Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Thanks Jonathan. You are absolutely right. Use your mailfilter! Can someone hating Martins posts please explain to me why they DO NOT USE THIS FILTER? It might be manhunting after all? 23 sep. 2014 schreef: I'm sorry to even be involved in this discussion ... My brother and his wife were removed from viewing and accessing the Church Facebook page in a nasty little spat. 2 people had a falling out, lets call them jack and jill, with jack saying something in the heat of the moment by email. jack was then immediately blocked from the Facebook page by jill. jill stated that it was for the good of the group that that person be eliminated. Someone else stood up for jack saying that it was in the heat of the moment and that if they both calmed down and talked to each other that everyone would see sense. jill then blocked them. Another person then blocked jill to stop her blocking people who disagreed with her. That person was then blocked by someone who felt that jill was possibly right. jill at this point had validation that she was right. Another person tried to side with jack, and then things got screwy. both teams found a person with the ability to block and started blocking people, _in_case_ they took sides. Overnight the church was in uproar, including people who never went on facebook, and some who didn't even know what it was. It fell to the vicar to pull jack and jill into an office and tell them the facts straight. everyone was given access again, and at the end of it, the only thing that was certain was that no one could trust any of the people who had blocked others to have the ability to block others in future. do what has been suggested, if you don't want to see emails from a person, and filter them. do stop adding to this discussion ... the one with the inflammatory subject from Martin. Please stop saying that a community is damaged because it either does, or doesn't block someone from it's list. Remember that all people are different we don't all think the same way ... if all great minds think alike then how do we create new ideas? There will always be disagreements, working out how to get through them is the important thing ... sometimes that means just letting things slide. Jon On 23 September 2014 16:05, G B via openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org wrote: Too much for an operating system technical discussion. How sad OI has devolved into this. Theo was removed from his commit privileges to NetBSD for being rude to other developers and users, yet OI won't remove someone from a mailing list for irrational behavior? On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:01 AM, Nikola M. minik...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/23/14 01:56 PM, Laurent Blume wrote: Obviously, you don't know Martin. I've refrained from intervening in those threads for what, more than one year now? Just because I also hoped it would stop. It hasn't. I think everyone refrained from answering actually. So what. I don't want THIS discussion to be stopped. I would have liked it stated that none will happen again. But it is okay, I'm not willing to hide behind anybody, I'll kick the one person I can kick out of this list. No-one would need to be put off the list for personal preferences. That is just wrong. I think we made a progress here, and if you think you should not see someone's posts, _use your freaking mail client filter_. Someone thinking of kicking people around should reconsider he's own behavior. That said, I think this manhunt should stop now. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-@ Mail. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 09/22/14 09:59 PM, Laurent Blume wrote: I've yet to see anything about technology and not blatant politics or insults in that thread. What thread? You are inventing someting? This thread? As I understand this blatant thread started when you misinterpreted asking not to talk about world politics in general, with call for killing people's ability to post to this list if they do. And those are definitively 2 different things. One is positive and thoughtful, yours is just negative. So you got it wrong, it is your who just invented bashing people for posting. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
You do not need a list administrator tot stop this disvussion. All YOU have to do is shut up. Stop reacting. Don't try tot hide behind the back of someone else just tot kick somebody off this list. Because it is nog about stopping this conversation nut soms very narrow minded egos want to have their way. Childish... 22 sep. 2014 schreef: Le 2014/09/22 19:38 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: Yes. Only discriminating people for their political views (that they express, beside talking on topic subjects) would be also unacceptable. (Beside we generally don't want other politics then software ones). If someone discuss something about technology, then adds at the end of he's message something else in signature or something, it could not be considered whole message off topic. It was practice in ancient Rome it is still merely normal. I've yet to see anything about technology and not blatant politics or insults in that thread. No idea what they used as a Solaris distro in ancient Rome, but their political discussions in arenas filled with hungry lions was lacking in term of having a second debate. So, is there somebody administering this list that will step up and say this is stopping, now? Thank you, Laurent ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-@ Mail. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Wow! Obviously you don't know Martin, because he won't stop. Removing myself from the mailing lists for OI. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:01 AM, Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl wrote: You do not need a list administrator tot stop this disvussion. All YOU have to do is shut up. Stop reacting. Don't try tot hide behind the back of someone else just tot kick somebody off this list. Because it is nog about stopping this conversation nut soms very narrow minded egos want to have their way. Childish... 