Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster upgrade problem

2015-11-17 Thread the out-sider 
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I can host the wiki if people want. 

Main concerns:
1. who will be responsible for the editing?
2. how to guard the correctness of the articles? 




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Van: Thomas Wagner [mailto:tom-oi-disc...@tom.bn-ulm.de] 
Verzonden: maandag 16 november 2015 21:40
Aan: Discussion list for OpenIndiana 
Onderwerp: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster upgrade problem

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:16:00PM +, Stefan M??ller-Wilken wrote:
> 
> Full 'thumbs up' to all you've said. I admit that I've treated SFE as part
of the core.  My bad, I'll fix that following your suggestions and report.
 
thanks :)

> Regarding maintaining and supporting OI, I know what you mean: I'm 
> always happy to see someone coming back to my NWAM wiki topic. :-)
> 
> And I agree there is a lot of room for PR - just alone from looking at 
> the website. :-)
> 
> As for contributing packages, I think it would help to have a full
tutorial starting wirh preparing a packaging zone, downloading a tgz package
from a source repository (e. g. latest tomcat) over creating IPS metadata to
packaging and lastly delivering to the maintainers placed on the wiki. There
was one for SFE I remember being fairly complex - but we'd need this for dev
with the minimum number of steps just to upgrade an existing package... or
is this already available somewhere on the net?

Yes, for the SFE part, it has been sitting on the mediawiki of pkgbuild. The
Wiki Source files are still in a safe place (my ZFS disk :) but I got mad of
waiting on the sourceforge hosted  mediawiki install getting hacked after a
day.

So if someone has an idea on converting mediawiki pages to a modern wiki,
please let me know very soon, that would help a lot.


Getting a SFE build environment is either by a running a single script
called bootstrap-sfe*, or, the already mentioned longer step guide from the
wiki. But that guide is currently locked in the offline mediawiki pages.

If at least two people raise hands, I'll put up a draft page somewhere which
describes the usage of the boostrap-sfe-* script. Then the build-recipes
form the SFE repository can be built locally. Those recipes usually run on
OpenIndiana OI151a[89], Hipster, Solaris 11 (12), OmniOS.
And the LibreOffice for Hipster and Solaris 11 is built from this stack.

Regards,
Thomas


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster upgrade problem

2015-11-17 Thread Nikola M 

On 11/17/15 01:25 PM, the out-sider wrote:

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Don't you have a decent plain mail client program instead of shitty 
software that needs to commercialize itself, bestially like this? (Apple 
you fall in this category, too)
This is same like telling to people every time you post "I also sell 
tomatoes and have a great horse" - not very related.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster upgrade problem

2015-11-17 Thread Nikola M 

On 11/17/15 01:25 PM, the out-sider wrote:

I can host the wiki if people want.

Main concerns:
1. who will be responsible for the editing?

 Everyone who register an account?

2. how to guard the correctness of the articles?
Everyone would check articles of the others and make changes as needed, 
kile on every wiki?


Bare in mind that if it is to be wihi about using Openindiana it is best 
to be hosted on Openindiana hosting infrastructure, precisely to protect 
freedom of expression and not to fall dependant on external services 
that may be availabel one day and another day may be not.




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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Σχετ: ANNOUNCE: OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros with gcc4 flash-plugin support released at bin PKG and the src on GitHub

2015-11-17 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss 
Great! 

Στάλθηκε από το Ταχυδρομείο Yahoo σε Android 
 
  Στις Τετ, 18 Νοε, 2015 στις 5:14, ο χρήστης Martin Bochnig 
έγραψε:   Demo-Screenshots:  
http://opensxce.org/.FF/43.0b3/i386/demo_screenshots/

SRC:
https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/commits?author=MartinBochnig
https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/commit/a217b4c934e5ab7dceb2d8253f03ce8687e505c7

The diff is also atatched and can freely be used for whatever you want:
https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/blob/master/FF43.0b3_OpenSolaris_x86_x64.patch
<>


BINS:
http://opensxce.org/.FF/43.0b3/i386/


https://raw.githubusercontent.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/master/README_INSTALLATION/HOW_TO_BUILD.txt
Easy:

A) clone the repo

B) run ./MAKE_WORLDx.sh
(if you run into headers related errors until you correct some pieces, 
that's normal - but happens at different places from system to system)

Alternatively: For users of Sun/Oracle's SFW/userland derived userlands 
everything is prepared ready to run under oracle-userland-integration/.

