Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 03:32 PM, Mark wrote: Postfix is probably the easiest drop-in replacement. But IMO a packaging of it should get lots of testing before going into a stable distro, and regardless of which is eventually the default or preferred choice, both should remain available. I did poke around at this, but found that the fmd smtp notification uses sendmail, and has a dependancy on it, so I put the effort into getting fmd working via snmp instead. postfix will handle that just fine. It is just a packaging issue. I'm probably biased, having had to hire a sendmail expert for a week to create a complex email routing server with Solaris, that I later replaced with postfix myself in an afternoon (on Centos). Not keen on reading and writing sendmail rulesets? Yeah, me neither. Forgetting to use tabs just makes you go bonkers later. I'm a fan of the minimal fries with that OS approach, and then clip in your favourite packages. Well, sendmail would be minimal...you'd have to patch it to be mysql table lookup support for example while postfix will just require enabling to get mysql/pgsql/pcre lookups...maybe too fancy for some. I'm about to update a 40Tb snv_134 storage server to OpenIndiana. I've migrated the data already, and there is a considerable difference in setup around networking and zfs ACL's especially with sharing filesystems with both nfs and smb. I guess using samba means that I will miss out on that kind of stuff. But I don't see considerable difference in networking unless you are talking about nwam or more features... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26/01/11 04:22, Ken Gunderson wrote: Sure, the *BSD ship with Sendmail, but that is mostly for historical reasons and that nobody wants to get into a holy war as to what a more modern default should be. At the time Debian opted for Exim, Sendmail was one security exploit after another waiting to happen, Postfix was not yet in existence and Qmail, the other potential contender, had an unacceptable license. Several Linux distributions ship with Postfix. Just because Oracle makes a poor decision and ships Sendmail doesn't mean OI necessarily has to follow, no? Well, it has been ages since the last sendmail remote exploit, but I personally know quite a few guys rebuilding servers after being exploited thru Exim (just days -a week?- ago). OI 148 uses sendmail. The stable release should be minimal change, security fixes only. Any extra developer will be used to integrate Illumos. If a 3th party provides a postfix replacement for sendmail, perfect. But do not delay 148+support for the sake of it. PS: I personally use postfix too. - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ j...@jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:j...@jabber.org _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Things are not so easy _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ My name is Dump, Core Dump _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro - Leibniz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTUAKBJlgi5GaxT1NAQK0FAP/YqG7N+vxmWfHP70c023VuHmk28WtNeVO a9RR94z1lAZyJpu03rURazjsPw/Av8XNSCSqBcBE4G2HEubTsSbBg7phoQ27b9KZ UWeEGt+WZlgy3A2GreESSjSWEchalezFKLFxNWYKdDBEd96oLVxbJPr24JiP5QB9 o5JYLeAVPh4= =RNIN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch
On 25 Jan 2011, at 22:38, Kevin J. Woolley wrote: This is exactly the mentoring offer I've been waiting for. I'll be happy to document what I learn; hopefully this well help as well. I'm pretty good at building software, can often fix build bugs and port between Unix systems where they're incompatible, but I need experience with zones and a lot of help with making IPS packages and SMF integration. Hey Kevin, Great, okay! Guido (gber on IRC) is heading up the OIAC effort - at the moment the best place to get started is with the Spec Files Extra project SFE, which uses a tool called pkgbuild. pkgbuild takes RPM-like spec files and uses them to build software, so the main thing to do is to get started writing spec files. There's a #pkgbuild on irc.freenode.net and please do also drop by #oi-dev where myself/Guido/others can get you started. Saablover and Wilbs are also just getting started with this so you might want to chat to them. Cheers, Alasdair ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch
On 26 Jan 2011, at 00:00, Edward Martinez wrote: Hi Alasdair Google Summer of Code 2011 was just announce, wondering if OI can benefit by taking part? http://code.google.com/soc/ I don't know much about the Google Summer of Code, and time-wise I'm pretty over-stretched. Would you be interested in reading up on it and putting our project forward for it? Regards, Alasdair ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch
