Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Java 7
Hello. I'd been working as Sun Campus Ambassador for about two years before Sun eclipse. Sun technologies seemed astonishing. Also we had several SPARC servers in university computer center. However, price for SPARC hardware was unreasonable. Our new platform is x64 IBM blades. What about Solaris? We had big Solaris deployments in 90-th. Later we moved to FreeBSD. We still had two SRSS servers till this year. This year we merged them (dismissed one of the servers). We longer have no SPARCs. (Last SRSS server is amd64-based). I wished for long time to replace SXCE with CentOS on the last server, but its usage doesn't justify this work. It is almost unnecessary now. It was used to provide Internet access for students, but SunRay terminals are ugly thing: they don't support standard protocols, so they were partly replaced by other terminals. About two years ago when we discussed our next platform (there are problems with multipath in FreeBSD on our hardware) Solaris 10 was a choice for critical servers. We could get security updates and some batch updates. And we could use it for free. Now it's not a choice. My chief doesn't want to hear about OpenIndiana - he says that there is no stable release, it is not supported by any major IT company and we can't predict what will happen with this OS in two years. It seemed that everything could change for Solaris when it became open-sourced. But now it is just a highly specialized storage-oriented platform. I think our new students may never hear about it. So be it. It's just a direct consequence of Oracle policy. I'm really happy that successful Solaris technologies live on in Illumos and FreeBSD. But commercial Solaris now is like AIX - one more walking corpse. By closing source of Solaris 11 and stopping aggressive advertisement company in universities Oracle killed future for this OS. But it seems they didn't put their money in Solaris - they bought Java and MySQL, another technologies were not very interesting for them. It's just my story about future of Solaris in our university. Just my two cents. On 08/02/2011 01:43, Gary Driggs wrote: On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: And now that Oracle has close sourced Solaris, I am very sure you will count its users with the fingers of your hands! Single desktop users? Sun Ray users? Server users? Enterprises, small to medium business, or sole proprietorships? Public or private sector? Universities and non-profit orgs? When you say "user," it's inconclusive without qualifying the demographic you're referring to. -- Best regards, Alexander Pyhalov, system administrator of Computer Center of Southern Federal University ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
On 02.08.11 00:30, Guido Berhoerster wrote: * Guido Berhoerster [2011-08-01 22:24]: * Andrey N. Oktyabrski [2011-08-01 21:10]: With these libraries I have the same eror :-( libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Please remove the GCC 4.3.2/3 packages from the opensolaris.org publisher, it is obsolete and totally broken anyway. Oh, after that please install runtime/gcc@4.6.1-0.151 manually, this dependency is missing from the llvm package. We'll hopefully fix that before releasing the first OI SFE build. Thank you. I have removed gcc-4.3 and clang works. The gcc-4.6 was already installed from the sfebuild repository. Does you compile clang without rpath? Is it possible to compile it without gcc libraries dependency? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] exporting rpool with system running
On 31/07/2011, at 10:03 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > [ I apologize if a very similar post from me has already shown up > here. Having some kind of delivery or receive problem] > > > How can I export the rpool with the system up? >From my recent experience, you can boot off the live CD and import the >existing pool without exporting it by using the `import -f` flag. Importing a pool into one system like this removes it off the old system, however the boot pool seems to automatically import -f itself when you reboot back into the real disks instead of the live cd. Not the other pools though, you will need to properly export/import them. -Matt ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Java 7
On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > And now that Oracle has close sourced Solaris, I am very sure you will count > its users with the fingers of your hands! Single desktop users? Sun Ray users? Server users? Enterprises, small to medium business, or sole proprietorships? Public or private sector? Universities and non-profit orgs? When you say "user," it's inconclusive without qualifying the demographic you're referring to. -Gary ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
