Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, John D Groenveld wrote: > Lots of options for running legacy software on top of illumos and > we are still 6 days from Rich Teer's favorite holiday. Talk about an unexpected random mention! :-) Long time, no speak John! Hope all is well with you. Cheers, -- Rich Teer ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
In message <66a5d993-be4a-4d51-bae5-6e96165ca...@me.com>, Toomas Soome via open indiana-discuss writes: >If that is required, then the only option are solaris 11.4, oracle linux 6 & 7 >, redhat 6 & 7. S10 will run as s10 branded zone and the Studio compilers too. http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/manifest/0/system%2Fzones%2Fbrand%2Fs10%400.5.11%2C5.11-2020.0.1.20420%3A20210325T022259Z> My WAG is Sun Pro Solaris Studio Developer for Oracle Unbreakable Linux [tm] will run on Centos as a lx branded zone. https://omnios.org/info/lxzones> Oracle Solaris 11.4 will run on VirtualBox and kvm. http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/manifest/0/system%2Fvirtualbox%406.1.18%2C5.11-2020.0.1.1%3A20210220T081558Z> http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/manifest/0/system%2Fzones%2Fbrand%2Fkvm%400.5.11%2C5.11-2020.0.1.5549%3A20210127T073524Z> Lots of options for running legacy software on top of illumos and we are still 6 days from Rich Teer's favorite holiday. John groenv...@acm.org ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
On 3/24/21 11:13 AM, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote: I've still not found the Oracle EULA for 11.4. It depends on whether you're paying for it or not. If you're not paying, then: https://www.oracle.com/downloads/licenses/solaris-cluster-express-license.html If you're paying, I believe the license terms are included with the support contract terms, but I don't have a handy URL for those. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Engineering - https://blogs.oracle.com/alanc ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
Thanks to all. I've still not found the Oracle EULA for 11.4. They've got a manual for a huge list of other stuff. I'll probably have to download it to find the terms. I found a claim on the internet that indefinite use of 11.4 for development and non-commercial, non-production use was now acceptable. As I am retired and just fooling around, if similar terms apply to Developer Studio then I'll probably get an off lease HP Z620 as my last computer system and load 11.4 and Developer Studio. That should outlast me. I use twm on the RH screen in portrait mode with a stack of full page xterms and the icon manager on the side. That let me select whichever xterm I want to work in. I had unlimited history and scrollback set. So I could easily switch between tasks that went on for months without having to keep detailed notes. Each xterm has a name. Two mouse clicks and it's the top terminal in the stack. Very handy if you're doing bespoke research for people. If they walked in my office with questions I immediately had all the work I'd done for them up in front of me. Particularly useful if your standard program name is tst. I had all my command line history and all my files in a directory matching the xterm name so it was easy to change some parameter. To keep the web browser and 3rd party stuff happy, I ran dtwm on the LH screen in landscape mode. This was all Solaris 8 on an Ultra 60. One day I got a call from the sys admin asking if he could take me down after work for some patches. It'd been up for 467 days! I switched to twm on both screens when I started running a netbox for OI151_a6. But had to switch to a Z400 when Firefox would no longer run on a system with 2 GB of RAM. I used some now long forgotten feature of the CDE startup to implement the dual window managers. Should someone want to do multiple window managers I'd recommend using a console login and starting X explicitly. With multiple screens you should be able to test the same application across multiple window managers simply by switching screens. Disentangling screens in the current X setups is a nightmare of complexity. I think the root cause is the multiple "desktops aka workspaces". Have Fun Reg ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
