Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
On 06/ 8/15 08:33 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org wrote: The real problem is that OI has no community---just people who contribute almost nothing (of course there are brilliant exceptions...) and who are always critical about this and about that. I think partly this is because there's a very high barrier to entry. For example, last I heard building the complete system from source still required access to a closed-source, non-publicly-available compiler. You should update your findings. illumos in meantime cleared almost all closed parts in kernel (if ANY is left, ask illumos guys, not OI). Also par example, everything in OI Hipster is build with gcc, so you can check your findings on that front, too. For documentation, also there is illumos docs and Opensolaris docs (that is by no mean outdated but usefull). So I as of all to stop this thread, because even it is well intended, extending it spreads just more FUD then it serves anything. If you want to use it, do it, if you wand to watch it advance , pick up changes in Hipster: http://hipster.openindiana.org:8080/ and there are 2 channelt on Freenode, #oi-dev and #openindiana , where you can hang, I myself had old /dev 151a3 install (so I can have ZFS v28) updated to a7,a8 and a9 and I managed to install Hipster from 20141010 in Virtualbox, and then sent it to machine's emptied new BE with zfs send (with user dir) , so i have both /dev and Hipster (now in hipster-2015) on same machine and I compiled 915resolution fix. Changes are tested by installing packages from alp's (or some other's) build machine on http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net:1000/ etc. So there is more then enough space to contribute, code and build machines are hosted on Entic.net, code is also in Github, all you need is to find area to contribute. And contributiion is all that matters. Compaining is usefull just it is more like steering process with ideas, steering it wit at least testing is a start. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org wrote: The real problem is that OI has no community---just people who contribute almost nothing (of course there are brilliant exceptions...) and who are always critical about this and about that. I think partly this is because there's a very high barrier to entry. For example, last I heard building the complete system from source still required access to a closed-source, non-publicly-available compiler. Documentation is scattered and much of it is out of date. I can see why a new user, even one with coding experience, wouldn't want to wade into that. The situation is slowly improving, but it's starting from a culture where builds were handed down from an elite few, and that takes time to change. (Partly this is also a difference between the cathedral model vs. the bazaar model. A lot of what makes OI and FreeBSD attractive in terms of consistency and stability comes from the cathedral model, which also tends to result in slower development.) As about the drivers, why don't you work on the new driver? Kernel drivers are a pretty esoteric area in any OS, and doubly so in OI. I don't think there have been very many community changes to the drivers handed down from Oracle. -- D. Brodbeck System Administrator, Linguistics University of Washington GPG key fingerprint: 0DB7 4B50 8910 DBC5 B510 79C4 3970 2BC3 2078 D875 ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
I wasn't going to add to this discussion, otherwise I might sound bitter when in fact I'm more disappointed with myself, and the fact I've chosen the easy option... FYI I still have OI in a virtualbox, but no longer run it as my GUI or even every day. I know I'm a coder, and should help write drivers, but my driver writing experience is 16 years ago on an old Linux SCSI driver, and that was more of a code chasing exercise. I don't even write in C any more, mostly PL/SQL, perl and ruby. Unlike 16 years ago, I'm now a dad of 3, one autistic, and I have very little spare time when not in the office. I felt the best way to help the community was to _use_ OI on a daily basis, report back issues and potential work arounds (915resolution being one of them), and to help on the discussion boards when people asked questions I felt I could answer. This thread wasn't a complaint about the work you guys do, and I do hope you continue to do it, more a comment on the fact that I felt I couldn't continue to work for my employers using OI as my primary desktop because it currently isn't fit for purpose. I was under a lot of pressure from the other coders to get in line with Ubuntu, like they use, and I could no longer justify staying with it as my GUI, even if I can still run it on my servers. Jon On 8 Jun 2015 19:34, David Brodbeck bro...