* Guido Berhoerster [2011-08-01 22:24]: > * Andrey N. Oktyabrski [2011-08-01 21:10]: > > With thid libraries I have the same eror :-( > > libstdc++.so.6 =>/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > > libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > > Please remove the GCC 4.3.2/3 packages from the opensolaris.org > publisher, it is obsolete and totally broken anyway. Oh, after that please install runtime/gcc@4.6.1-0.151 manually, this dependency is missing from the llvm package. We'll hopefully fix that before releasing the first OI SFE build. -- Guido Berhoerster ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
* Andrey N. Oktyabrski [2011-08-01 21:10]: > With thid libraries I have the same eror :-( > libstdc++.so.6 =>/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Please remove the GCC 4.3.2/3 packages from the opensolaris.org publisher, it is obsolete and totally broken anyway. -- Guido Berhoerster ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Java 7
> So I'm not saying I'm against open source (who is?) but I feel that > every business has a choice over which licensing model is most appropriate > for > their products and profitability. And I as a user have the right to like or dislike what a company does. In this case, I strongly believe that what this company does is simply wrong. > before Solaris was ever open sourced. Most of us didn't start using > OpenSolaris because someone tacked "open" in front of its name -- we > chose it for its innovation. It sounds to me as if Oracle has decided to keep The point is that Solaris became, let's say, popular only when it became Open. Only then more people, than the few thousands, got interested in the OS and its innovations. And now that Oracle has close sourced Solaris, I am very sure you will count its users with the fingers of your hands! Finally, when I see something that I feel is wrong I have every right to say what I feel or believe. If you feel I am bashing Oracle, then just delete the message as you had suggested! A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
On 01.08.11 23:07, Andrey N. Oktyabrski wrote: On 01.08.11 22:46, Andrey N. Oktyabrski wrote: What is wrong? $ clang -v ld.so.1: clang: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/bin/clang: symbol _ZNSt8__detail15_List_node_base7_M_hookEPS0_: referenced symbol not found Killed $ ldd /bin/clang ... libstdc++.so.6 => /opt/ipp/pkg/gcc44/lib/libstdc++.so.6 ... libgcc_s.so.1 => /opt/ipp/pkg/gcc44/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Sorry :-) With thid libraries I have the same eror :-( libstdc++.so.6 =>/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
On 01.08.11 22:46, Andrey N. Oktyabrski wrote: What is wrong? $ clang -v ld.so.1: clang: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/bin/clang: symbol _ZNSt8__detail15_List_node_base7_M_hookEPS0_: referenced symbol not found Killed $ ldd /bin/clang ... libstdc++.so.6 => /opt/ipp/pkg/gcc44/lib/libstdc++.so.6 ... libgcc_s.so.1 => /opt/ipp/pkg/gcc44/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Sorry :-) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
What is wrong? $ clang -v ld.so.1: clang: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/bin/clang: symbol _ZNSt8__detail15_List_node_base7_M_hookEPS0_: referenced symbol not found Killed $ ldd /bin/clang libLLVM-3.0svn.so => /usr/lib/libLLVM-3.0svn.so libpthread.so.1 => /lib/libpthread.so.1 libmalloc.so.1 =>/usr/lib/libmalloc.so.1 libstdc++.so.6 =>/opt/ipp/pkg/gcc44/lib/libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4.15) => (version not found) libstdc++.so.6 (CXXABI_1.3) => (version not found) libgcc_s.so.1 => /opt/ipp/pkg/gcc44/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 libc.so.1 => /lib/libc.so.1 libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4.15) => (version not found) libstdc++.so.6 (CXXABI_1.3) => (version not found) libm.so.2 => /lib/libm.so.2 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] exporting rpool with system running
Detach the mirror disk from the old rpool. Import detached drive into new system w/ a new name Copy data --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Harry Putnam wrote: From: Harry Putnam Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] exporting rpool with system running To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 7:14 AM Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk writes: > AFAIK, exporting an rpool while running on it, is quite > impossible. Why would you want to export it? So use livecd then? The reasons to do this have been discussed here at least twice. Thats why I didn't include that information. Thinking about it again after your prompt though I see I should have included at least a brief outline of why. So briefly put: The hardware is giving up the ghost. The machine will start and run for maybe 10-15 minutes and then stops with no log errors evident. Rather than worry with the old outdated equipment I plan to build up a newer hardware setup. Install openindiana on a pair of smallish disks for the new (mirrored) rpool and then import all the old zpools including the oldrpool (renamed) which, unfortunately, also has data I'd like to keep on it. Oldrpool is also on a mirrored pair of disks. So I thought to leave oldrpool exported to facilitate the above approach. Install the disks containing oldrpool and import it using the new setup, then dump all the old rpool OS related stuff and keep the wanted data on a renamed zpool. Better ideas are welcome. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
