Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Apache error on reboot
When deploying Webstack 1.6 on Solaris 10, I found a similar issue with making directories in the /var/run file system, after reboot. To secure the application, I had changed apache2 to run as the webservd user/role (the main process was previously kicked-off as root), and consequently it could no longer create the temporary items under /var/run. My workaround was to add webservd to the sys group, and write a startup script to issue a "chmod g+w" on /var/run. To do this, I: 1) Created a startup script in /etc/init.d (ie. /etc/init.d/chmod_varrun) 2) Created a symbolic link in /etc/rc2.d (ie. /etc/init.d/rc2.d/S99chmod_varrun) back-to the the script in /etc/init.d. Granted, the solution was for Solaris 10. I'm not sure the legacy script will work on an OpenSolaris derivative. Of course, if someone else knows a best practice, or a better place to put this kind-of script which would be relevant to recent builds, I'm all ears (well eyes), as well! -- .\\ark ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Huawei E1550 usb 3g modem
Good day. How can I switch it to the modem mode from mass storage mode? Something same as usb_modeswitch from Linux wanted. Or I must write anything in the /etc/driver_aliases? dmesg fragment: Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 2.0 device (usb12d1,1446) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root hub: device@1, usb_mid9 at bus address 2 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot usba: [ID 349649 kern.info]HUAWEI Technology Mobile Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usb_mid9 is /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1 (usb_mid9) online Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 2.0 interface (usbif12d1,1446.config1.0) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root hub: storage@0, scsa2usb13 at bus address 2 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot usba: [ID 349649 kern.info]HUAWEI Technology Mobile Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] scsa2usb13 is /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@0 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@0 (scsa2usb13) online Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 2.0 interface (usbif12d1,1446.config1.1) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root hub: storage@1, scsa2usb14 at bus address 2 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot usba: [ID 349649 kern.info]HUAWEI Technology Mobile Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] scsa2usb14 is /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@1 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@1 (scsa2usb14) online Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot scsi: [ID 583861 kern.info] sd22 at scsa2usb14: target 0 lun 0 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] sd22 is /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@1/disk@0,0 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot scsi: [ID 583861 kern.info] sd21 at scsa2usb13: target 0 lun 0 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] sd21 is /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@0/disk@0,0 Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@1/disk@0,0 (sd22) online Oct 12 09:22:34 thinkpot genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci17aa,20aa@1a,1/device@1/storage@0/disk@0,0 (sd21) online ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Howto proceed, when new to (openindiana) development
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:04:51AM +0200, Per Sjoholm wrote: > Currently I'm running a centos 5 server. > > I have a spare machine that I have centos6(C6) and OpenIndiana 151a(oi). > This machine is replacing the current server and will have x TB of disk. > Thinking of 4-5 x WD RE4 2Tb/1TB to start with > > It's a mbr boot, NOT a EFI boot. > I'm also testing out GPT label disks. > 2 disks c2 80gb ata(mbr) and on c3 a 320GB sata(GPT). > oi on a c2 p2 > Created a zpool tank with one partition from c2 and c3. > tank kan be seen from C6 and from oi. > > Planning on changing to openindiana, primarily to get ZFS and zones. > > I run web,dns,dhcp, tftp, sendmail, torrents, fax(connected to sendmail), > backup and use a UPS > The new server is also handling backup and storage for clients. > > Does packages exist for > hylafax faxhttp://hylafax.sourceforge.net/ (not same as hylafax.org) > bacula backup http://www.bacula.org/ > nut upshttp://www.networkupstools.org/ > > > This means that I have to build a number of packages. > An idea was to build them as a package's to contribute. > > I'm new to solaris and experienced in computers and systems. > I have been running a development/system verification test lab with redundent > sunos blades. > > I have a lot to learn :) > I believe in just jumping in. > > Suggestion on howto proceed Hello! We have a mailing list for development (oi-dev@...) and an IRC channel (#oi-dev on FreeNode). I strongly suggest that you go into the IRC channel since you'll get help there much more quickly. Regardless, OI is switching to a unified build system, called oi-build - yes, not very creative. There is a wiki page that describes how to get started with it: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Building+with+oi-build Once you get the hang of the system, it's pretty easy to add new packages. Welcome aboard! Jeff. -- UNIX is user-friendly ... it's just selective about who its friends are ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