I think Alasdair has been clear, Stable will be 148 with security patches only. No matter what, how or even good reasons matter at this stage, Stable-148 is effectively locked down bar security and critical fixes. Best course of action is to get security helpers in, which will get Stable out the door ASAP and then open up these discussion for the longer Stable release schedules and choices, next one will be a biggy as we move to an illumos core. Doing this is a lot of work for the OI team, and (wo)manpower is short. If anyone has a bit of spare time, volunteering for the security team would be greatly appreciated (they will mentor if you've never done it before) or filling wiki pages or even just filling in the HCL with any data on machines you are running OI would help. We are approaching the first major milestone of the OpenIndiana and illumos projects, hopefully the second will follow fairly quickly and then we can push forward with new and exciting developments :) Just my 2p, Deano -Original Message- From: Jesus Cea [mailto:j...@jcea.es] Sent: 26 January 2011 11:48 To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26/01/11 04:22, Ken Gunderson wrote: Sure, the *BSD ship with Sendmail, but that is mostly for historical reasons and that nobody wants to get into a holy war as to what a more modern default should be. At the time Debian opted for Exim, Sendmail was one security exploit after another waiting to happen, Postfix was not yet in existence and Qmail, the other potential contender, had an unacceptable license. Several Linux distributions ship with Postfix. Just because Oracle makes a poor decision and ships Sendmail doesn't mean OI necessarily has to follow, no? Well, it has been ages since the last sendmail remote exploit, but I personally know quite a few guys rebuilding servers after being exploited thru Exim (just days -a week?- ago). OI 148 uses sendmail. The stable release should be minimal change, security fixes only. Any extra developer will be used to integrate Illumos. If a 3th party provides a postfix replacement for sendmail, perfect. But do not delay 148+support for the sake of it. PS: I personally use postfix too. - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ j...@jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:j...@jabber.org _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Things are not so easy _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ My name is Dump, Core Dump _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro - Leibniz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTUAKBJlgi5GaxT1NAQK0FAP/YqG7N+vxmWfHP70c023VuHmk28WtNeVO a9RR94z1lAZyJpu03rURazjsPw/Av8XNSCSqBcBE4G2HEubTsSbBg7phoQ27b9KZ UWeEGt+WZlgy3A2GreESSjSWEchalezFKLFxNWYKdDBEd96oLVxbJPr24JiP5QB9 o5JYLeAVPh4= =RNIN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 06:16 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote: We have infrastructure based on and supported by sendmail. I know that postfix does everything sendmail does ... but we have a lot of experience and history related to the Solaris version of Sendmail (and yes it is different from the one from sendmail.org) _IF_ you really want postfix to be there can we make it an alternative in the same way as network/physical:nwam and network/physical:default so as not to break compatibility, but add extra features? I am not advocating replacing sendmail and yes, make it an alternative. There is the whole /etc/alternatives on Linux distros just to handle various solutions for java, mtas, and other stuff with multiple compatible choices. The same or similar can be done. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] solaris vs opensolaris and about security to LInux
Hi Can someone have time to explain me what is the different between solaris10 and opensolaris? ls opensolaris also in C2 security model to compare to linux? Thank you ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] solaris vs opensolaris and about security to LInux
On 01/26/11 07:18 AM, ann kok wrote: Can someone have time to explain me what is the different between solaris10 and opensolaris? OpenSolaris was the open source release of the code for the development branch of the version after Solaris 10, which is now being called Solaris 11. There was also a distro named OpenSolaris, with releases such as OpenSolaris 2008.05 and OpenSolaris 2009.06 - that distro has been discontinued, and replaced by Oracle Solaris 11 Express, a preview of the future Solaris 11. ls opensolaris also in C2 security model to compare to linux? C2 is very much obsolete on every OS. Solaris 10, Solaris 11 OpenSolaris all include stronger protections than that level provided, including multi-level/labeled security via Solaris Trusted Extensions. The security-discuss mailing list or forum on this website can answer specific questions there. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] solaris vs opensolaris and about security to LInux
