[OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
I've been trying to find what powerloss protected SSDs are available in 
sweden.


The only ones I can find that are generally available are Samsung 843 
and Intel S3500. The Intel S3500 costs about 1300 SEK (145 €??) each at 
120GB.

The Seagates are NOT available anywhere that I can see.
Samsung 843 are available from two resellers only, and are only very 
slightly more expensive than the S3500 at 120GB.


The Intel S3700 is also available but is twice the price, at least.

What say you, crowd, to these possibilities? Samsung or Intel? They are 
both so expensive that I hesitate to mirror them.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Compiling OpenOffice4

2014-02-10 Thread Hans J. Albertsson

Has this moved forward yet?

On 2014-02-06 18:51, carl brunning wrote:

If no one else will hosts it then yes I will put it on my website and give a 
link to it for other till a better place for it happens

Thank
Carl


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On Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:14 PM, carl brunning 
ca...@flamewarestudios.com wrote:

Hay that great

One question were I find and download GCC 4.8.2




Provided one can host it, I can contribute a package.

A.S.

  
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Smart Array driver

2014-02-10 Thread Stefan Müller-Wilken
Looking at  https://www.illumos.org/issues/3881 and 
http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182190/2013/09/sort/time_rev/page/1/entry/3:14/
 I get the impression, the cpqary3 driver should be already available.

Could anyone help getting hold of the binaries?

Cheers
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Schweiss, Chip
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Hans J. Albertsson 
hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se wrote:

 Samsung 843




The 843 while called and enterprise SSD, does not have capacitors for power
loss protection.

http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-843/2/
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Doug Hughes
Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a bit
more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the S3700 or S3500
but they are a LOT less expensive.



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Schweiss, Chip c...@innovates.com wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Hans J. Albertsson 
 hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se wrote:

  Samsung 843




 The 843 while called and enterprise SSD, does not have capacitors for power
 loss protection.

 http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-843/2/
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Jim Klimov

On 2014-02-10 22:50, Doug Hughes wrote:

Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a bit
more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the S3700 or S3500
but they are a LOT less expensive.


Also, read at least the official specs - the S3500 seems a lot less 
reliable than S3700 (which is positioned to be very sturdy at least

for an SSD, and would likely be out of fashion long before it breaks).

As for the disks I have - trust the later letter which is the shopping
spec we used ;) I guess I mixed up the two S-vendors somehow :)

//Jim


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Volker A. Brandt
 Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a
 bit more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the
 S3700 or S3500 but they are a LOT less expensive.

This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP N54L
microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server needs
mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Brogyányi József

2014.02.09. 22:19 keltezéssel, Jim Klimov írta:

2*120Gb Samsung Pro SSDs (with powerloss
protection, formatted to use 100Gb for mirrored rpool/mirrored
zil/striped l2arc since their 100Gb sub-model has much higher
reliability and speed - but is not on sale here).

Jim

Only one question about the SSD usage. How do I know the SSD status?
You know the SSD capacity is decreasing. When have to replace it?
Regards
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Schweiss, Chip
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:


 This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP N54L
 microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server needs
 mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)


I tend to agree with this.   My approach is to slice a Samsung 840 Pro,
which holds up performance really well and do an aggressive backup cycle to
my disk pool.

Turn off sync, and forget about a ZIL unless your running a database.
Even still just do a snapshot policy so you have an acceptable fallback
point if power loss does bite you.

ZFS is consistent even with sync off.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Doug Hughes
true, Volker..

Just to note though, the 320s have no battery, but they do have enough
capacitor to flush anything from the small ram into flash on power outage.



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:

  Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a
  bit more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the
  S3700 or S3500 but they are a LOT less expensive.

 This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP N54L
 microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server needs
 mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)


 Regards -- Volker
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Doug Hughes
smartctl -x reports the wear on decent ones (read: you shouldn't consider
any that doesn't have this feature). When it gets close to 0, or you see a
lot of errors, it's time to replace it.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Brogyányi József bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014.02.09. 22:19 keltezéssel, Jim Klimov írta:

  2*120Gb Samsung Pro SSDs (with powerloss
 protection, formatted to use 100Gb for mirrored rpool/mirrored
 zil/striped l2arc since their 100Gb sub-model has much higher
 reliability and speed - but is not on sale here).

