Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] live DVD hanging during boot

2020-10-15 Thread Gerard Arthus 
What are settings in CMOS for example UEFI or Legacy or both?

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 11:55 PM Lauren Pullen  wrote:

> On 10/15/20 21:37, Gerard Arthus wrote:
> > Sounds like a hardware issue; I changed my video card after this type of
> > action and it worked. What are the 'specs' for the machine.
>
> GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 (gigabyte) mainboard
> 8 GB RAM
> GTX 1050 TI 3 GB graphics
> 2 SATA hard drives and a DVD drive
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> It currently runs windows 7 and ubuntu, but I have seen it run windows
> 10. The graphics card was bought last year.
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] live DVD hanging during boot

2020-10-15 Thread Lauren Pullen 

On 10/15/20 21:37, Gerard Arthus wrote:

Sounds like a hardware issue; I changed my video card after this type of
action and it worked. What are the 'specs' for the machine.


GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 (gigabyte) mainboard
8 GB RAM
GTX 1050 TI 3 GB graphics
2 SATA hard drives and a DVD drive

It currently runs windows 7 and ubuntu, but I have seen it run windows 
10. The graphics card was bought last year.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] live DVD hanging during boot

2020-10-15 Thread Gerard Arthus 
Sounds like a hardware issue; I changed my video card after this type of
action and it worked. What are the 'specs' for the machine.

Best Wishes,
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 11:34 PM Lauren Pullen  wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I'm trying to install openindiana on my workstation and the boot process
> is hanging before the keyboard or language questions are printed. I was
> thinking it might just be slow, so I let it run all night to no avail.
>
> When I boot in verbose mode it prints the CPU features, the total
> memory, then hangs. I tried booting it in a vm from the disk, just in
> case there was a problem with the disk, and it started up fine.
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> I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to what's gone wrong, so any help will be
> appreciated.
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] live DVD hanging during boot

2020-10-15 Thread Lauren Pullen 

Hello list,

I'm trying to install openindiana on my workstation and the boot process 
is hanging before the keyboard or language questions are printed. I was 
thinking it might just be slow, so I let it run all night to no avail.


When I boot in verbose mode it prints the CPU features, the total 
memory, then hangs. I tried booting it in a vm from the disk, just in 
case there was a problem with the disk, and it started up fine.


I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to what's gone wrong, so any help will be 
appreciated.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Intruducing a new pair of rpool mirror discs

2020-10-15 Thread Harry Putnam 
"Coalson, Timothy Scott (S)"  writes:

> Having (much) less than 300GB of data doesn't mean none of it is
> written past the 300GB mark, and I believe mirror vdevs use the same
> offset in each component device for the mirror copies.  Even for
> relatively simple fs-on-softraid setups, you have to use specialized
> tools to move data out of the end of the partition and update its new
> location in all other filesystem structures, and these usually operate
> while the filesystem is unmounted.  I don't know if such tools exist
> for zfs.  Doing this with the filesystem mounted would need at least
> block pointer rewrite (which has been on the wishlist for a long
> time).  I expect zpool will just tell you it can't be attached as a
> mirror because it is the wrong size, no matter what other options used
> (take care not to accidentally use "add").
>
> However, if you made a new pool from scratch and used zfs send and
> receive, and then did whatever to get the bootloader squared away, you
> could then swap to the new disks.

Ugh ... thanks for good info.. the option above sounds like the way to
go. 

> SSDs would be a lot more noticeable upgrade than velociraptors, and
> run cooler.  I haven't tried setting up overprovisioning on zfs boot
> drives yet, though.

I have to be careful what I try to install on this old HP wx 8600.
Maybe SSDs would be fine,  but, for example, I bought 2 3tb discs and
installed them ... only to find the HP xw8600 could not run 3 TB
disks.

Thanks for the good input.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Intruducing a new pair of rpool mirror discs

2020-10-15 Thread Coalson, Timothy Scott (S) 
Having (much) less than 300GB of data doesn't mean none of it is written past 
the 300GB mark, and I believe mirror vdevs use the same offset in each 
component device for the mirror copies.  Even for relatively simple 
fs-on-softraid setups, you have to use specialized tools to move data out of 
the end of the partition and update its new location in all other filesystem 
structures, and these usually operate while the filesystem is unmounted.  I 
don't know if such tools exist for zfs.  Doing this with the filesystem mounted 
would need at least block pointer rewrite (which has been on the wishlist for a 
long time).  I expect zpool will just tell you it can't be attached as a mirror 
because it is the wrong size, no matter what other options used (take care not 
to accidentally use "add").

