafter referred to as OSCHA, and shall be registered in Malaysia. ARTICLE 3 - CHAPTERS Why is South America omitted? This collection of regions seems complex. The boundaries between regions is not obvious from the text. Why not use the same 6 global regions as FIFA? ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP 5.2 - The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a reason. ARTICLE 8 - COMMITTEE 9.8 - In the event of the death or resignation of a member of the Committee, the Committee shall have the power to APPOINT any other member of OSHCA to fill the vacancy until the next annual general meeting, but the member shall have the right to decline to be appointed to the Committee without resigning from OSHCA. ARTICLE 11 - FINANCIAL PROVISIONS 11.2 - change any officer or servant of OSHCA to any officer of OSHCA or other volunteer ARTICLE 14 - INTERPRETATION 14.2 -- (improved wording) Except when contrary to or inconsistent with a policy previously established by a general meeting, decisions of the Committee shall be binding on all members of OSHCA unless or until countermanded by a resolution at a general meeting. ARTICLE 16 - PROHIBITIONS 16.4 - I don't understand this. Are Malaysian students who are over 21 prohibited from joining OSHCA unless they have prior written approval from the University? ARTICLE 17 - AMENDMENTS I would like to see a requirement that the exact wording of any constitutional amendment must circulated ahead of a meeting. I fear the opportunity for the general meeting to compose and pass a constitutional amendment without prior circulation to the larger membership. Respectfully submitted, [wr] - - - - - - - - On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Molly Cheah wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to announce the following: 1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to finalise the representation for Latin America Caribbean which is still outstanding. 2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA logo under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA country list by HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to download. The
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Will Ross wrote: Some last minute suggestions. ARTICLE 1 - NAME The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance, hereafter referred to as OSCHA, and shall be registered in Malaysia. That is better wording but not really a substantial change - not an essential modification from my perspective - but I doubt there would be objection to it. ARTICLE 3 - CHAPTERS Why is South America omitted? This collection of regions seems complex. The boundaries between regions is not obvious from the text. Why not use the same 6 global regions as FIFA? Latin America and the Carribean is on the current list. Latin America includes all of South America, doesn't it, together with Central America and Mexico? I suspect that Mexico has more in common with respect to opens source software in health with its neighbours to the south than it does with El Norte. ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP 5.2 - The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a reason. Strictly speaking, shall should be used only for the first person singular or plural. The use of should (as the text currently reads) to convey obligation is acceptable and common usage - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv43.shtml - although I note that shall has a specific meaning of obligation in American formal usage, which it doesn't have in the formal English usage in most Commonwealth countries, although I note that teh use of shall throughout the proposed constitution doesn't adhere to strict formal English usage. However, I think we are splitting hairs (but not infinitives) here. Shall we leave it as is? ARTICLE 8 - COMMITTEE 9.8 - In the event of the death or resignation of a member of the Committee, the Committee shall have the power to APPOINT any other member of OSHCA to fill the vacancy until the next annual general meeting, but the member shall have the right to decline to be appointed to the Committee without resigning from OSHCA. I think that co-opt (in the current text) is being used to mean summary appointment. However there is no suggestion of coercion in any of the senses of co-option (or co-optation), are there? See http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=co-optgwp=13 Thus I feel that co-opt is quite acceptable. ARTICLE 11 - FINANCIAL PROVISIONS 11.2 - change any officer or servant of OSHCA to any officer of OSHCA or other volunteer Yes, servant is slightly archaic, but hey, I am still employed as a public servant (touch forelock, genuflect). Perhaps we might leave it as is, m'lud? ARTICLE 14 - INTERPRETATION 14.2 -- (improved wording) Except when contrary to or inconsistent with a policy previously established by a general meeting, decisions of the Committee shall be binding on all members of OSHCA unless or until countermanded by a resolution at a general meeting. Yes, that's better. There is a typo in the version 7 draft to me by Molly on 20/4 - there should be they. When fixing that, might as well change to Will's suggested text above. ARTICLE 16 - PROHIBITIONS 16.4 - I don't understand this. Are Malaysian students who are over 21 prohibited from joining OSHCA unless they have prior written approval from the