Hello Ian, * Ian Johnson [2011-07-30 23:12]: > I have been building some SFE packages for myself and can help build for > this repository if needed. I'm using it for my own desktop system as well, > so I'll be sure to report any issues with the packages. So far everything is > working well. help would certainly be welcome. I've put up a list with issues, bugs, and unspecified dependencies in our packages on the wiki at http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/SFE+Package+Review If you're interested in working with us on improving/fixing some of the affected packages please let us know. Thanks, -- Guido Berhoerster ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Edit rpools (export status) from livecd
you can create a USB pen drive booteable from the wiki. You just need to download the USB iso and create it. Is really simple. Best regards On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: > With hardware that has no cdrom or floppy drive... how can I start the > OS from livecd?.. I've never done a network style startup. Just a > brief outline would be very welcome. > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
* Gary Mills [2011-08-01 15:27]: > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 04:54:19PM -0400, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > > > > If you would like to get involved in helping us to build and publish > > packages on the OpenIndiana side, feel free to reply here. > > I have developed a spec file for the ISC DHCP server that can produce > SVR4 packages for Solaris 10 and IPS packages for various Solaris 11 > distributions. It includes a SMF manifest and method, along with man > page patches that describe the SMF facilities. I've tested it on > several platforms. I'm using it now on Solaris 11 Express. It can > coexist with the Sun DHCP server. > > How do I submit this to your package repository? I have the spec file > plus the man page patch files and the SMF files. Please post it to the SFE mailing list (pkgbuild-sfe-de...@lists.sourceforge.net) to have someone commit it to the SVN repo for you. Alternatively, you can also apply for direct access to the repo on that list, note that you'd need a Sourceforge account for that. -- Guido Berhoerster ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana SFE repository: Call for testers
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 04:54:19PM -0400, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > > If you would like to get involved in helping us to build and publish > packages on the OpenIndiana side, feel free to reply here. I have developed a spec file for the ISC DHCP server that can produce SVR4 packages for Solaris 10 and IPS packages for various Solaris 11 distributions. It includes a SMF manifest and method, along with man page patches that describe the SMF facilities. I've tested it on several platforms. I'm using it now on Solaris 11 Express. It can coexist with the Sun DHCP server. How do I submit this to your package repository? I have the spec file plus the man page patch files and the SMF files. -- -Gary Mills--Unix Group--Computer and Network Services- ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Edit rpools (export status) from livecd
With hardware that has no cdrom or floppy drive... how can I start the OS from livecd?.. I've never done a network style startup. Just a brief outline would be very welcome. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] exporting rpool with system running
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk writes: > AFAIK, exporting an rpool while running on it, is quite > impossible. Why would you want to export it? So use livecd then? The reasons to do this have been discussed here at least twice. Thats why I didn't include that information. Thinking about it again after your prompt though I see I should have included at least a brief outline of why. So briefly put: The hardware is giving up the ghost. The machine will start and run for maybe 10-15 minutes and then stops with no log errors evident. Rather than worry with the old outdated equipment I plan to build up a newer hardware setup. Install openindiana on a pair of smallish disks for the new (mirrored) rpool and then import all the old zpools including the oldrpool (renamed) which, unfortunately, also has data I'd like to keep on it. Oldrpool is also on a mirrored pair of disks. So I thought to leave oldrpool exported to facilitate the above approach. Install the disks containing oldrpool and import it using the new setup, then dump all the old rpool OS related stuff and keep the wanted data on a renamed zpool. Better ideas are welcome. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