However, if you made a new pool from scratch and used zfs send and receive, and 
then did whatever to get the bootloader squared away, you could then swap to 
the new disks.

SSDs would be a lot more noticeable upgrade than velociraptors, and run cooler. 
 I haven't tried setting up overprovisioning on zfs boot drives yet, though.

Tim


From: Harry Putnam 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:49 PM
To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org 
Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Intruducing a new pair of rpool mirror discs

I've been running on a single rpool disk of what was a mirrored pair for
some time and am planning on correcting that now.  One disc went belly
up some months ago.

I want to take the opportunity to introduce a pair of 300gb
velocaraptors (sp) to replace both the bad disk and the working disk.

'the orginals where a pair of 700GB sata discs now quite long in the
tooth, and as mentioned one down already.

So, I'm wondering how to go at this.  If I  stick in one of the
300 GB `raptors' and make it a mirror to the working 700gb rpool disk what
will happen?

There is nowhere near 300GB data on that single 700GB disk holding
rpool.

Will that mean that the mismatch in disk space will just be lost from
the 700GB disk?  And once I've made the new 300gb mirror bootable,
could I then pull that last remaining 700GB disk and insert the second
300gb `raptor, make it a mirror, render it bootable and proceed on my
way with once again a matched pair of mirror discs on rpool?

Somehow I have bad feeling I'm overlooking a few things that might
bite me in the booty.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Intruducing a new pair of rpool mirror discs

2020-10-15 Thread Harry Putnam 
I've been running on a single rpool disk of what was a mirrored pair for
some time and am planning on correcting that now.  One disc went belly
up some months ago.

I want to take the opportunity to introduce a pair of 300gb
velocaraptors (sp) to replace both the bad disk and the working disk.

'the orginals where a pair of 700GB sata discs now quite long in the
tooth, and as mentioned one down already.

So, I'm wondering how to go at this.  If I  stick in one of the
300 GB `raptors' and make it a mirror to the working 700gb rpool disk what
will happen?

There is nowhere near 300GB data on that single 700GB disk holding
rpool.

Will that mean that the mismatch in disk space will just be lost from
the 700GB disk?  And once I've made the new 300gb mirror bootable,
could I then pull that last remaining 700GB disk and insert the second
300gb `raptor, make it a mirror, render it bootable and proceed on my
way with once again a matched pair of mirror discs on rpool?

Somehow I have bad feeling I'm overlooking a few things that might
bite me in the booty.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Printing from Firefox does not work

2020-10-15 Thread Gary Mills 
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:35:37AM -0400, John D Groenveld wrote:
> 
> root@openindiana:~# pkg search -l 
> depend::library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
> INDEX   ACTION VALUE
> PACKAGE
> incorporate depend library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups@3.24.23-2020.0.1.0 
> pkg:/consolidation/userland/userland-incorporation@0.5.11-2020.0.1.13521
> require depend library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
> pkg:/mate_install@0.1-2020.0.1.42
> 
> I installed my test Hipster VM via the text ISO and then installed
> mate_install to get the GUI.
> Does the GUI ISO installer not include mate_install?

I found the cause.  `pkg update' can only update the installed
packages.  mate_install is not installed.  Therefore, the dependancy
on that package is not consulted.  mate_install is installed by the
live image, but it is removed again when the install completes.

mate_install is a list of packages that make up a Mate installations,
but it gets removed again, making it a special case.  Because of this
special treatment for mate_install, that package doesn't really work.
If you have done the install some time ago, `pkg update' will not
observe changes to mate_install .  The only solution is to make
mate_install something that can be installed permanently.  At the very
least, the gtk-backend-cups dependancies should be attached to real
packages.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Printing from Firefox does not work

