Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Has the code for Solaris 11 been released as was once the plan? If so, I suppose that features can always get moved over into OI (and from there into FreeBSD, etc). If Solaris is now closed-source for good, then all bets are off, though. Mike ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Too much a noob to be able to figure this out for myself. I see what appears to be a serious lot of new stuff in release notes of oracle-solaris 11. Can anyone compare that new OS with oi espeically considering the usage being a home nas. (So maybe not needing many of the sol 11 enhancements but still curious if sol 11 has outstripped oi overall) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Come to think of it... do you think OI will be able to continue supporting usparcIII if Oracle doesn't? I don't really care since I really should retire that beast but others might like to know. On 11/10/11 02:14 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 11/10/11 11:09, Daniel Kjar wrote: First thing I noticed when I tried to install it on my blade1000 was that support for ultrasparc III is now gone. Won't even let you install. Yes, that was announced a while ago on the EOF pages. Support for 32-bit x86 and UltraSPARC II/III/IV CPU's were dropped for Solaris 11. -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Hardware support aside, the most important question should be about ZFS. If Oracle does not make the latest ZFS code available, will the ZFS we already have be able to match the other ZFS, if it comes to that? File system encryption in the latest ZFS is a killer feature, in my opinion. Is any person or group able to step up and implement features like that in illumos' ZFS if Oracle balks? -- Fini D. Come to think of it... do you think OI will be able to continue supporting usparcIII if Oracle doesn't? I don't really care since I really should retire that beast but others might like to know. On 11/10/11 02:14 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 11/10/11 11:09, Daniel Kjar wrote: First thing I noticed when I tried to install it on my blade1000 was that support for ultrasparc III is now gone. Won't even let you install. Yes, that was announced a while ago on the EOF pages. Support for 32-bit x86 and UltraSPARC II/III/IV CPU's were dropped for Solaris 11. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Can we run OI on UltraSPARC? I thought it was still only x86? I have a number of old SunFire V250s, V240 and V440 that I'd be interested in keeping going for a while longer yet. I had missed the notice about the official Solaris 11 not working on UltraSPARC III/IV. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu wrote: Come to think of it... do you think OI will be able to continue supporting usparcIII if Oracle doesn't? I don't really care since I really should retire that beast but others might like to know. On 11/10/11 02:14 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 11/10/11 11:09, Daniel Kjar wrote: First thing I noticed when I tried to install it on my blade1000 was that support for ultrasparc III is now gone. Won't even let you install. Yes, that was announced a while ago on the EOF pages. Support for 32-bit x86 and UltraSPARC II/III/IV CPU's were dropped for Solaris 11. -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/**dkjar http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson __**_ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@**openindiana.orgOpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/**mailman/listinfo/openindiana-**discusshttp://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
On 11/10/11 12:33, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: File system encryption in the latest ZFS is a killer feature, in my opinion. it's very slick functionality but I wouldn't trust it or use it for anything that mattered unless either the source, or a spec detailed enough to allow for an independent interoperable implementation, is released. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Hardware support aside, the most important question should be about ZFS. If Oracle does not make the latest ZFS code available, will the ZFS we already have be able to match the other ZFS, if it comes to that? File system encryption in the latest ZFS is a killer feature, in my opinion. Is any person or group able to step up and implement features like that in illumos' ZFS if Oracle balks? Seems to me with most of the open Solaris distros basing off Illumos, as well as, the future of ZFS on FreeBSD (and I'd assume the ZFS on Linux project)...it seems to me ZFS on S11 will cease to be the canonical reference standard. Seems like a Jenkins CI/Hudson CI situation to me. -J ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Should OI continue to support UltraSparc II/III/IV systems if possible? I sure hope so. I have Solaris 11 Express still running on my SparcBlade 2000, because, to the best of my knowledge, there are no OI iso images for Sparc. The fact that Solaris 11 Express runs fine on these systems, and Solaris 11 GA does not load tells me that support for these boxes were discontinued for some reason other than technical reasons, i.e. politics, financial, etc. Supporting recently discontinued Sparc systems seems to be a great way to pick up additional OI converts. Jerry On 11/10/11 02:25 PM, Daniel Kjar wrote: Come to think of it... do you think OI will be able to continue supporting usparcIII if Oracle doesn't? I don't really care since I really should retire that beast but others might like to know. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
Hello Dave, Thank you for the link. I apparently parrot'ed 90% of the URL that you provided below (5) months after the fact. My follow on question, is that in the time that has passed since the event in the URL that you presented, has anything changed regarding support for Sparc? Jerry On 11/10/11 04:23 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: On 11 Nov, 2011,at 11:07 AM, Jerry Kemp sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc wrote: Should OI continue to support UltraSparc II/III/IV systems if possible? I sure hope so. Don't know about OI, but Ilumos developers make their feelings known about this in the panel discussion conducted a little while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyDaeQvp6O4 Cheers, Dave ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is the newly released orac-sol 11 an advance compared to oi?
On 11/10/11 16:42, James Carlson wrote: On 11/10/11 17:07, Jerry Kemp wrote: I have Solaris 11 Express still running on my SparcBlade 2000, because, to the best of my knowledge, there are no OI iso images for Sparc. The fact that Solaris 11 Express runs fine on these systems, and Solaris 11 GA does not load tells me that support for these boxes were discontinued for some reason other than technical reasons, i.e. politics, financial, etc. I think it's pretty unfair to charge the good folks still lingering at Oracle in that way. I was involved with a number of technical reviews of support plans at Sun, and I strongly doubt that it's ever as simple as calling it just a business decision. Often, the reason install has been disabled is that support for some key component has become impossible due to a third party license issue. Or the component itself cannot support some key new kernel feature. Or spare parts have run out and it's no longer possible to maintain the necessary test infrastructure. Right - one example was the dropping of 32-bit SPARC CPU support in Solaris 10. Various features like DTrace that were being added in Solaris 10 could probably have been made to work with them, but the added complexity, engineering effort and delay in time to market were decided to not be worth the business value of trying to make them work on hardware so old that there was little future support revenue for it, and most enterprise customers with them would likely be doing a hardware upgrade when it was time to move to Solaris 10 anyway. Sure that annoyed people who had a SPARC 20 that they'd saved from the scrap heap and were running at home, but those people don't pay the developers salaries. This case is a similar example - some future projects (about which I cannot give details at this time, sorry) would be much more complex and take much longer to implement if they also had to support the UltraSPARC II, III, IV series CPU's, so the joint technical/business decision was made not to do so, given that customers with them have many years of Solaris 10 support life left and when those customers are ready to move to Solaris 11, almost all of those systems will be past the end of the hardware support life. (BTW, just in case anyone has forgotten, despite what my e-mail address says, all mail messages to forums like this are my own opinion knowledge, not an official Oracle statement, nor is it possible for any Oracle employee to know everything happening in this company, so don't go off the deep end if you think I'm wrong.) -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