 Jim

 Only one question about the SSD usage. How do I know the SSD status?
 You know the SSD capacity is decreasing. When have to replace it?
 Regards
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Ben Taylor
Surprised someone hasn't developed a SATA power cable with small battery
Passthrough for this exact application.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote:

 true, Volker..

 Just to note though, the 320s have no battery, but they do have enough
 capacitor to flush anything from the small ram into flash on power outage.



 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:

   Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a
   bit more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the
   S3700 or S3500 but they are a LOT less expensive.
 
  This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP N54L
  microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server needs
  mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)
 
 
  Regards -- Volker
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Doug Hughes
capacitors are better. Batteries wear out and are difficult to have the
correct monitoring for replacement.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Ben Taylor bentaylor.sol...@gmail.comwrote:

 Surprised someone hasn't developed a SATA power cable with small battery
 Passthrough for this exact application.


 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote:

  true, Volker..
 
  Just to note though, the 320s have no battery, but they do have enough
  capacitor to flush anything from the small ram into flash on power
 outage.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:
 
Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a
bit more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the
S3700 or S3500 but they are a LOT less expensive.
  
   This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP N54L
   microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server needs
   mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)
  
  
   Regards -- Volker
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 Solaris
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Ben Taylor
While I agree that monitoring is good, and batteries wear out, and this is
a problem in production environments.  For a hobbyist, where I can take
down my system without permission from my boss or business unit, it is
really that bad of an idea?


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote:

 capacitors are better. Batteries wear out and are difficult to have the
 correct monitoring for replacement.


 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Ben Taylor bentaylor.sol...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Surprised someone hasn't developed a SATA power cable with small battery
  Passthrough for this exact application.
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote:
 
   true, Volker..
  
   Just to note though, the 320s have no battery, but they do have enough
   capacitor to flush anything from the small ram into flash on power
  outage.
  
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:
  
 Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this, for a
 bit more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the
 S3700 or S3500 but they are a LOT less expensive.
   
This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP N54L
microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server
 needs
mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)
   
   
Regards -- Volker
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
Wouldn't a UPS with monitoring be a better alternative? Allow the server to
power down safely on UPS when it detects a power lost state. Most UPSes I
know have either serial or USB monitoring, sometimes even Ethernet on
higher-end models (although I've never looked at the monitoring systems in
depth, YMMV).

 ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all
damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode The Drumhead
- Alex Smith
- Dulles Technology Corridor (Chantilly/Ashburn/Dulles), Virginia USA


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Ben Taylor bentaylor.sol...@gmail.comwrote:

 While I agree that monitoring is good, and batteries wear out, and this is
 a problem in production environments.  For a hobbyist, where I can take
 down my system without permission from my boss or business unit, it is
 really that bad of an idea?


 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote:

  capacitors are better. Batteries wear out and are difficult to have the
  correct monitoring for replacement.
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Ben Taylor bentaylor.sol...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Surprised someone hasn't developed a SATA power cable with small
 battery
   Passthrough for this exact application.
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote:
  
true, Volker..
   
Just to note though, the 320s have no battery, but they do have
 enough
capacitor to flush anything from the small ram into flash on power
   outage.
   
   
   
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de
 wrote:
   
  Why not Intel 320 series? Also 710 series work fine for this,
 for a
  bit more $$ and a bit more speed. The 320 are not as fast as the
  S3700 or S3500 but they are a LOT less expensive.

 This thread started out as a discussion of the merits of the HP
 N54L
 microserver for home use.  I am not really sure if a home server
  needs
 mirrored battery-protected SSDs.  :-)


 Regards -- Volker
 --

  
 
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   Solaris
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] iostat - sum of the parts

2014-02-10 Thread jason matthews

I have asked this question before but I am going to try to rephrase it. 

when i look at the output from iostat -nMxCz 1 i see something that looks like 
following on my shinny new servers running 151a9. I was previously rev-locked 
on 151a1.

my question is why do the numbers for the zpool not resemble the sum of the 
parts? for example busy reports 56% for the pool but no device in the pool is 
more than 40% busy, in this example.