2020-10-15 Thread Gary Mills 
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:35:37AM -0400, John D Groenveld wrote:
> In message <20201015140917.ga18...@imap.fastmail.com>, Gary Mills writes:
> >library/desktop/gtk2/gtk-backend-cups
> >library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
> >
> >were not installed.  These packages deliver libprintbackend-cups.so .
> >Once I installed these two packages, the firefox print dialogue showed
> >my CUPS print queue.
[...]
> 
> root@openindiana:~# pkg search -l 
> depend::library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
> INDEX   ACTION VALUE
> PACKAGE
> incorporate depend library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups@3.24.23-2020.0.1.0 
> pkg:/consolidation/userland/userland-incorporation@0.5.11-2020.0.1.13521
> require depend library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
> pkg:/mate_install@0.1-2020.0.1.42
> 
> I installed my test Hipster VM via the text ISO and then installed
> mate_install to get the GUI.
> Does the GUI ISO installer not include mate_install?

I don't know, but then I do it differently.  I did the install a long
time ago.  Since then, I've been doing updates.  The second last
update was from hipster-20180701 to hipster-20200802 .  With that one,
the dialogue box within firefox did not show my CUPS queue.  Before
that, it had `print to lpr', which I now understand got removed.  My
last update was from hipster-20200802 to hipster-20201012 .  Nothing
changed in firefox with that one.  Since I installed those two
packages, the print dialogue showed my CUPS printer and pre-selected
it.

In any case, the update did not install those packages.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Printing from Firefox does not work

2020-10-15 Thread John D Groenveld 
In message <20201015140917.ga18...@imap.fastmail.com>, Gary Mills writes:
>library/desktop/gtk2/gtk-backend-cups
>library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
>
>were not installed.  These packages deliver libprintbackend-cups.so .
>Once I installed these two packages, the firefox print dialogue showed
>my CUPS print queue.
>
>I expect that other people will encounter this same problem.  To
>prevent that, these two packages should be installed with GTK or CUPS,
>probably with CUPS.

root@openindiana:~# pkg search -l depend::library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
INDEX   ACTION VALUE
PACKAGE
incorporate depend library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups@3.24.23-2020.0.1.0 
pkg:/consolidation/userland/userland-incorporation@0.5.11-2020.0.1.13521
require depend library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups
pkg:/mate_install@0.1-2020.0.1.42

I installed my test Hipster VM via the text ISO and then installed
mate_install to get the GUI.
Does the GUI ISO installer not include mate_install?

John
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Printing from Firefox does not work

2020-10-15 Thread Gary Mills 
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 02:42:21PM -0500, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss 
wrote:
> 
> What does
> 
>   pkg list | egrep -i print
> 
> output?

Your suggestion gave me a clue.  I did some reading to fill in the
blanks.  The print dialogue window in firefox, and in a few other
applications, is actually produced by GTK.  What it displays is
controlled by shared libraries in:

/usr/lib/amd64/gtk-*/*/printbackends
/usr/lib/gtk-*/*/printbackends

This directory only contained libprintbackend-file.so .  The packages:

library/desktop/gtk2/gtk-backend-cups
library/desktop/gtk3/gtk-backend-cups

were not installed.  These packages deliver libprintbackend-cups.so .
Once I installed these two packages, the firefox print dialogue showed
my CUPS print queue.

I expect that other people will encounter this same problem.  To
prevent that, these two packages should be installed with GTK or CUPS,
probably with CUPS.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] firefox crashing

2020-10-15 Thread russell 

Hi

Updated OI hipster on 11th October, so now running on 
illumos-aefb332f56. I have noticed that Firefox is now crashing on sites 
where it used to work.
I can get a round by using a virtual machine to access the sites but it 
annoying. I have disabled the plugins but the problem remains.


Is there going to be an update to new Firefox ESR?

TIA



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] the dirty lowdown hold not giving up the ghost

2020-10-15 Thread Harry Putnam 
"Coalson, Timothy Scott (S)"  writes:

> Maybe this is too obvious, but "keep" is just the string they chose to
> use in that documentation page, you need to know the right string for
> your snapshot in order to release the hold.  You can get a list of the
> current holds on a snapshot with "zfs holds".

Thanks for being too kind to say `maybe its too dumb'.

Turned out the string was `kp' and once released it disappeared.

thanks for soft elbow nudge.

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