2011/10/10 Любомир Григоров > >I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a > clue any day. > > It will be just as I said earlier - the userland will consist of the devs > and a bunch of fanboys, no one will know the OS and will just view it as > "another one". This whole conversation and all the emails in it just proves > OI is not ready to be a real OS. Maybe in 10 years after it matures I will > give it another go. Like things stand, it's headed in the OpenBSD path. > I don't have a dog in this hunt, but this remark struck me as odd. I've never considered popularity a sign of the merit of an OS. If I did I'd run everything on Windows. ;) -- David Brodbeck System Administrator, Linguistics University of Washington ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Familiarity, was Re: Help with website
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Gabriel de la Cruz < gabriel.delac...@gmail.com> wrote: > It takes 2 comands to learn smf, swaping from ubuntu to gentoo is damn > harder than reading the Solaris howtos. > I think the biggest problem I had adapting to SMF is it's very opaque compared to what I was used to. It's somewhat reminiscent of the Windows registry that way; you're manipulating a black box database with commands, instead of editing flat files. The second biggest problem I had is I find XML confusing. It's only sort of human-readable. ;) Like anything it gets easier with experience, and there are decided advantages to it; it's just a bit of a jolt for people who are used to nice UNIX-y text scripts that you can just go and look at. It seems more aimed at the convenience of packaging scripts than at being manipulated by actual humans. ;) -- David Brodbeck System Administrator, Linguistics University of Washington ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Question regarding OI148, SI3124 and port multiplier Sil3726
On 10/ 8/11 12:29 AM, Albert Lee wrote: > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Stefano Del Corno > wrote: >> Hi, I'm sorry if the question have been already discussed in the past: >> I'm having an issue with a PCI-e 3132 SATA card and a 3726 port >> multiplier. Digging both the internet and OI discussions, I had the >> feeling that this specific combination is working fine in a few >> different environments. >> >> http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2011-January/002209.html >> http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2011-May/003998.html >> >> I've loaded latest "ide" firmware (B7703) on my 3132 card. I tested >> the pci-e card, the port multiplier and 4 attached sata drives under >> linux: everything was working fine. I did also a couple of "raw" >> performance tests with good results. Given the good experience under >> "another OS" and given that I saw positive reports of SIL port >> multipliers with SIL based SATA boards, I dropped both the card and >> the port multiplier in my OpenIndiana box. >> >> I'm running OI 148 on a SuperMicro X7SPA-H board. It's booting from a >> couple of USB drives (forming a mirrored rpool). Right now I'm using 4 >> out of 6 internal sata connectors to drive a small SSD and 3 1.5tb >> drives. My plan is to add the above mentioned 3124 + 3726 + 4drives to >> my OpenIndiana box to test different protection schemes and run some >> "zpool send" tests. >> >> The issue I'm experiencing is that I can only see the first drive >> (port 0) I've attached to the port multiplier. >> > > I'm not sure where you heard otherwise, but only the ahci driver > supports SATA port multipliers. Maybe from me, at least the links above refer to messages I sent. IIRC PM support was added to si3124.c in snv_111 and it definitely worked for me. I could access three disks connected to a PM. Wondering why everybody said PMs are not supported by si3124 I googled a bit and found this thread: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.storage.general/8073 To summarize: PM support worked from snv_111 up to snv_124. Some change in snv_125 seems to have borken it. Looking at http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/sata/adapters/si3124/si3124.c it seems a lot (if not all) of PM stuff is already there, see eg. 175 * Port Multiplier: Enumeration of port multiplier is handled during the 176 *controller initialization and also during the a hotplug operation. 177 *Current logic takes care of situation where a port multiplier 178 *is hotplugged into a port which had a cdisk connected previously 179 *and vice versa. 3182 static int 3183 si_enumerate_port_multiplier( static int 3334 si_read_portmult_reg( 3454 static int 3455 si_write_portmult_reg( 4009 static void 4010 si_recover_portmult_errors( Without any deeper knowledge I would guess that bringing back PM support should only involve some (minor?) tweaking of the existing code. My sincere apologies to everybody I misled by my postings. I should've done some research before posting. Sorry for that. Attila ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