@uw.edu wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org wrote: The real problem is that OI has no community---just people who contribute almost nothing (of course there are brilliant exceptions...) and who are always critical about this and about that. I think partly this is because there's a very high barrier to entry. For example, last I heard building the complete system from source still required access to a closed-source, non-publicly-available compiler. Documentation is scattered and much of it is out of date. I can see why a new user, even one with coding experience, wouldn't want to wade into that. The situation is slowly improving, but it's starting from a culture where builds were handed down from an elite few, and that takes time to change. (Partly this is also a difference between the cathedral model vs. the bazaar model. A lot of what makes OI and FreeBSD attractive in terms of consistency and stability comes from the cathedral model, which also tends to result in slower development.) As about the drivers, why don't you work on the new driver? Kernel drivers are a pretty esoteric area in any OS, and doubly so in OI. I don't think there have been very many community changes to the drivers handed down from Oracle. -- D. Brodbeck System Administrator, Linguistics University of Washington GPG key fingerprint: 0DB7 4B50 8910 DBC5 B510 79C4 3970 2BC3 2078 D875 ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, David Brodbeck wrote: Kernel drivers are a pretty esoteric area in any OS, and doubly so in OI. I don't think there have been very many community changes to the drivers handed down from Oracle. This is a false statement. There are many community changes to the drivers in Illumos, and ast least the hipster variant of OI regularly picks up Illumos kernel improvements, including the drivers. Regardless, there are glaring problems such as lack of USB 3 support. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
Jonathan, Very good points as some similar issues haunt the BSD/Linux desktop worlds.. I remember when I mentioned that Solaris 11.2 still lacked decent AMD/ATI Radeon support or when OI-Hipster started with a newer Nvidia driver that dropped Nvidia GeForce 6000/7000 support used on my laptop. Had to suck it up and move on, use an older OI release, or adapt to the newer OI-Hipster releases Here are a few things I've done: 1. You can use PDF Studio, linux VM, or Wine for using later versions of Adobe Reader.2. Intel driver support affects BSD, all OpenSolaris/Illumos distro releases, as well as even Solaris Solaris 11.2.3. OI is as flexible with desktops as BSD/Linux distros. Not really a major issue - just your choice. Windowmaker is still used.4. FF 17ESR 24ESR are supported. Flash Player 10 11.2.202.223 varies. (see: https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions.html) There is now FF 37.1, ported to OI which is a bit leading-edge so your mileage may vary there as well Using other OSes is a matter of choice and many of us like the 'new and shiny' applications available on those distros. Like a toolbox,it is a matter of picking the best tool (i.e. distro/OS/app) for the job. The other thing I mentioned was the older linux wrapper, QuickTransit, or other VM/hypervisor tech option which lets you run most linux apps without porting everything. I worked with that before I got more into Wine ports, but that is just another option. Otherwise, use what works best for your desktop needs. ~ Ken On Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:00 AM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: Just a note to say that I have stopped using OI on the desktop, and have moved to the backup system of Ubuntu on the laptop. OI Hipster no longer worked well with Firefox provided on the Mozilla website (every time a dialog box appeared there was a 50% chance it would crash, and a 100% chance if the mouse cursor went near it), and the version 24 in the repository didn't run flash at all, so I couldn't use the Enterprise Manager from Oracle. I got around this using Martin Bochnig's version for which I was very grateful. The Mozilla provided Thunderbird suffered the same issues as Mozilla provided Firefox, dialog boxes kill it (file attachment to emails was an instant death, open with the same) and the OS provided Thunderbird core dumped without starting. I could get around the file attachment by dragging and dropping from the file explorer onto the message, I could live with the open with by letting it use the default application (which didn't work) then picking the files up from /tmp in the correct application. The Adobe Reader 9.3 core dumped instantly. I know that evince works well as a PDF viewer, but since I work with Electronically signed documents; Adobe is the only graphical application that deals with these correctly. I worked around it by not checking any signing of the document. There is no longer a working Intel graphics driver, although I could get around this by removing the driver and running in vesa with the 915resolution program. I started to play with making the ubuntu partition work better with our network and settings, getting sccs, autofs, openldap relication, etc. etc. working, and in the process of mounting my zfs root (to access the /etc directory of OI) I managed to stop a working BE from booting, meaning that I was forced to use a BE after the upgrades that broke all of the above. Consequently, Ubuntu died on my laptop during an system upgrade where it decided to uninstall the Intel graphics and disk drivers (would have been a serious win for beadm btw) and rather than trash the computer and all the settings I bought a new internal drive to copy all of my files. My laptop was dual boot on an 80Gb harddisk. I bought a new 1TB harddisk (was wondering about SSD, but felt that if I wanted to run Illumos I'd be better with spinning rust because of TRIM) ... I thought about the issues as stated above ... and I installed just Ubuntu on it. I feel a little guilty about it, like cheating on your first love, but I don't feel guilty about the 25 second boot times (as opposed to 5 mins) or the fact that I can run programs without them crashing. It also allows me access to more updated versions of software, and versions not available on Solaris (chromium, etc) I'm still keeping OI on the servers, ZFS root FS, Virtual network interfaces and Zones are brilliant, and no OS can compete, but I have decided to give up on the desktop. Thanks for reading this. Jon ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 5 jun 2015 01:07 skrev Tim Aslat t...