Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Revive retired disks with data sets on them with vitual OI

2012-03-30 Thread Harry Putnam
Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com writes:

 Probably not the most reliable, but definitely the easiest, way to get
 access to your data is to use USB disks because VirtualBox allows
 direct USB passthrough.
 My boss uses OpenSolaris with USB drives to get access to the ZFS pool
 running on his Linux system.

[...]

 There are actually 3 pair of disks that were set up in mirrored
 zpools: 2 @ 500 gb (Older IDE)
        2 @ 500 gb (oldish sata)
        2 @ 750 gb (slightly newer sata)


[...]

Richard Elling richard.ell...@richardelling.com writes:

 On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:

 Probably not the most reliable, but definitely the easiest, way to get
 access to your data is to use USB disks because VirtualBox allows
 direct USB passthrough.
 My boss uses OpenSolaris with USB drives to get access to the ZFS pool
 running on his Linux system.

 USB drives tend to ignore cache flush commands, which can appear as
 unreliable disks. Shouldn't be much of a problem if you rarely plug them.

Is the kind of size (3.5 TB) and scale mentioned above available in usb drives?
Any chance of mirrored pairs as described?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Dependency problem on pkg:/service/network/dns/bind

2012-03-30 Thread Chris Ridd
We're running our server quite happily on OI, currently on 
entire@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.1

Trying to install service/network/dns/bind always creates a new BE. Poking 
around the dependencies I see it depends on pkgs from 0.151.1.2!

pkg contents -m -r service/network/dns/bind@9.6.2.2,5.11-0.151.1 | egrep 
'^depend'
depend fmri=consolidation/sfw/sfw-incorporation type=require
depend fmri=network/dns/bind@9.6.2.2-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=library/security/openssl@0.9.8.15-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=system/library@0.5.11-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=library/libxml2@2.7.6-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=library/zlib@1.2.3-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=system/library/math@0.5.11-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=SUNWcs@0.5.11-0.151.1 type=require
depend fmri=consolidation/sfw/sfw-incorporation type=require
depend fmri=network/dns/bind@9.6.2.2-0.151.1.2 type=require
depend fmri=library/security/openssl@0.9.8.15-0.151.1.2 type=require
depend fmri=system/library@0.5.11-0.151.1.2 type=require
depend fmri=library/libxml2@2.7.6-0.151.1.2 type=require
depend fmri=library/zlib@1.2.3-0.151.1.2 type=require
depend fmri=system/library/math@0.5.11-0.151.1.2 type=require
depend fmri=SUNWcs@0.5.11-0.151.1.2 type=require

(everything from sfw-incorporation down)

I think that makes it impossible to install without essentially updating the 
whole machine to 0.151.1.2 and rebooting. That seems unreasonable just to get 
named!

Am I reading this wrong? Is there a workaround?

Chris

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Dependency problem on pkg:/service/network/dns/bind

2012-03-30 Thread Jan Owoc
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Chris Ridd chrisr...@mac.com wrote:
 We're running our server quite happily on OI, currently on 
 entire@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.1

 Trying to install service/network/dns/bind always creates a new BE. Poking 
 around the dependencies I see it depends on pkgs from 0.151.1.2!

The original repository for 0.151 was in /dev. When the next prestable
came out, packages were put in /prestable, so that people like you
could either stay with their current system and fetch things from
/dev, or change their repository to point to /prestable and update
their system.

For some reason, a decision was made to put the next prestable back
in /dev. Since that is where your repository is pointing, it will try
to get the most recent version of bind from there. I would suppose
that to ease testing all packages/dependencies must be at a specific
release version (not sure if anything has actually changed in every
single package from bind through zlib).


 Am I reading this wrong? Is there a workaround?

I'm not sure if the repository got overwritten, or simply newer
packages got added without removing the old ones. If the latter, there
may be a way to force the installation of the older version of bind,
the one corresponding to the rest of the system. (Or if there still
exists a mirror of the original repository somewhere...)


Jan

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Dependency problem on pkg:/service/network/dns/bind

2012-03-30 Thread Chris Ridd

On 30 Mar 2012, at 15:19, Jan Owoc wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Chris Ridd chrisr...@mac.com wrote:
 We're running our server quite happily on OI, currently on 
 entire@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.1
 
 Trying to install service/network/dns/bind always creates a new BE. Poking 
 around the dependencies I see it depends on pkgs from 0.151.1.2!
 