I will personally apologize for the spam on the nexenta forums.. The other guy quit months ago and it took me awhile to catch on... If you see anymore spam please let me know, right now i feel like i have it under control...Our company is growing at 400% and the forums got overlooked... lk On 10/11/11 2:12 PM, qutic development wrote: On 11.10.2011, at 21:05, Linda Kateley wrote: We have redmine running already and forums are available. The problem with these forums from nexenta is, that there are a lot (!) of spam posts and nobody from nexenta cares about it... Ps.: This rant is not about radiant at all - we are using it too for our projects... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Linda Kateley Global Evangelist and Community Manager (mobile) 612-807-6349 (email) linda.kate...@nexenta.com (skype) lkateley ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
On 11.10.2011, at 21:05, Linda Kateley wrote: > We have redmine running already and forums are available. The problem with these forums from nexenta is, that there are a lot (!) of spam posts and nobody from nexenta cares about it... Ps.: This rant is not about radiant at all - we are using it too for our projects... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
Sorry i so late to this party.. So i was hired by nexenta as community manager. i have illumos as one of my communities. We have redmine running already and forums are available. I have only been at this for a short time, but it appears that most of the distro's come from illumos, and that might be the right location for general solaris admin info. I actually have that on my list of things to do... My first project was going to be around smf. Anyone who would like to help.. I am all for that. Please contact me directly lk On 10/8/11 6:20 PM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: So if you are still open to helping, that makes two persons who are ready to help with a forum-type setting. -- Fini D. http://LinuxBSDos.com Keep in mind that the current wiki is outdated and disorganized. I offered to help with it, but got no reply and still have no wiki account. -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Linda Kateley Global Evangelist and Community Manager (mobile) 612-807-6349 (email) linda.kate...@nexenta.com (skype) lkateley ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI and GNU grep
* Richard Jones [2011-10-11 18:42]: > I'm probably being really thick, but what's going on here? > >set | grep -i grep >$ which grep >/usr/gnu/bin/grep >$ echo foo | grep '[A-Z]' >foo > > I get the expected behaviour on linux boxes with GNU grep. That this works in any locale in Linux a GNUism, you cannot rely on the portability of such a contruct in anything but the POSIX locale (see also http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap09.html#tag_09_03_05) because ranges inside bracket expressions depend on the order of characters in a locale. If you want it to work the way you expected it to work set LC_ALL=C or LC_COLLATE=C. -- Guido Berhoerster ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI and GNU grep
On 10/11/11 09:42 AM, Richard Jones wrote: I'm probably being really thick, but what's going on here? set | grep -i grep $ which grep /usr/gnu/bin/grep $ echo foo | grep '[A-Z]' foo I get the expected behaviour on linux boxes with GNU grep. Run "locale" to see what locale you are running in: $ echo foo | env LANG='C' /usr/gnu/bin/grep '[A-Z]' $ echo foo | env LANG='en_US.UTF-8' /usr/gnu/bin/grep '[A-Z]' foo The Solaris UTF-8 locales use case insensitive ordering, so [A-Z] expands to A, a, B, b, C, c, ... Y, y, Z. The C locale uses ASCII value ordering, so [A-Z] expands to A, B, C, ... Y, Z. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI and GNU grep
jadams@jadlaptop:~$ set | grep -i grep jadams@jadlaptop:~$ which grep /usr/bin/grep jadams@jadlaptop:~$ echo foo | grep '[A-Z]' jadams@jadlaptop:~$ echo $PATH /usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/tools/bin:/usr/gnu/bin jadams@jadlaptop:~$ On 11 October 2011 17:42, Richard Jones wrote: > I'm probably being really thick, but what's going on here? > > set | grep -i grep > $ which grep > /usr/gnu/bin/grep > $ echo foo | grep '[A-Z]' > foo > > I get the expected behaviour on linux boxes with GNU grep. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > -- > Richard Jones +44 7843 588 599 > "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur" > Privacy notice: jonze.com/privacy.html > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] OI and GNU grep