@spyderweb.com.au: Hi all, I have been using FreeBSD on desktop for about 10 years. I fell in love with the ports collection after running into binary package hell with Redhat linux in the early 2000s, and decided it would make an interesting desktop OS as well. My only problem with FreeBSD as a desktop is video drivers. Nvidia are the only ones doing a half decent 3D accelerated desktop and I'm stuck with binary drivers. I was hoping that with AMD open sourcing the drivers for ATI cards things would get better, but not luck on that front just yet. Also the fact that FreeBSD has root ZFS pool support makes things rather easy on the maintenance front. Which is why I asked. FreeBSD seem a very serious crowd. The video driver issue is to some extent shared across all unix-like platforms, incl. OI Cheers Tim Hans J Albertsson wrote on 04/06/2015 23:17: On this note, does anyone use FreeBSD/PC-BSD as a desktop? -- Tim Aslat t...@spyderweb.com.au Spyderweb Consulting http://www.spyderweb.com.au Mobile: +61 0401088479 ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
Hi all, I have been using FreeBSD on desktop for about 10 years. I fell in love with the ports collection after running into binary package hell with Redhat linux in the early 2000s, and decided it would make an interesting desktop OS as well. My only problem with FreeBSD as a desktop is video drivers. Nvidia are the only ones doing a half decent 3D accelerated desktop and I'm stuck with binary drivers. I was hoping that with AMD open sourcing the drivers for ATI cards things would get better, but not luck on that front just yet. Also the fact that FreeBSD has root ZFS pool support makes things rather easy on the maintenance front. Cheers Tim Hans J Albertsson wrote on 04/06/2015 23:17: On this note, does anyone use FreeBSD/PC-BSD as a desktop? -- Tim Aslat t...@spyderweb.com.au Spyderweb Consulting http://www.spyderweb.com.au Mobile: +61 0401088479 ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
On 06/ 4/15 10:59 AM, Jonathan Adams wrote: Just a note to say that I have stopped using OI on the desktop, and have moved to the backup system of Ubuntu on the laptop. Thank you for providing '915resolution' patch. If that was not done, I would not be here, testing Hipster and returning bugs, that helps Alp moving Hipster forward. http://hipster.openindiana.org:8080/ Here is the your patch you shared for 915resolution, that works for me. (I do pfexec 915resolution 3c 1440 900 before pfexec svcadm disable gdm , pfexec svcadm enable gdm , before exiting VT console, to get resolution on intel 945 graphics working right) https://mega.co.nz/#!LN5QDRgb!7WARV51lX8zP5lJVxpaUwOX5jRLzHZ7pMe_e1JpBC58 OI Hipster no longer worked well with Firefox provided on the Mozilla website (every time a dialog box appeared there was a 50% chance it would crash, and a 100% chance if the mouse cursor went near it), and the version 24 in the repository didn't run flash at all, so I couldn't use the I think version 24 did run flash, just it was needed to jump first to adobe test site (http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about) before running flash. Versions of Thunderbird (31.7) currently in Hipster, does not have problems with Crashing in saveAs, and also attaching files and Calendar works fine and also Firefox 31.7, but Flash stopped working altogether , so FF 31.7 is not pushed in Hipster yet. Enterprise Manager from Oracle. I got around this using Martin Bochnig's version for which I was very grateful. We would be much more gratefull if code was also shared and a ways of building that make flash right... The Adobe Reader 9.3 core dumped instantly. I know that evince works well as a PDF viewer, but since I work with Electronically signed documents; Adobe is the only graphical application that deals with these correctly. I worked around it by not checking any signing of the document. I don't suppose that legacy Solaris 10 apps will be working on where Hipster is going. If they would work, that would be in Solaris 10 branded zone or alternative apps that check PDF signatures could be ported, if any. I also need that functionality sometimes and Adobe PDF viewer worked before, haven't test it lately, but clearly Openindiana/Hipster is not Solaris anymore, but illumos distro and software needs to be built for it to work or run in legacy environments, like Solaris10 zones. There is no longer a working Intel graphics driver, although I could get around this by removing the driver and running in vesa with the 915resolution program. 