Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster 2020.10 text installer ISO Wow!!!!
On 2021-03-04 19:01, cretin1997 wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 12:03 AM, Chris wrote: SquashFS is only small when it's compressed on media. Who on earth use SquashFS without compression? lz4 is the most widely used algorithm. Compressible is the selling point of it. Who on earth will ever think about uncompressed SquashFS? Huh? You've trimmed out all the context. Now none of this makes any sense. --Chris -- ~10yrs a FreeBSD maintainer of ~160 ports ~40yrs of UNIX ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster 2020.10 text installer ISO Wow!!!!
With this piece of utter nonsense I am going to depart from the conversation in hopes that the actual subject can be addressed in a sensible fashion at a later time. I have other things to do and it's quite clear that there is no reason to "upgrade" from 2017.10 any time soon. There is far too much that needs to be fixed. When the name "Hipster" appeared it made me uneasy. Unfortunately my concerns have been confirmed. BTW I'm not running an OI server and have never said I was. SunOS has been my preferred native work environment for 30 years. As I don't wish to gamble with having Solaris 10 u8 connected to the internet, I use OI for internet and casual computing tasks. The shift from an Atom netbox to a Z400 to run OI resulted in my tending to do more casual computing on OI. McKusic's most recent book arrived yesterday and I wish to find out what he has to say this time. Even if I never use FreeBSD as my working environment I'm sure I'll learn more than enough to justify the time spent. Reg On Friday, March 5, 2021, 04:28:08 AM CST, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 3:34 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: > On 05.03.21 07:56, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss wrote: > > > ... > > Trust me, man. SquashFS is a superior technology ... > > > It's the superior technology ... > > From my decades of experience, if I read such sentences, > I immediately know it's not. Superior. > It's just another "something", surrounded by Hipsters > trying to generate a hype around it. Except this time you are wrong. You just use experience to beat other people. You have no first hand experience with SquashFS and no knowledge about it. I suggest download a live Linux system from distrowatch, you could choose a random distro, boot it live system, play with it for a while, and realize how behind we are to Linux in term of live system technology. > > > and is the answer to our problem. > > ? What problem ? What you are talking about ? Why > not using Linux when everything there is superior > and solves your problems ? What you are doing here ? > Yeah yeah I know. You are the best! Others are rubbish! You don't have to learn anything from others but only them learn from you! Yeah, they really did just that. They learned and imported ZFS from you and now their ZoL implementation becomes upstream, your implementation is lagged behind. Yeah, SystemD learned from SMF and FMA, but just superior because they don't use everything XML like yours. Yeah, I know all of that. Childish behavior like yours only caused the interested people to go away. And I really considered to go away. But the fact is I see I still can do something useful with OI and don't want to give up too soon. Yeah, I know, from my experience on this mail list, give up is most of the time the answers! Sooner or later, I will have to give up. But I don't want to give it up too soon. Got it? ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Problems after updating to latest Hipster - fmadm
In message <88942caf-8a02-5b64-4c02-c72af7bb1...@willows7.myzen.co.uk>, russell writes: >After following John's advice, booted to single user mode, disabled >Lightdm and then entered multi-user state everything was fine. Any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? >I ran fmadm faulty and there was nothing recent, there was a reference >to an old graphics card but not the current one. You can fmadm acquit the old fault. John groenv...@acm.org ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster 2020.10 text installer ISO Wow!!!!