I'm probably being really thick, but what's going on here? set | grep -i grep $ which grep /usr/gnu/bin/grep $ echo foo | grep '[A-Z]' foo I get the expected behaviour on linux boxes with GNU grep. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Jones +44 7843 588 599 "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur" Privacy notice: jonze.com/privacy.html ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Apache error on reboot
I've got a machine that I've been upgrading since about snv_64ish. Since upgrading to OpenIndiana (and possibly slightly before) apache doesn't come up after a reboot. Since I don't reboot this very much I keep forgetting about this problem. I've having frequent power failures lately which have caused me to shut down my servers and bring them up later so I've been reminded again. For some reason I end up with a permission error when it's trying to create the /var/run/apache2/2.2 directory. The offending line is in the apachectl script: mkdir -p /var/run/apache2/2.2 Which makes sense if this script is not being as root since "ls -l /var/run" is: drwxr-xr-x 18 root sys 3503 2011-10-10 18:29 /var/run What needs to be fixed on my apache installation so I don't need to fix it every boot? Regards, Gary ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Zones advice
Thanks for the advice. The zones directory was located on a mirrored pool in scsi extension cabinet on channel B. Moved the zones to drives on channel A and the problem seems to have disappeared. Must be a problem with the extension cable - I guess. But I do appreciate the write back. On 10/11/11 10:18 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: I have seen that error when /etc/zones was on shared storage... had a customer try to run it on qfs. where is your /etc/zones directory? lk On 10/10/11 8:53 PM, l...@lwordshop.com wrote: Trying to found out the cause for this error when I start the zonecfg command. zonecfg: Could not access zone configuration store: Miscellaneous file system error I know it is a bit vague - but I was wondering if anyone has any advice on which direction to research. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana-discuss Digest: gibberish post
I can relate - my daughter has been playing with phones since she was a few months old - she's 4 now. :) I can't speak for the others, but I found your message a nice distraction to the long-running forum v list thread that's been going on. On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Butch Whitby wrote: > Sorry about the gibberish message. Apparently my two year old had my > blackberry at some point. > Sent from my BlackBerry ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Zones advice
I have seen that error when /etc/zones was on shared storage... had a customer try to run it on qfs. where is your /etc/zones directory? lk On 10/10/11 8:53 PM, l...@lwordshop.com wrote: Trying to found out the cause for this error when I start the zonecfg command. zonecfg: Could not access zone configuration store: Miscellaneous file system error I know it is a bit vague - but I was wondering if anyone has any advice on which direction to research. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Linda Kateley Global Evangelist and Community Manager (mobile) 612-807-6349 (email) linda.kate...@nexenta.com (skype) lkateley ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
+1 On 11 October 2011 15:32, Ken Gunderson wrote: > Hello Peter: > > I think your accusations of bikeshedding are unfounded and unkind. Many > stayed out of this discussion until noting that a few oi-dev regulars > like Alasdair, jeffpc, drlou, herzen, etc. expressed some interest in > exploring possibility of forums. Such being the case, it seems more > than appropriate for further discussion to occur on oi-discuss - note > the word following the hyphen there - where a broader cross section of > oi users might have the opportunity to weigh in. > > I have been involved in various projects over the years that that > utilized mlm long before forums were an option. Yet when some, e.g. > FreeBSD, finally acknowledged the changing times the issue was discussed > before anyone ran out and launched forums.freebsd.org. To the best of > my knowledge I have _never_ used these forums, but I don't bitch about > them being available for others. Or that others talked about it at some > length before moving forward with rolling them out. > > Yes, the forum issue has come up before in oi, but to my awareness, not > for a little while now, and not ever discussed in any depth. Yeah, us > old dogs have seen these arguments before and may have a tendency to > sigh and shake our heads. But that doesn't make them