915resolution It works fine for me, thanks, As I understand, it is for older intel graphics, but as I understand because of X changes in Hipster, if it works better for newer hardware , so let it be. Drivers would need porting DRM/KMS on illumos to move forward, anyway. I started to play with making the ubuntu partition work better with our network and settings, getting sccs, autofs, openldap relication, etc. etc. working, and in the process of mounting my zfs root (to access the /etc directory of OI) I managed to stop a working BE from booting, meaning that I was forced to use a BE after the upgrades that broke all of the above. I managed to do fresh install of 20141010 Hipster to VirtualBox and then zfs send/zfs receive of BE to previously emptied BE on bare metal, together with VBox instal user dataset, so one can log in). that way I effectively got fresh install of Oi, without touching numerous OI /dev installs I have. Consequently, Ubuntu died on my laptop during an system upgrade where it decided to uninstall the Intel graphics and disk drivers (would have been a serious win for beadm btw) and rather than trash the computer and all the settings I bought a new internal drive to copy all of my files. Yesterday I managed to totally block Ubuntu LTS from booting, simply by putting UUID of swapa partition in it's /etc/fstab... It is not quite resilient as OI during upgrade, to make sure you alaways have working environement with BE's like OI does. My laptop was dual boot on an 80Gb harddisk. I bought a new 1TB harddisk (was wondering about SSD, but felt that if I wanted to run Illumos I'd be better with spinning rust because of TRIM) ... I thought about the issues as stated above ... and I installed just Ubuntu on it. Dunno what would be TRIM problems in illumos, if any, yet I still have OI's on 120GB partition and currently 28 BE's :) I feel a little guilty about it, like cheating on your first love, but I Yeah, if I were not able to set resolution with your 915resolution patch, my love would also eat a basket till now I suppose ;P don't feel guilty about the 25 second boot times (as opposed to 5 mins) or the fact that I can run programs without them crashing. It also allows me access to more updated versions of software, and versions not available on Solaris (chromium, etc) As a fact, there were Chromium port to Opensolaris/OI/Solaris but it
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
Hans J Albertsson schrieb am Thursday 04 June 2015 15.47:31: On this note, does anyone use FreeBSD/PC-BSD as a desktop? Yes I use PC-BSD on one of my secondary desktops. It's nice. The only problems that I had, occurred when I was a little too careless with ports and installed some graphics drivers. They provide nice GUI's for Jails and all their programs so you rarely need to use the Commandline. I haven't tested Lumina though, only used KDE. So as long as you are careful with ports It's worth a shot. But you will run into the same Problems as in OI when you require Closed-Source Program's. Some are just not there yet. Greetings Till ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
In message ca+q0gfcx_y5ss-tao4sag0dj_eyx+t1vceo3dd52-z28rqb...@mail.gmail.com , Hans J Albertsson writes: On this note, does anyone use FreeBSD/PC-BSD as a desktop? Yes, with OI and OmniOS running in VBox for development. John groenv...@acm.org ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
On 06/ 4/15 04:27 PM, Till Wegmüller wrote: Hans J Albertsson schrieb am Thursday 04 June 2015 15.47:31: On this note, does anyone use FreeBSD/PC-BSD as a desktop? Yes I use PC-BSD on one of my secondary desktops. It's nice. Please socialize here about Openindiana... illumos share code with BSDs, if that matters, yet illumos prefers CDDL as it is copyleft license. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
Just a note to say that I have stopped using OI on the desktop, and have moved to the backup system of Ubuntu on the laptop. Really? I am deeply touched! OI Hipster no longer worked well with Firefox provided on the Mozilla website (every time a dialog box appeared there was a 50% chance it would crash, and a 100% chance if the mouse cursor went near it), and the version 24 in the repository didn't run flash at all, so I couldn't use the Enterprise Manager from Oracle. I got around this using Martin Bochnig's version for which I was very grateful. The real problem is that OI has no community---just people who contribute almost nothing (of course there are brilliant exceptions...) and who are always critical about this and about that. Firefox is being compiled on Indiana 134 and that's the problem. In the past I compiled gimp 2.8 on the same system and although it worked just fine, when I tried on OpenIndiana and a friend tried on Solaris 11, it did not work at all. So be my guest and compile it on your system and make it work! Adobe Acrobat 9.4.1, the latest version for Solaris does not work as it should. Adobe stopped shipping binaries for Solaris, guess why? As about the drivers, why don't you work on the new driver? Linux was made what it is today because many people worked and contributed code for various projects. Once there was some rumors that a team of people would work in German university to build things, I guess nothing happened. Yet this would be an ideal experiment since students have the potential and the enthusiasm required for such a project. So instead of reporting such things, please try to improve the situation! A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