C) for SVR4 package creation, such as on OpenSXCE, TribbliX, Sun SXCE11 
or Sun/Oracle Solaris10.x the place to look is under 
oracle-userland-integration/opensxce/.

Good luck and happy coding :)



A few words which I cannot keep untold, not possible:

https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/tree/master/README_INSTALLATION/





DONATION: FireFox43.0b3 pkg and src in GitHub unleashed  (initial version 
x86/x64 only, SPARC next week [if wanted], Illumos-x86/x64 kernel patch for 
flash-plugin support also next week if wanted]*, also DRM/KMS for Intel can* be 
released any time, also my openXsun patches and a SPARC-OpenIndiana)

  * := unless some so far unknown non-contributor that one never saw here for 
months suddenly opens his western bigmouth and urges me away once again.


Martin B. aka OpenSXCE.org (_HE_!) herewith **donates** 6 hyper-fulltime weeks 
of on average 15 unpaid hours per day (no joke, btw including weekends) to the 
OpenSXCE/DilOS/Illumos/OpenSolaris/Sun-Solaris/Oracle-Solaris/OpenIndiana/Hipster
 (and all other OpenSolaris based distros') communities.

Originally he wanted to publish this stuff in April (at the time for FireFox37 
which he then after certain events only published as binary package, which can 
still be obtained from http://opensxce.org/.FF/37/i386/). But testing the water 
faced him with egoistic GIMME GIMME MOAR _demands*_, rather than any 
noticable support, like last time when he published OpenSXCE, like last time 
when he had created the SPARC-OpenIndiana LiveDVD, like last time when he 
released SPARC-Xorg in 2006, like last time when he published the Qemu port to 
SPARC-Solaris hosts in 2006, like last time when [...]

Folks called him a "capitalist", only because he dared to ask for some (so 
called) "donations".
Look how foolish this is:  A capitalist is somebody who does something for a 
profit. Profit would mean getting more - (a lot!) more - than having invested, 
rather than getting back maybe 5% of the actual costs (electricity, computer, 
hdd, food, powerdrinks, room, all bills in Germany are extremely high), plus 
additionally getting nothing for the actual time spent nor any other reward for 
the lack of income during all this time spent. Even a toilet-cleaner is rich in 
contrast, because he does get something for his time.

Who doesn't know (or understand) the difference between M.B. (who spent more 
than ten [probably more than twenty] thousand unpaid hours on OpenSolaris 
community related work since 2005 [and at Blastwave since 2003) should read: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_mode_of_production_%28Marxist_theory%29

"Anti-Social Capitalist" ???
--->>  That's not him who loves OpenSolaris so much that he ruined his career.
NOPE: That's most readers of this mailing list, who only show up once in 2 
years to make some useless one-liner comment.
And if they do, then only to criticize those few real OpenIndiana contributors 
that are really working on this (Hipster team!).
Yesterday there were such comments again (like "Hipster is going nowhere" or 
"write up instructions").
Thos instructions are on the openindiana page for years. But only those truly 
interested in contributing something would come across them, rather than some 
show-offs and time-wasters who can only blame and complain (the referred post 
was only a single example, other mailing list members are much worse).
True Anti-Social beings are those biz owners or well paid biz-admins who deploy 
OI countless times for commercial installations while keeping all the 1000's of 
Dollars for themselves, rather than giving anything back to the Hipster team.
I must say: It is a mistake that those few working on Hipster are giving it 
away for free.

Free software - the meaning has to be

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ANNOUNCE: OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros with gcc4 flash-plugin support released at bin PKG and the src on GitHub

2015-11-17 Thread Predrag Zečević - Unix Systems Administrator 

Hi Martin,

Many thanks.

With best regards.
Predrag Zečević

On 11/18/15 04:14 AM, Martin Bochnig wrote:

Demo-Screenshots:  http://opensxce.org/.FF/43.0b3/i386/demo_screenshots/

SRC:
https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/commits?author=MartinBochnig

https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/commit/a217b4c934e5ab7dceb2d8253f03ce8687e505c7


The diff is also atatched and can freely be used for whatever you want:
https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/blob/master/FF43.0b3_OpenSolaris_x86_x64.patch

<>


BINS:
http://opensxce.org/.FF/43.0b3/i386/


https://raw.githubusercontent.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/master/README_INSTALLATION/HOW_TO_BUILD.txt

Easy:

A) clone the repo

B) run ./MAKE_WORLDx.sh
(if you run into headers related errors until you correct some pieces,
that's normal - but happens at different places from system to system)

Alternatively: For users of Sun/Oracle's SFW/userland derived userlands
everything is prepared ready to run under oracle-userland-integration/.