irrelevant to the > discussion at hand. > > People disagreeing, discussing, etc. on oi-discuss is not a bad thing. > Yes, a couple people got a bit heated and sunk to some mild name > calling, but this was nothing even close to what happens from time to > time on even high profile projects. Those so easily offended need to > grow thicker skin. Maybe never move out from Mommy's house. Or > whatever. > > My $0.02 > > Peace-- > > -- > Regards-- Ken Gunderson > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:16 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber > wrote: > > > > And this continues to miss the point. > ... > >but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > > there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetched about > > earlier > > Which point are you missing? You rc.local thing is trivially easy > to address, there are well known and obvious ways to do it, and > several people pointed out how you could do so in a few seconds. > > There are lots of things in OI that need fixing, seeing people making > up non-existent problems and bikeshedding about forums vs smtp > and users vs developers and OS choices is so frustrating. Hello Peter: I think your accusations of bikeshedding are unfounded and unkind. Many stayed out of this discussion until noting that a few oi-dev regulars like Alasdair, jeffpc, drlou, herzen, etc. expressed some interest in exploring possibility of forums. Such being the case, it seems more than appropriate for further discussion to occur on oi-discuss - note the word following the hyphen there - where a broader cross section of oi users might have the opportunity to weigh in. I have been involved in various projects over the years that that utilized mlm long before forums were an option. Yet when some, e.g. FreeBSD, finally acknowledged the changing times the issue was discussed before anyone ran out and launched forums.freebsd.org. To the best of my knowledge I have _never_ used these forums, but I don't bitch about them being available for others. Or that others talked about it at some length before moving forward with rolling them out. Yes, the forum issue has come up before in oi, but to my awareness, not for a little while now, and not ever discussed in any depth. Yeah, us old dogs have seen these arguments before and may have a tendency to sigh and shake our heads. But that doesn't make them irrelevant to the discussion at hand. People disagreeing, discussing, etc. on oi-discuss is not a bad thing. Yes, a couple people got a bit heated and sunk to some mild name calling, but this was nothing even close to what happens from time to time on even high profile projects. Those so easily offended need to grow thicker skin. Maybe never move out from Mommy's house. Or whatever. My $0.02 Peace-- -- Regards-- Ken Gunderson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Customized startup commands?
I think I've converged on a solution. Rather than some start-up hack, I'm going to put the cleanup command at the beginning of each script. Reason: apparently even just hot-plugging a sata drive in and unplugging it caused some turds to be left in the device space. Does anyone know why this happens? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
I'm really trying to avoid getting back into a flamefest, but I detest it when people are intellectually dishonst (which are you being by quoting part of my message out of context.) Sad... -Original Message- From: Peter Tribble [mailto:peter.trib...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:16 AM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > And this continues to miss the point. ... >but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetched about > earlier Which point are you missing? You rc.local thing is trivially easy to address, there are well known and obvious ways to do it, and several people pointed out how you could do so in a few seconds. There are lots of things in OI that need fixing, seeing people making up non-existent problems and bikeshedding about forums vs smtp and users vs developers and OS choices is so frustrating. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana-discuss Digest: gibberish post
Sorry about the gibberish message. Apparently my two year old had my blackberry at some point. Sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:15:34 To: Reply-To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: OpenIndiana-discuss Digest, Vol 15, Issue 25 Send OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list submissions to openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org You can reach the person managing the list at openindiana-discuss-ow...@openindiana.