> My Solaris 10 u8 instance is rather dated. I'd like to update it, but there > are some absolute requirements: well, still have a 10 usomthing running for SunRay:) > Sun/Forte/Oracle Developer Studio the old studiocompiler 12.1u1 runs fine if that is ok with your demands > twm window manager on at least one screen not really a MATE fan, I have twm running with xdm-login as login manager. you”on one screen” puzzles me a bit. That is different window managers on on parts of a multiheaded gui console? Didn’t know that this works, sounds strange to me. > ZFS filesystem so, well, yes, OI comes with zfs and as I remember, I imported old Solaris 10 pools, but that was some time ago. I recomend that you test that on a test installation for yourself and share your findings > must be stable long term hm, well, that could be a problem, better stay current and isolate those apps you desperatly need and that demand for old OS versions, virtualised in containers. I run my SunRay environment that way, have it setup in a Solaris 10 virtual instance, it serves the still operating SunRay DTUs in kiosk mode. You may use SmartOS as a virtualizer and setup OI instances and instances with other/older OSes as you need them for your applications. Depends a bit on your needs and the compute power and memory of your systems Still I need some time to test the new Firefox for OI, maybe over the easter weekend. It would be great since most stuff needed here is a webbrowser. Rolf ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
On 24.03.21 09:08, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss wrote: On 24. Mar 2021, at 02:50, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote: My Solaris 10 u8 instance is rather dated. I'd like to update it, but there are some absolute requirements: Sun/Forte/Oracle Developer Studio If that is required, then the only option are solaris 11.4, oracle linux 6 & 7, redhat 6 & 7. SunStudio 12.1u1 can still be transported from one instance of OI to another if you still have the installation packages or rsync the /opt/SUNWspro directory and set the links into /usr/bin etc. by hand. We have it running on an 2018.10 Hipster x86. Don't know if the same applies to Sparc, but I suspect that it will work, too. Versions later that 12.1u1 have strict license restrictions, and since 12.4 it's binary incompatible and only available via the pkg repositories (for which you need service contracts). ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
> On 24. Mar 2021, at 02:50, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss > wrote: > > My Solaris 10 u8 instance is rather dated. I'd like to update it, but there > are some absolute requirements: > > Sun/Forte/Oracle Developer Studio If that is required, then the only option are solaris 11.4, oracle linux 6 & 7, redhat 6 & 7. > twm window manager on at least one screen > ZFS filesystem > must be stable long term That is a tricky one. rgds, toomas > > If needed I'll consider creating and supporting an LTS branch of Hipster. > > Split screen with MATE on one screen and twm on another is acceptable. I ran > dtwm on one screen of u8 until I took it off line. I did that by playing > games with CDE. 15 years ago it was the only option. MATE is tolerable for > applications that need all that window management stuff. But a clean dual > screen twm and no external network would be just fine. Moving the cable on a > 4 TB USB OTG disk is just fine with me. > > For some reason, about a month ago u8 quit saving core files. I spent > several hours reading man pages today trying to figure out what is wrong. > Dumpadm(1m) will not let me set either swap or /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump as > the dump device. It's not a space issue as the root pool has about 50 GB > free. Having worked reliably for 10 years it's rather annoying. > > I'm *really* tired of this cage fight. > > Reg > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing Solaris 10 u8
My Solaris 10 u8 instance is rather dated. I'd like to update it, but there are some absolute requirements: Sun/Forte/Oracle Developer Studio twm window manager on at least one screen ZFS filesystem must be stable long term If needed I'll consider creating and supporting an LTS branch of Hipster. Split screen with MATE on one screen and twm on another is acceptable. I ran dtwm on one screen of u8 until I took it off line. I did that by playing games with CDE. 15 years ago it was the only option. MATE is tolerable for applications that need all that window management stuff. But a clean dual screen twm and no external network would be just fine. Moving the cable on a 4 TB USB OTG disk is just fine with me. For some reason, about a month ago u8 quit saving core files. I spent several hours reading man pages today trying to figure out what is wrong. Dumpadm(1m) will not let me set either swap or /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump as the dump device. It's not a space issue as the root pool has about 50 GB free. Having worked reliably for 10 years it's rather annoying. I'm *really* tired of this cage fight. Reg ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