On 01/26/11 07:36 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 01/26/11 07:18 AM, ann kok wrote: Can someone have time to explain me what is the different between solaris10 and opensolaris? OpenSolaris was the open source release of the code for the development branch of the version after Solaris 10, which is now being called Solaris 11. There was also a distro named OpenSolaris, with releases such as OpenSolaris 2008.05 and OpenSolaris 2009.06 - that distro has been discontinued, and replaced by Oracle Solaris 11 Express, a preview of the future Solaris 11. ls opensolaris also in C2 security model to compare to linux? C2 is very much obsolete on every OS. Solaris 10, Solaris 11 OpenSolaris all include stronger protections than that level provided, including multi-level/labeled security via Solaris Trusted Extensions. The security-discuss mailing list or forum on this website can answer specific questions there. Whoops, of course, when the response arrived back in my inbox I noticed this was on openindiana-discuss, not the opensolaris-discuss I thought. That last bit referred to security-disc...@opensolaris.org, not an openindiana list. (And of course OpenIndiana is another fork/replacement distro for the discontinued OpenSolaris, but presumably you knew that when you mailed the OpenIndiana mailing list.) -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Firefox wedged system
FWIW Firefox just wedged OI_148 so tight the only thing that would still respond was the mouse cursor. Nothing else on console (didn't try ssh). Had to force a power down. System had probably been up for 2 weeks. Does anyone want me to collect additional data? Have Fun! Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Firefox wedged system
Which Firefox? I uninstalled FF 4b8 the other day because the only way to recover was to power off ... but FF 3.6 works fine. On 26 January 2011 15:49, Reginald Beardsley pulask...@yahoo.com wrote: FWIW Firefox just wedged OI_148 so tight the only thing that would still respond was the mouse cursor. Nothing else on console (didn't try ssh). Had to force a power down. System had probably been up for 2 weeks. Does anyone want me to collect additional data? Have Fun! Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Firefox wedged system
3.6.8 On reflection Firefox almost certainly called XGrabButton and then ran into the weeds. I had 9 tabs open and it had been running for quite a while. Very likely for the full system uptime. So not really worth bothering about. 15 years ago I had a TTY on my desk next to my Sparcstation so I could debug this sort of thing. It had been so long I failed to recognize what had happened right away. Have Fun! Reg --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Firefox wedged system To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 10:00 AM Which Firefox? I uninstalled FF 4b8 the other day because the only way to recover was to power off ... but FF 3.6 works fine. On 26 January 2011 15:49, Reginald Beardsley pulask...@yahoo.com wrote: FWIW Firefox just wedged OI_148 so tight the only thing that would still respond was the mouse cursor. Nothing else on console (didn't try ssh). Had to force a power down. System had probably been up for 2 weeks. Does anyone want me to collect additional data? Have Fun! Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] crontab error
Hi I am trying crontab cron1.txt and have error as root@opensolaris:~/ann# crontab cron1.txt 0 0 * * 7 /root/ann/deletelog.sh /dev/null 21 crontab: error on previous line; number out of bounds. crontab: errors detected in input, no crontab file generated. but it is fine in linux. What am I wrong? cron1.txt * * * * * /root/ann/1.sh /dev/null 21 * * * * * /root/ann/2.sh /dev/null 21 * * * * * /root/ann/3.sh /dev/null 21 59 23 * * * /root/ann/backup.sh /dev/null 21 0 0 * * 7 /root/ann/deletelog.sh /dev/null 21 Thank you ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] crontab error
On Wednesday, 26 January, 2011 13:31, ann kok oiyan...@yahoo.ca said: Hi I am trying crontab cron1.txt and have error as root@opensolaris:~/ann# crontab cron1.txt 0 0 * * 7 /root/ann/deletelog.sh /dev/null 21 crontab: error on previous line; number out of bounds. crontab: errors detected in input, no crontab file generated. but it is fine in linux. What am I wrong? cron1.txt * * * * * /root/ann/1.sh /dev/null 21 * * * * * /root/ann/2.sh /dev/null 21 * * * * * /root/ann/3.sh /dev/null 21 59 23 * * * /root/ann/backup.sh /dev/null 21 0 0 * * 7 /root/ann/deletelog.sh /dev/null 21 My first guess is that the '7' is responsible -- that column may be zero-indexed. Try '6'. Cheers, kjw ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] crontab error
On Wednesday, 26 January, 2011 13:31, ann kok oiyan...@yahoo.ca said: Hi I am trying crontab cron1.txt and have error as root@opensolaris:~/ann# crontab cron1.txt 0 0 * * 7 /root/ann/deletelog.sh /dev/null 21 crontab: error on previous line; number out of bounds. crontab: errors detected in input, no crontab file generated. but it is fine in linux. What am I wrong? cron1.txt * * * * * /root/ann/1.sh /dev/null 21 * * * * * /root/ann/2.sh /dev/null 21 * * * * * /root/ann/3.sh /dev/null 21 59 23 * * * /root/ann/backup.sh /dev/null 21 0 0 * * 7 /root/ann/deletelog.sh /dev/null 21 From crontab(5) on a Linux box: day of week0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) Zero is the only valid value for Sunday on Solaris, so use 0 (instead of 6, as in my last message). Cheers, kjw ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] crontab error