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OpenIndiana-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help with website (Alasdair Lumsden) 2. Re: Help with website (Richard L. Hamilton) 3. Re: Help with website (Dan Swartzendruber) 4. A (Butch Whitby) 5. Re: A (Dan Swartzendruber) 6. Re: Help with website (Alasdair Lumsden) 7. Re: Help with website (Gregory Youngblood) 8. Re: A (Gregory Youngblood) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:56:04 +0100 From: Alasdair Lumsden To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <4e939424.3080...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi All, Please, for the sake of everybody's sanity, can people chill out and stop arguing. This thread started as someone wanting to volunteer to help the project, and it has descended into a flame fest. I'd kindly ask that people respect the rules of the mailing list and stop flaming each other. Remember this is a public forum, and when people google your name, they will find these posts; they are preserved forever. Think before hitting the send button. Regards, Alasdair -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:56:16 -0400 From: "Richard L. Hamilton" To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <3e68a0c9-3487-4ee0-be23-8e751b0a7...@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Richard, you continue to miss the point. This isn't about you (OS) vs me > (linux). I would wager that for every opensolaris user there are at least > 10 linux users. Getting them to use OS (which is better in many ways, > granted), making the environment more familiar is essential, IMO. You are > of course, free to disagree. Just saying, I've been through this before? That assumes that there's a benefit of converting people from Linux to OS/OI. I see no benefit for OS/OI users (numbers of users rather than clue-bringers don't build a community) nor for that matter, for the Linux users, in promoting that conversion on terms that displace those already there to make room for those coming over. Unless of course you really think that OS/OI is well short of the minimum viable number. I don't happen to think that's the case, but I'll admit I'm biased towards smaller numbers anyway, since the majority is nothing to brag about (look at a bell curve sometime). I'd go so far as to say why not take some existing migration guide and flesh it out. Or improve coexistence, if a migration guide would impose too much of a burden on the newcomers. Or whatever. But don't expect those already here to take in the shorts for the sake of attracting newcomers. It's exactly like the border debate. My view is that those here should not have to accommodate themselves to new arrivals. Let them assimilate or go back. We may need some immigrants?on _our_ terms, but if we need them on _their_ terms, we're already dead as a distinct community. -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:59:51 -0400 From: "Dan Swartzendruber" To: "'Discussion list for OpenIndiana'" Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alasdair, thank you. I apologize for my intemperate language. The frustration at people's apparent inability to get the point I was trying to make doesn't justify it. -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:12 + From: "Butch Whitby" To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A Message-ID: <420246489-1318294993-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-675200187-@b14.c31.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Jjjk KkKkik De Sent from my BlackBerry -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:04:14 -0400 From: "Dan Swartzendruber" To: "'Discussion list for OpenIndia
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
On 10/11/2011 6:10 AM, Dmitry Kozhinov wrote: > doesn't "pull" let them manage their own time better? Yes. This is why my vote is for forum, not mailing list. Dmitry. I've stayed out of this thread thus far, and probably will going forward, but I vastly prefer mail lists and I think the above is a non-argument. Forums do not allow better time management by any objective means. In a mail list, I am equally capable of sending all of the mail list to a folder, or not, threaded in my mail reader, or not, as I choose, and I can read them whenever I want. If I see a topic pop up that interests me, I can read it then, or not. I can make agile changes in my interests easily. Forums have one major failing for me: Out of sight is out of mind. If I have to go to a website, login (maybe it has cookies, maybe it doesn't; maybe it does and I don't want the website to remember my password!) then find the thread or topic where I left off, which will take a few clicks or more depending upon how long it has been. Mail messages are all right there, and I only need to go to the most recent undeleted or unread one with less effort. But, there is also a tradeoff in volume. If a mail list starts receiving 100s of messages a day it becomes less useful and it might as well be a forum. Linux kernel development lists come to mind. Those would be more useful as a forum. There are very few topics in there that actually might interest me and the flood of mail makes it a chore. OI is a smallish mail list (aside from this thread!) so managing the (normally) 20 messages that come in in a day is easier in my inbox. thresholds matter. $.02 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Question regarding OI148, SI3124 and port multiplier Sil3726