C) for SVR4 package creation, such as on OpenSXCE, TribbliX, Sun SXCE11
or Sun/Oracle Solaris10.x the place to look is under
oracle-userland-integration/opensxce/.

Good luck and happy coding :)



A few words which I cannot keep untold, not possible:

https://github.com/OpenSXCE-org/FireFox-43-port-for-all-OpenSolaris-distros/tree/master/README_INSTALLATION/






DONATION: FireFox43.0b3 pkg and src in GitHub unleashed  (initial
version x86/x64 only, SPARC next week [if wanted], Illumos-x86/x64
kernel patch for flash-plugin support also next week if wanted]*, also
DRM/KMS for Intel can* be released any time, also my openXsun patches
and a SPARC-OpenIndiana)

  * := unless some so far unknown non-contributor that one never saw
here for months suddenly opens his western bigmouth and urges me away
once again.


Martin B. aka OpenSXCE.org (_HE_!) herewith **donates** 6 hyper-fulltime
weeks of on average 15 unpaid hours per day (no joke, btw including
weekends) to the
OpenSXCE/DilOS/Illumos/OpenSolaris/Sun-Solaris/Oracle-Solaris/OpenIndiana/Hipster
(and all other OpenSolaris based distros') communities.

Originally he wanted to publish this stuff in April (at the time for
FireFox37 which he then after certain events only published as binary
package, which can still be obtained from
http://opensxce.org/.FF/37/i386/). But testing the water faced him with
egoistic GIMME GIMME MOAR _demands*_, rather than any noticable
support, like last time when he published OpenSXCE, like last time when
he had created the SPARC-OpenIndiana LiveDVD, like last time when he
released SPARC-Xorg in 2006, like last time when he published the Qemu
port to SPARC-Solaris hosts in 2006, like last time when [...]

Folks called him a "capitalist", only because he dared to ask for some
(so called) "donations".
Look how foolish this is:  A capitalist is somebody who does something
for a profit. Profit would mean getting more - (a lot!) more - than
having invested, rather than getting back maybe 5% of the actual costs
(electricity, computer, hdd, food, powerdrinks, room, all bills in
Germany are extremely high), plus additionally getting nothing for the
actual time spent nor any other reward for the lack of income during all
this time spent. Even a toilet-cleaner is rich in contrast, because he
does get something for his time.

Who doesn't know (or understand) the difference between M.B. (who spent
more than ten [probably more than twenty] thousand unpaid hours on
OpenSolaris community related work since 2005 [and at Blastwave since
2003) should read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_mode_of_production_%28Marxist_theory%29


"Anti-Social Capitalist" ???
--->>  That's not him who loves OpenSolaris so much that he ruined his
career.
NOPE: That's most readers of this mailing list, who only show up once in
2 years to make some useless one-liner comment.
And if they do, then only to criticize those few real OpenIndiana
contributors that are really working on this (Hipster team!).
Yesterday there were such comments again (like "Hipster is going
nowhere" or "write up instructions").
Thos instructions are on the openindiana page for years. But only those
truly interested in contributing something would come across them,
rather than some show-offs and time-wasters who can only blame and
complain (the referred post was only a single example, other mailing
list members are much worse).
True Anti-Social beings are those biz owners or well paid biz-admins who
deploy OI countless times for commercial installations while keeping all
the 1000's of Dollars for themselves, rather than giving anything back
to the Hipster team.
I must say: It is a mistake that those few working on Hipster are giving
it away for free.

Free software - the meaning has to be interpreted as open-src, but not
necessarily free of charge all the time.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster upgrade problem

2015-11-17 Thread Stefan Müller-Wilken 
What's wrong with putting all content on wiki.openindiana.org?

Cheers
 Stefan


Von: Nikola M [minik...@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. November 2015 19:55
An: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
Betreff: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster upgrade problem

On 11/17/15 01:25 PM, the out-sider wrote:
> I can host the wiki if people want.
>
> Main concerns:
> 1. who will be responsible for the editing?
  Everyone who register an account?
> 2. how to guard the correctness of the articles?
Everyone would check articles of the others and make changes as needed,
kile on every wiki?

Bare in mind that if it is to be wihi about using Openindiana it is best
to be hosted on Openindiana hosting infrastructure, precisely to protect
freedom of expression and not to fall dependant on external services
that may be availabel one day and another day may be not.



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