University? Presumably all the rules in this section are required to meet some slightly idiosyncratic Malayasian legal requirements - every country has its own peculiarities (for example, the gambling game of two-up is illegal in Australia except on 25th April - true! - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-up However, paragraph 16.1 does prohibit the playing of all video games on OSHCA premises. Molly, that means you can't play mahjong on your laptop. ARTICLE 17 - AMENDMENTS I would like to see a requirement that the exact wording of any constitutional amendment must circulated ahead of a meeting. I fear the opportunity for the general meeting to compose and pass a constitutional amendment without prior circulation to the larger membership. Paragraphs 8.4 and 8.7 both require that agenda for annual and extraordinary general meetings be circulated 14 days prior to each meeting. Thus it would not be possible to effect a change to the constitution without two weeks notice of it being placed on the agenda. I don't think that it necessary to specify that the exact wording be circulated beforehand - that would be usual in any case, and would be demanded by members if it were not. The main thing is that completely ad hoc, spur-of-the-moment changes to the constitution will not be possible. Clearly, the Chair of the general meetings should not permit something as fundamental as a constitutional change to be conducted as unannounced Any other business. Tim C On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Molly Cheah wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to announce the following: 1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
Yes, it would be nice if this info was put on the oscha.org web site (or at least told there where to find the information). I don't understand representation by region. I assumed that people from anywhere can join and that region doesn't matter. I also don't understand the use of HDI. It seems to me that the organization should look for non-profit foundation support rather than dues. If the goals of OSHCA are worthwhile, it shouldn't be hard to find grant support of some kind. Dave Fred Trotter wrote: Sorry, I do not find a link... should we be looking at www.oscha.org?? That says the next meeting is in 2002 :) -FT On 4/21/06, Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to announce the following: 1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day. The form for participating in the inaugural meeting will be uploaded to the files section of this list by 24th April. I will provide the procedures for participating in this inaugural meeting by tomorrow as we need to finalise the representation for Latin America Caribbean which is still outstanding. 2. The proposed OSHCA constitution (latest copy includes the OSHCA logo under Article 19), the OSHCA regions list and the OSHCA country list by HDI (Human Development Index) are now available for you to download. The regions list essentially provides information of the region your country belongs to. Article 6 of the constitution provides for membership fees which is based on the principles of equity and affordability and the HDI list gives information on which category your country belongs to in the HDI list. Please note that the protem committee had gone through 7 drafts of the constitution which was also made available on this list for 7 days for comments. However, the constitution itself is a living document. For the purpose of registering OSHCA all those who wish to be OSHCA members need to agree to the constitution, agree to the resolutions (this will be uploaded by the 24th April) and provide minimal personal information all of which will be made available in the said form. As preparatory to the process, I suggest that you look through the constitution to familiarize with the Articles to understand your commitment if you chose to be a member of OSHCA. Rgds, Molly Yahoo! Groups Links -- Fred Trotter SynSeer, Consultant http://www.fredtrotter.com http://www.synseer.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group openhealth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
David Forslund wrote: Yes, it would be nice if this info was put on the oscha.org web site (or at least told there where to find the information). The information is in the file section of this mailing list. That's how Bhakar had set it. I can't attach files to post to the list. And I understand why. We need to deliver within the constraints of the current situation. I don't have access to the current server that oshca.org resides in. It takes time, effort and money to find a new home for OSHCA. But my focus now is the registration of OSHCA which had dogged us for the past 3 years. The requirement for registering an NGO in Malaysia is that a minimum of 7 people get together in a meeting, agree to form the organisation, agree to a constitution, agree to a protem committee, give some information on themselves. All these information in the form of minutes of that meeting, the adopted constitution be then submitted to the Registrar of Societies (ROS) using their prescribed forms in order for the ROS to register OSHCA. If we have much more than 7 people, we will make a better case for getting the registration and also create the right message for funding See the quote from UNDP-APDIP below. So I urge as many as possible