Or why does wait report 5171ms when the devices are report 0. Does wait reflect 
the flush timer that is 5 seconds by default?


   extended device statistics  
r/s  w/s Mr/s   Mw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t  %w  %b device
 3676.030115.6   9.5  140.70.1  4.30.00.1   0   339 c3
  422.04002.91.3   13.9   0.0  0.50.00.1   2 40 
c3t55CD2E404B41906Cd0
  455.03991.01.3   14.0   0.0  0.50.00.1   2 39 
c3t55CD2E404B417F40d0
  442.04028.91.4   14.0   0.0  0.50.00.1   2 37 
c3t55CD2E404B417E7Bd0
  509.04008.91.2   14.0   0.0  0.50.00.1   2 36 
c3t55CD2E404B417F07d0
  390.04001.91.2   14.0   0.0  0.50.00.1   1 38 
c3t55CD2E404B417F34d0
  285.02033.00.7   14.2   0.0  0.30.00.1   1 27 
c3t55CD2E404B41903Dd0
  280.02062.00.7   14.2   0.0  0.30.00.1   1 29 
c3t55CD2E404B417EDFd0
  301.01999.00.6   14.2   0.0  0.40.00.2   1 31 
c3t55CD2E404B417F8Ad0
  304.02011.00.6   14.2   0.0  0.40.00.2   1 33 
c3t55CD2E404B417B32d0
  288.01977.00.6   14.2   0.0  0.40.00.2   1 29 
c3t55CD2E404B4063DDd0
 3676.0   29045.69.5  140.7 5171.0  4.8  158.00.1  51  56 data


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] iostat - sum of the parts

2014-02-10 Thread Joshua M. Clulow
On 10 February 2014 18:02, jason matthews ja...@broken.net wrote:
 my question is why do the numbers for the zpool not resemble the sum of the 
 parts? for example busy reports 56% for the pool but no device in the pool is 
 more than 40% busy, in this example.

In both cases, the % busy column can be somewhat misleading.
Essentially, this column represents the amount of time that we were
waiting on the device to complete some number of I/O operations.  That
is: for that percentage of the last refresh interval, we were waiting
on _at least one_ I/O operation.  For the remainder of the interval
the device was idle.

This applies to the data pool, as well: some amount of the time it
is servicing I/O requests (the %b figure), and some amount of the time
it is idle.  Critically, for data to be busy only _one_ of its
underlying disks must be busy; busyness for data is the percentage
of the last interval where _at least one disk_ had _at least one
inflight I/O operation_.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Hans J. Albertsson

Is that really true:

The press reslease from Samsung in the US said explicitly:

The integrated Power loss function includes tantalum capacitors, thus 
ensuring the data is written while power failure. 


On 2014-02-10 22:32, Schweiss, Chip wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Hans J. Albertsson 
hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se wrote:


Samsung 843




The 843 while called and enterprise SSD, does not have capacitors for power
loss protection.

http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-843/2/
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Hans J. Albertsson

The SSD I'm looking at is a Samsung 843T, note the T.

Maybe there's a non - T variety w/o the powerloss protection??

On 2014-02-11 08:28, Hans J. Albertsson wrote:

Is that really true:

The press reslease from Samsung in the US said explicitly:

The integrated Power loss function includes tantalum capacitors, thus 
ensuring the data is written while power failure. 


On 2014-02-10 22:32, Schweiss, Chip wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Hans J. Albertsson 
hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se wrote:


Samsung 843




The 843 while called and enterprise SSD, does not have capacitors for 
power

loss protection.

http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-843/2/
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Powerloss protected SSDs for ...Re: Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
That was it. The 843 has no powerloss protection short-term backup power 
supply, the 843T does have tantalum powerloss backup caps.



On 2014-02-11 08:42, Hans J. Albertsson wrote:

The SSD I'm looking at is a Samsung 843T, note the T.

Maybe there's a non - T variety w/o the powerloss protection??

On 2014-02-11 08:28, Hans J. Albertsson wrote:

Is that really true:

The press reslease from Samsung in the US said explicitly:

The integrated Power loss function includes tantalum capacitors, 
thus ensuring the data is written while power failure. 


On 2014-02-10 22:32, Schweiss, Chip wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Hans J. Albertsson 
hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se wrote:


Samsung 843




The 843 while called and enterprise SSD, does not have capacitors 
for power

loss protection.

http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-843/2/
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