On 08/10/2011, at 8:29 AM, Albert Lee wrote: > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Stefano Del Corno > wrote: >> Hi, I'm sorry if the question have been already discussed in the past: >> I'm having an issue with a PCI-e 3132 SATA card and a 3726 port >> multiplier. Digging both the internet and OI discussions, I had the >> feeling that this specific combination is working fine in a few >> different environments. >> >> http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2011-January/002209.html >> http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2011-May/003998.html >> >> I've loaded latest "ide" firmware (B7703) on my 3132 card. I tested >> the pci-e card, the port multiplier and 4 attached sata drives under >> linux: everything was working fine. I did also a couple of "raw" >> performance tests with good results. Given the good experience under >> "another OS" and given that I saw positive reports of SIL port >> multipliers with SIL based SATA boards, I dropped both the card and >> the port multiplier in my OpenIndiana box. >> >> I'm running OI 148 on a SuperMicro X7SPA-H board. It's booting from a >> couple of USB drives (forming a mirrored rpool). Right now I'm using 4 >> out of 6 internal sata connectors to drive a small SSD and 3 1.5tb >> drives. My plan is to add the above mentioned 3124 + 3726 + 4drives to >> my OpenIndiana box to test different protection schemes and run some >> "zpool send" tests. >> >> The issue I'm experiencing is that I can only see the first drive >> (port 0) I've attached to the port multiplier. >> > > I'm not sure where you heard otherwise, but only the ahci driver > supports SATA port multipliers. > > -Albert I have a Si3124 4 port SATA card, and could only get it to work with the pic-ide drivers. It also doesn't support hot plugging / reconfiguration via cfgadm. Matt. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
> doesn't "pull" let them manage their own time better? Yes. This is why my vote is for forum, not mailing list. Dmitry. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A
The only email to be successfully delivered by blackberry and it was an unfortunate trouser accident. Why oh why doesn't blackberry have auto key lock? On Oct 11, 2011 2:26 AM, "Dan Swartzendruber" wrote: > LOL > > -Original Message- > From: Gregory Youngblood [mailto:greg...@youngblood.me] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:16 PM > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A > > Pocket-emailing? > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > > Tourette's? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Butch Whitby [mailto:jwhit...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:03 PM > > To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A > > > > Jjjk > > > > > > KkKkik > > > > De > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry > > > > ___ > > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > > > > > ___ > > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > And this continues to miss the point. ... >but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetched about > earlier Which point are you missing? You rc.local thing is trivially easy to address, there are well known and obvious ways to do it, and several people pointed out how you could do so in a few seconds. There are lots of things in OI that need fixing, seeing people making up non-existent problems and bikeshedding about forums vs smtp and users vs developers and OS choices is so frustrating. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Howto proceed, when new to (openindiana) development
Currently I'm running a centos 5 server. I have a spare machine that I have centos6(C6) and OpenIndiana 151a(oi). This machine is replacing the current server and will have x TB of disk. Thinking of 4-5 x WD RE4 2Tb/1TB to start with It's a mbr boot, NOT a EFI boot. I'm also testing out GPT label disks. 2 disks c2 80gb ata(mbr) and on c3 a 320GB sata(GPT). oi on a c2 p2 Created a zpool tank with one partition from c2 and c3. tank kan be seen from C6 and from oi. Planning on changing to openindiana, primarily to get ZFS and zones. I run web,dns,dhcp, tftp, sendmail, torrents, fax(connected to sendmail), backup and use a UPS The new server is also handling backup and storage for clients. Does packages exist for hylafax faxhttp://hylafax.sourceforge.net/ (not same as hylafax.org) bacula backup http://www.bacula.org/ nut upshttp://www.networkupstools.org/ This means that I have to build a number of packages. An idea was to build them as a package's to contribute. I'm new to solaris and experienced in computers and systems. I have been running a development/system verification test lab with redundent sunos blades. I have a lot to learn :) I believe in just jumping in. Suggestion on howto proceed -- Per Sjöholm Spanga, Stockholm, Sweden ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Familiarity, was Re: Help with website