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 11:28 AM cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Friday, March 5, 2021 3:34 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK) < > udo.grabow...@kit.edu> wrote: > > > On 05.03.21 07:56, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss wrote: > > > > > ... > > > Trust me, man. SquashFS is a superior technology ... > > > > > It's the superior technology ... > > > > From my decades of experience, if I read such sentences, > > I immediately know it's not. Superior. > > It's just another "something", surrounded by Hipsters > > trying to generate a hype around it. > > Except this time you are wrong. You just use experience to beat other > people. You have no first hand experience with SquashFS and no knowledge > about it. I suggest download a live Linux system from distrowatch, you > could choose a random distro, boot it live system, play with it for a > while, and realize how behind we are to Linux in term of live system > technology. > > > > > > and is the answer to our problem. > > > > ? What problem ? What you are talking about ? Why > > not using Linux when everything there is superior > > and solves your problems ? What you are doing here ? > > > > Yeah yeah I know. You are the best! Others are rubbish! You don't have to > learn anything from others but only them learn from you! Yeah, they really > did just that. They learned and imported ZFS from you and now their ZoL > implementation becomes upstream, your implementation is lagged behind. > Yeah, SystemD learned from SMF and FMA, but just superior because they > don't use everything XML like yours. Yeah, I know all of that. > > Childish behavior like yours only caused the interested people to go away. > And I really considered to go away. But the fact is I see I still can do > something useful with OI and don't want to give up too soon. Yeah, I know, > from my experience on this mail list, give up is most of the time the > answers! Sooner or later, I will have to give up. But I don't want to give > it up too soon. Got it? > Chassez le naturel... > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > -- --- Praise the Caffeine embeddings ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Problems after updating to latest Hipster - fmadm
Hi After following John's advice, booted to single user mode, disabled Lightdm and then entered multi-user state everything was fine. I ran fmadm faulty and there was nothing recent, there was a reference to an old graphics card but not the current one. Looking in /var/adm/messages there is a reference to Mar 5 10:51:26 tesla savecore: [ID 570001 auth.error] reboot after panic: pcieb-2: PCI(-X) Express Fatal Error. (0x41) This I believe is a software issue as I can boot from Linux Mint 19.3, 20 and 20.1 livecd without any issues. Regards Russell ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] nvidia problem
On 03/05/21 11:48 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss wrote: Finally I added a more recent version of the driver to the system but now the system fails to start because it dumps core. Probably this is related to the problem reported in this list yesterday. So I have to wait and see when a functional lightdm will be available. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss Hello! Maybe you have an older Boot Environment to switch to in the boot menu, to get lightdm back. (?) And you can test your driver without lightdm: # svcadm disable lightdm # startx and look at the output and in /var/log/Xorg.0.log Greetings, Stephan ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] nvidia problem
Finally I added a more recent version of the driver to the system but now the system fails to start because it dumps core. Probably this is related to the problem reported in this list yesterday. So I have to wait and see when a functional lightdm will be available. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster 2020.10 text installer ISO Wow!!!!
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 3:34 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: > On 05.03.21 07:56, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss wrote: > > > ... > > Trust me, man. SquashFS is a superior technology ... > > > It's the superior technology ... > > From my decades of experience, if I read such sentences, > I immediately know it's not. Superior. > It's just another "something", surrounded by Hipsters > trying to generate a hype around it. Except this time you are wrong. You just use experience to beat other people. You have no first hand experience with SquashFS and no knowledge about it. I suggest download a live Linux system from distrowatch, you could choose a random distro, boot it live system, play with it for a while, and realize how behind we are to Linux in term of live system technology. > > > and is the answer to our problem. > > ? What problem ? What you are talking about ? Why > not using Linux when everything there is superior > and solves your problems ? What you are doing here ? > Yeah yeah I know. You are the best! Others are rubbish! You don't have to learn anything from others but only them learn from you! Yeah, they really did just that. They learned and imported ZFS from you and now their ZoL implementation becomes upstream, your implementation is lagged behind. Yeah, SystemD learned from SMF and FMA, but just superior because they don't use everything XML like yours. Yeah, I know all of that. Childish behavior like yours only caused the interested people to go away. And I really considered to go away. But the fact is I see I still can do something useful with OI and don't want to give up too soon. Yeah, I know, from my experience on this mail list, give up is most of the time the answers! Sooner or later, I will have to give up. But I don't want to give it up too soon. Got it? ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster 2020.10 text installer ISO Wow!!!!
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 2:15 PM, Toomas Soome wrote: > > squashfs for linux is GPL, if you want it, you need to write it from scratch. > We are already using compressed filesystem images on usb/iso, so squashfs > does not add any new value. > > rgds, > toomas Do you think we should merge the two images into just one compressed image so basically we eliminate the current split root scheme? SquashFS is also just one big image contains the whole file system. The current SquashFS image on my live Linux's size is about 3.2G and the performance still good, the memory consumed is normal, I confirm it's consumed not any much memory than the 1.7G SquashFS image. If SquashFS compressed much better and scale much better and also used not much more memory than our current scheme do you think it's worth to do a CDDL re-implementation of it for the Illumos kernel? SquashFS with lz4 reduces the image size alot. Recent SquashFS also supports Zstd. I know we don't have lz4 yet, only xz. As this article stated, xz compressed better but make the performance suffers: https://ptribble.blogspot.com/2012/10/those-strange-zlib-files.html So IMHO, if you don't want to use Linux technology, we should stop using split root images and merge the two images into just one and we should add lz4 and Zstd to lofiadm so we could use these algorithm to compress our image. This can't compare to SquashFS's efficiency, but at least same same. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster 2020.10 text installer ISO Wow!!!!
On 05.03.21 07:56, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss wrote: ... Trust me, man. SquashFS is a superior technology ... > It's the superior technology ... From my decades of experience, if I read such sentences, I immediately know it's not. Superior. It's just another "something", surrounded by Hipsters trying to generate a hype around it. and is the answer to our problem. ? What problem ? What you are talking about ? Why not using Linux when everything there is superior and solves your problems ? What you are doing here ? ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