to support this registration process. After registration, there is always that democratic process for elections, amending the constitution etc In the meantime this is all I can do in my power to make good my taking on to register OSHCA in the manner I know. I don't understand representation by region. The constitution explains this. I assumed that people from anywhere can join and that region doesn't matter. That's true. I also don't understand the use of HDI. There must be an affordable and equitable membership fee to symbolise the commitment if one wishes to be a member of OSHCA. Too small an amount may make collecting the money not worth the effort as financial cost may be more that the fees to be collected. This is an old issue. I wish I know of a better way to categorise countries .. It seems to me that the organization should look for non-profit foundation support rather than dues. I agree. It's the chicken and the egg situation. Right now most of the cost incurred to get OSHCA registered is the protem committees' time. I had started to source for funding and the following quote is the response I receive to my request for support for OSHCA from UNDP-APDIP Dear Molly, Congratulations on your progress with OSHCA. Indeed health is an area where FOSS can make a lot of difference especially in the lives of the poor and marginalized in developing countries. Regarding your request, we are pleased to inform you that IOSN has just recently named centers of excellence in FOSS development in three areas/nodes: University of the South Pacific (for Pacific Island Countries), University of the Philippines Manila (for ASEAN+3), and CDAC for South Asia. The managers from each of these nodes will be formally meeting in Bangkok in early May together with UNDP-APDIP to determine their next steps. In fact, supporting FOSS efforts such as OSHCA will be on the discussion list. Offhand, I would say that the things you ask for, namely: 2. Some funding to purchase a server and have Co-location facilities 3. Maintenance of server and mailing list (volunteers from membership) 4. Some funding for organizing a post-incorporation meeting/conference to take stock of current FOSS applications/solutions in health care and to strategies OSHCA's future direction sometime end of 2006. We have volunteers to host the 2007 conference/meeting in Australia are all within the purview of the IOSN although the manner of proceeding will be determined categorically only after the first steering committee meeting in Bangkok. We highly encourage you to proceed with your efforts to formally register OSHCA as no one will be able to consider support to it until it is a formally registered body, and we will get back to you once the processes for awarding IOSN grants have been finalized. We also would like to connect you with Dr. Alvin B. Marcelo who is the node manager for IOSN ASEAN+3(UP Manila). Dr. Marcelo is a surgeon with strong background in adopting FOSS for health care. He was part of the original group of OSHCA members back when they were still with Minoru. Finally, you should also know that we have shared your request with IDRC Ottawa (Laurent Elder) and he or Maria Ng (Pan-Asia, in Singapore) may also be in touch with you directly for further information. Cheers, Phet If the goals of OSHCA are worthwhile, it shouldn't be hard to find grant support of some kind. Dave, it would be really nice if you help to get some funds as well. In fact the OSHCA constitution provides for donations as well. Right now my focus is to get OSHCA registered. To answer Fred's comment, there is no link. The information is my announcement and the files I uploaded to the
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement
I believe that OSHCA should be a not-for-profit but not a charitable organisation. Free sometimes attract the wrong type of people who may make up the numbers but do not show commitment to OSHCA's cause. Besides there is a cost in servicing these free riders and I don't think we want OSHCA to be just a free riders' organisation. If there are people who are genuinely interested in becoming members and contributing towards OSHCA's objectives, but cannot afford the entrance fees, perhaps we can set up a donation fund to help them. This is what we did for the Malaysian Council for Tobacco Control (MCTC) and we got funds from Rockefeller Foundation to assist the poorer NGOs to be members. Our entrance fees was MYR200.00. The amount to be collected should be such that it will offset the financial cost associated with the collection process, but yet affordable and equitable. Rgds, Molly Christian Heller wrote: Hi, [..] look for non-profit foundation support rather than dues. If the goals of OSHCA are worthwhile, it shouldn't be hard to find grant support of some kind. I've thought about this comment of Dave Forslund once more. Perhaps he's right and we should permit any private person to become a member of OSHCA, FOR FREE. Otherwise, there is always a barrier to enter, even with lowest fees. Companies, on the other hand, should be obliged to pay a certain amount, to thereby contribute to financing OSHCA. However, perhaps it is too late now to change that in the documents? We can still talk about it at the inaugural meeting, I guess. Christian Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "openhealth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