It takes 2 comands to learn smf, swaping from ubuntu to gentoo is damn harder than reading the Solaris howtos. I think adoption wont be such a problem in terms of usability differences with linux, first of all we should start by letting people notice that we are not dead as they think we are. Solaris is very well designed in terms of usability, I would rather make a very fast to read manual. Br Gab On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > >> >> Gregory, I can second that. I have a friend who is very experienced in >> Linux and BSD and I was mentioning at dinner how I was using a SAN appliance >> that was based on ZFS, and started extolling its virtues. He asked me >> (totally seriously) "ZFS is still around? I thought all that stuff died >> when Oracle bought Sun?" This is the barrier we have to deal with. Somehow >> because I grumbled about commands being somewhat different, I got branded as >> "one of them", when my original point was that we need to get people using >> OI (or any other flavor for that matter), or it will end up a fringe system, >> and ultimately die. The technical merits don't matter in a lot of ways, >> when perception comes into it (for you old fogies, think Betamax vs VHS - >> think which was the better implementation, and which one ended up winning >> the marketing battle...) I've had this same fight some years back before >> linux had plug and play desktop support - I tried to use some random distro >> and was having incredible hassles getting X to work right. I was on some >> forum or other, and people were telling me what juju I had to perform on >> various config files, and when I made the innocent remark that "with >> windows, all I have to do is boot it, and it comes up with a usable >> desktop!", and was flamed into the next county by the residents of that >> forum. I really like ZFS, and like I said, that was my only motivation in >> getting involved in OI (I have enough stuff on my plate without learning yet >> another flavor of Unix, but one even farther away than Linux variations or >> even *BSD). That said, I've had no real choice if I want ZFS, so I'm >> learning the ropes. I will say that the previous exchange I had here about >> the absense of /etc/rc.local was a perfect example (albeit a minor one) of >> the point I was thinking of. Yes, in pretty much any of the flavors of Unix >> using the /etc/init.d script system, you can get this to work. Every Linux >> distro I've used in the last N years provides the /etc/rc.local method for >> those corner cases that don't go anywhere else, yet not one person here said >> "yeah, you know, that IS a useful thing to have, maybe we should consider >> it". > > While it may be useful, it was eliminated (SunOS 4.x used to have it) for > what seemed good reasons at the time. Separate rc files > (/etc/rc[S0123].d/[SK]*, with links to /etc/init.d) can be replaced rather > than edited, which is more maintainable (think patches, etc). SMF largely > replaced rc files because SMF can track stuff and restart it if it dies. > etc. The differences aren't arbitrary, they're there for a _reason_. > > Now, someone could always add an /etc/rc3.d/S999rc_local, which simply runs > /etc/rc.local if it exists. I could do that, so could you. Looks just like > > #! /bin/sh > > if [ start = "$1" -a -f /etc/rc.local ] > then > sh /etc/rc.local > fi > > Easy, right? I don't mind that…much…except it does encourage throwing all > the "corner cases that don't go anywhere else" into one big sloppy file, the > whole reason it was gotten rid of (along with /usr/local) in the first place. > > You would perhaps view familiarity as more important. Having seen people > come and go, and continuity of experience lost, I'd prefer maintainability, > and something that could be put under configuration control (think CFengine > (open source) or Opsware (commercial), or similar). Separate rc files, or > for that matter SMF methods and manifests, lend themselves to that better > than does a single optional rc.local file; or at least, that's AFAIK among > the reasons rc.local was done away with. > > Again, one could do both; include the hook for rc.local but publicize that it > was deprecated and that there were drawbacks to using it in certain > circumstances. > > Similar considerations may apply to a number (by no means all) of other > differences. > > You may find the least resistance to something that's a clean superset of > traditional Solaris - won't break anything those already used to it are > depending on, and the most to that which is incompatible (can only do it one > way or the other, but neither tool will handle both ways). > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___