Just a note to say that I have stopped using OI on the desktop, and have moved to the backup system of Ubuntu on the laptop. OI Hipster no longer worked well with Firefox provided on the Mozilla website (every time a dialog box appeared there was a 50% chance it would crash, and a 100% chance if the mouse cursor went near it), and the version 24 in the repository didn't run flash at all, so I couldn't use the Enterprise Manager from Oracle. I got around this using Martin Bochnig's version for which I was very grateful. The Mozilla provided Thunderbird suffered the same issues as Mozilla provided Firefox, dialog boxes kill it (file attachment to emails was an instant death, open with the same) and the OS provided Thunderbird core dumped without starting. I could get around the file attachment by dragging and dropping from the file explorer onto the message, I could live with the open with by letting it use the default application (which didn't work) then picking the files up from /tmp in the correct application. The Adobe Reader 9.3 core dumped instantly. I know that evince works well as a PDF viewer, but since I work with Electronically signed documents; Adobe is the only graphical application that deals with these correctly. I worked around it by not checking any signing of the document. There is no longer a working Intel graphics driver, although I could get around this by removing the driver and running in vesa with the 915resolution program. I started to play with making the ubuntu partition work better with our network and settings, getting sccs, autofs, openldap relication, etc. etc. working, and in the process of mounting my zfs root (to access the /etc directory of OI) I managed to stop a working BE from booting, meaning that I was forced to use a BE after the upgrades that broke all of the above. Consequently, Ubuntu died on my laptop during an system upgrade where it decided to uninstall the Intel graphics and disk drivers (would have been a serious win for beadm btw) and rather than trash the computer and all the settings I bought a new internal drive to copy all of my files. My laptop was dual boot on an 80Gb harddisk. I bought a new 1TB harddisk (was wondering about SSD, but felt that if I wanted to run Illumos I'd be better with spinning rust because of TRIM) ... I thought about the issues as stated above ... and I installed just Ubuntu on it. I feel a little guilty about it, like cheating on your first love, but I don't feel guilty about the 25 second boot times (as opposed to 5 mins) or the fact that I can run programs without them crashing. It also allows me access to more updated versions of software, and versions not available on Solaris (chromium, etc) I'm still keeping OI on the servers, ZFS root FS, Virtual network interfaces and Zones are brilliant, and no OS can compete, but I have decided to give up on the desktop. Thanks for reading this. Jon ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No longer using OI Desktop
On this note, does anyone use FreeBSD/PC-BSD as a desktop? Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 4 jun 2015 11:00 skrev Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com: Just a note to say that I have stopped using OI on the desktop, and have moved to the backup system of Ubuntu on the laptop. OI Hipster no longer worked well with Firefox provided on the Mozilla website (every time a dialog box appeared there was a 50% chance it would crash, and a 100% chance if the mouse cursor went near it), and the version 24 in the repository didn't run flash at all, so I couldn't use the Enterprise Manager from Oracle. I got around this using Martin Bochnig's version for which I was very grateful. The Mozilla provided Thunderbird suffered the same issues as Mozilla provided Firefox, dialog boxes kill it (file attachment to emails was an instant death, open with the same) and the OS provided Thunderbird core dumped without starting. I could get around the file attachment by dragging and dropping from the file explorer onto the message, I could live with the open with by letting it use the default application (which didn't work) then picking the files up from /tmp in the correct application. The Adobe Reader 9.3 core dumped instantly. I know that evince works well as a PDF viewer, but since I work with Electronically signed documents; Adobe is the only graphical application that deals with these correctly. I worked around it by not checking any signing of the document. There is no longer a working Intel graphics driver, although I could get around this by removing the driver and running in vesa with the 915resolution program. I started to play with making the ubuntu partition work better with our network and settings, getting sccs, autofs, openldap relication, etc. etc. working, and in the process of mounting my zfs root (to access the /etc directory of OI) I managed to stop a working BE from booting, meaning that I was forced to use a BE after the upgrades that broke all of the above. Consequently, Ubuntu died on my laptop during an system upgrade where it decided to uninstall the Intel graphics and disk drivers (would have been a serious win for beadm btw) and rather than trash the computer and all the settings I bought a new internal drive to copy all of my files. My laptop was dual boot on an 80Gb harddisk. I bought a new 1TB harddisk (was wondering about SSD, but felt that if I wanted to run Illumos I'd be better with spinning rust because of TRIM) ... I thought about the issues as stated above ... and I installed just Ubuntu on it. I feel a little guilty about it, like cheating on your first love, but I don't feel guilty about the 25 second boot times (as opposed to 5 mins) or the fact that I can run programs without them crashing. It also allows me access to more updated versions of software, and versions not available on Solaris (chromium, etc) I'm still keeping OI on the servers, ZFS root FS, Virtual network interfaces and Zones are brilliant, and no OS can compete, but I have decided to give up on the desktop. Thanks for reading this. Jon ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