 The original repository for 0.151 was in /dev. When the next prestable

Yes, my publisher's origin is still pkg.openindiana.org/dev.

 came out, packages were put in /prestable, so that people like you
 could either stay with their current system and fetch things from
 /dev, or change their repository to point to /prestable and update
 their system.
 
 For some reason, a decision was made to put the next prestable back
 in /dev. Since that is where your repository is pointing, it will try
 to get the most recent version of bind from there. I would suppose
 that to ease testing all packages/dependencies must be at a specific
 release version (not sure if anything has actually changed in every
 single package from bind through zlib).

Rewriting history in a repository seems like a bad idea!

 Am I reading this wrong? Is there a workaround?
 
 I'm not sure if the repository got overwritten, or simply newer
 packages got added without removing the old ones. If the latter, there
 may be a way to force the installation of the older version of bind,
 the one corresponding to the rest of the system. (Or if there still
 exists a mirror of the original repository somewhere...)

Updating to 0.151.1.2 from /dev and rebooting is an option. Or should I be 
changing my publisher to something more reliable?

Chris

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Revive retired disks with data sets on them with vitual OI

2012-03-30 Thread Richard Elling

On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
 
 Richard Elling richard.ell...@richardelling.com writes:
 
 On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:
 
 Probably not the most reliable, but definitely the easiest, way to get
 access to your data is to use USB disks because VirtualBox allows
 direct USB passthrough.
 My boss uses OpenSolaris with USB drives to get access to the ZFS pool
 running on his Linux system.
 
 USB drives tend to ignore cache flush commands, which can appear as
 unreliable disks. Shouldn't be much of a problem if you rarely plug them.
 
 Is the kind of size (3.5 TB) and scale mentioned above available in usb 
 drives?
 Any chance of mirrored pairs as described?

Something like:
http://sharecenter.dlink.com/ShareCenter_Meet_The_Family

Kinda makes DIY look expensive.
 -- richard

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+1-760-896-4422



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Dependency problem on pkg:/service/network/dns/bind

2012-03-30 Thread Jon Tibble

On 30/03/2012 16:08, Jan Owoc wrote:

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Chris Riddchrisr...@mac.com  wrote:

Am I reading this wrong? Is there a workaround?


I'm not sure if the repository got overwritten, or simply newer
packages got added without removing the old ones. If the latter, there
may be a way to force the installation of the older version of bind,
the one corresponding to the rest of the system. (Or if there still
exists a mirror of the original repository somewhere...)


Updating to 0.151.1.2 from /dev and rebooting is an option. Or should I be 
changing my publisher to something more reliable?


There is (currently) no stable release of OI. Your choices are to
stay with whatever system you happened to install (it works!), or
update to the most recent pre-stable release. I'm unable to find
anything newer/more stable than this:
http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151a_prestable1+Release+Notes

After refreshing the repositories with pkg refresh --full, you may
or may not need to first update pkg (pkg install -v
pkg:/package/pkg) before doing the full system upgrade (I did when
going from 151a to 151a-pre0).

Jan

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There was no history rewriting (whatever that is supposed to mean), 
later versions are added to the repo with nothing being taken away.

The /dev repo is the most reliable for OI currently.

If you don't want to update then use:

pkg install blah@0.5.11-0.151.1.1

JT

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Dependency problem on pkg:/service/network/dns/bind

2012-03-30 Thread Chris Ridd
On 30 Mar 2012, at 19:17, Jon Tibble me...@btinternet.com wrote:

 There was no history rewriting (whatever that is supposed to mean),

That is just a guess as to what happened to apparently break these 
dependencies. Forget this bit - do you think the deps on the pkg I mentioned 
are right? How can a .151.1 package depend on a .151.1.2 package?

 If you don't want to update then use:
 
 pkg install blah@0.5.11-0.151.1.1

I tried that before and it doesn't work for the package I mentioned (.151.1) 
because it seems to depend on things with later build numbers. See the list of 
deps I posted originally. I'll run a pkg install -nv if you'd like...

Chris
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