Best thing is to pull up the man page on the box you're working on. Not all installations are the same. Indeed, looking up the crontab on my OI box, 7 doesn't exist. It is 0-6 with 0=Sunday) Other things that are worth checking is the location of some options. On some boxes some options like recursive, come after the file options, while some come before. It drives me nuts, but it is always worth checking the man for the particular box you're working on. Hope that helps. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] BSD Magazine mentions OpenIndiana
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 10:09 +, Jonathan Adams wrote: True, but then Sun did mess up by abandoning Solaris x86 (last release Solaris 8) just at the time that it (x86) really took off, and in realising their mistake started producing Solaris x86 (First release late Solaris 9) ... It caused us problems and headaches because we ran Oracle on one of our servers (although we had some Sparc in house at the time) and Oracle said that they were going to stop supporting x86. We now have only 1 Sparc box left, about 30 x86 Solaris 10 boxes ... and currently 1 OpenIndiana laptop ... Only 1 *Solaris box left here as well - and that's my workstation daily driver. Been meaning to getting around to switching it over to FreeBSD but time has slipped by. I took 148-dev for a short test drive shortly after release and man, OI is so sluggish as to be pretty much unusable as a desktop and I just wrote it off as a dev release, still not ready for prime time. Subsequently Alasdair posted his stable release proposal, which made me think I needed to revisit OI and take a closer look. Then this BSD mag article comes out. Interestingly, the article author acknowledges that it takes forever and a day to boot, but then comments on it performing well. I installed in on an exact clone of my workstation (presently OS-2009.06) and the difference was like night and day. I didn't have time to look into it at all but mayhaps some major x server changes? Graphics card is Radeon RV370, wh/uses radeon driver on the os box, but Gnome being so slow makes me wonder if maybe OI was defaulting to vga? -- Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] BSD Magazine mentions OpenIndiana
My main laptop ran PC-BSD for months. It then ran Solaris 11 Express for a couple of weeks. It worked damn well, except I couldn't stand GNOME. Kept meaning to try the KDE packages out, but I ended up moving to Linux Mint for two reasons: 1) No Bluetooth support - Big for me as my Logitech keyboard mouse are both bluetooth 2) No Chrome/Chromium/Opera. No big, but annoying. -Dustin On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 10:09 +, Jonathan Adams wrote: True, but then Sun did mess up by abandoning Solaris x86 (last release Solaris 8) just at the time that it (x86) really took off, and in realising their mistake started producing Solaris x86 (First release late Solaris 9) ... It caused us problems and headaches because we ran Oracle on one of our servers (although we had some Sparc in house at the time) and Oracle said that they were going to stop supporting x86. We now have only 1 Sparc box left, about 30 x86 Solaris 10 boxes ... and currently 1 OpenIndiana laptop ... Only 1 *Solaris box left here as well - and that's my workstation daily driver. Been meaning to getting around to switching it over to FreeBSD but time has slipped by. I took 148-dev for a short test drive shortly after release and man, OI is so sluggish as to be pretty much unusable as a desktop and I just wrote it off as a dev release, still not ready for prime time. Subsequently Alasdair posted his stable release proposal, which made me think I needed to revisit OI and take a closer look. Then this BSD mag article comes out. Interestingly, the article author acknowledges that it takes forever and a day to boot, but then comments on it performing well. I installed in on an exact clone of my workstation (presently OS-2009.06) and the difference was like night and day. I didn't have time to look into it at all but mayhaps some major x server changes? Graphics card is Radeon RV370, wh/uses radeon driver on the os box, but Gnome being so slow makes me wonder if maybe OI was defaulting to vga? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] BSD Magazine mentions OpenIndiana
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 03:26, Dustin Marquess dmarqu...@gmail.com wrote: My main laptop ran PC-BSD for months. It then ran Solaris 11 Express for a couple of weeks. It worked damn well, except I couldn't stand GNOME. Kept meaning to try the KDE packages out, let me use this as an opportunity to plug KDE (even though many of you will have heard this from me before): I use it exclusively on my main workstation (at home, sadly not my work workstation anymore) and have been since I was running - IIRC - snv b100, now on OI 148, and have been happy with it most of the time, esp. recently. Yes, it's somewhat of a resource hog, and has its bugs, but surpasses Gnome by far where it counts for me (configurability, for one). Michael -- regards/mit freundlichen Grüssen Michael Schuster ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