22 sep. 2014 schreef: Le 2014/09/22 19:38 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: Yes. Only discriminating people for their political views (that they express, beside talking on topic subjects) would be also unacceptable. (Beside we generally don't want other politics then software ones). If someone discuss something about technology, then adds at the end of he's message something else in signature or something, it could not be considered whole message off topic. It was practice in ancient Rome it is still merely normal. I've yet to see anything about technology and not blatant politics or insults in that thread. No idea what they used as a Solaris distro in ancient Rome, but their political discussions in arenas filled with hungry lions was lacking in term of having a second debate. So, is there somebody administering this list that will step up and say this is stopping, now? Thank you, Laurent ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-@ Mail. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 23/09/14 22:41, G B via openindiana-discuss wrote: Wow! Obviously you don't know Martin, because he won't stop. This is precisely the point, and backed up by the evidence thus far. It's also the reason why mailing lists and forums, generally, /have some form of moderation presence to begin with/. Something that those issuing condescending remarks about supposed childish behaviour are conveniently forgetting. Removing myself from the mailing lists for OI. I'd ask you to please reconsider: no-one should feel they have to do this given the particular circumstances. -- Dave Koelmeyer http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Obviously, you don't know Martin. I've refrained from intervening in those threads for what, more than one year now? Just because I also hoped it would stop. It hasn't. I don't want THIS discussion to be stopped. I would have liked it stated that none will happen again. But it is okay, I'm not willing to hide behind anybody, I'll kick the one person I can kick out of this list. Laurent Le 2014/09/23 10:00 +0200, Dick Hoogendijk a écrit: You do not need a list administrator tot stop this disvussion. All YOU have to do is shut up. Stop reacting. Don't try tot hide behind the back of someone else just tot kick somebody off this list. Because it is nog about stopping this conversation nut soms very narrow minded egos want to have their way. Childish... 22 sep. 2014 schreef: Le 2014/09/22 19:38 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: Yes. Only discriminating people for their political views (that they express, beside talking on topic subjects) would be also unacceptable. (Beside we generally don't want other politics then software ones). If someone discuss something about technology, then adds at the end of he's message something else in signature or something, it could not be considered whole message off topic. It was practice in ancient Rome it is still merely normal. I've yet to see anything about technology and not blatant politics or insults in that thread. No idea what they used as a Solaris distro in ancient Rome, but their political discussions in arenas filled with hungry lions was lacking in term of having a second debate. So, is there somebody administering this list that will step up and say this is stopping, now? Thank you, Laurent ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-@ Mail. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 09/23/14 01:56 PM, Laurent Blume wrote: Obviously, you don't know Martin. I've refrained from intervening in those threads for what, more than one year now? Just because I also hoped it would stop. It hasn't. I think everyone refrained from answering actually. So what. I don't want THIS discussion to be stopped. I would have liked it stated that none will happen again. But it is okay, I'm not willing to hide behind anybody, I'll kick the one person I can kick out of this list. No-one would need to be put off the list for personal preferences. That is just wrong. I think we made a progress here, and if you think you should not see someone's posts, _use your freaking mail client filter_. Someone thinking of kicking people around should reconsider he's own behavior. That said, I think this manhunt should stop now. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Too much for an operating system technical discussion. How sad OI has devolved into this. Theo was removed from his commit privileges to NetBSD for being rude to other developers and users, yet OI won't remove someone from a mailing list for irrational behavior? On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:01 AM, Nikola M. minik...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/23/14 01:56 PM, Laurent Blume wrote: Obviously, you don't know Martin. I've refrained from intervening in those threads for what, more than one year now? Just because I also hoped it would stop. It hasn't. I think everyone refrained from answering actually. So what. I don't want THIS discussion to be stopped. I would have liked it stated that none will happen again. But it is okay, I'm not willing to hide behind anybody, I'll kick the one person I can kick out of this list. No-one would need to be put off the list for personal preferences. That is just wrong. I think we made a progress here, and if you think you should not see someone's posts, _use your freaking mail client filter_. Someone thinking of kicking people around should reconsider he's own behavior. That said, I think this manhunt should stop now. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
I'm sorry to even be involved in this discussion ... My brother and his wife were removed from viewing and accessing the Church Facebook page in a nasty little spat. 2 people had a falling out, lets call them jack and jill, with jack saying something in the heat of the moment by email. jack was then immediately blocked from the Facebook page by jill. jill stated that it was for the good of the group that that person be eliminated. Someone else stood up for jack saying that it was in the heat of the moment and that if they both calmed down and talked to each other that everyone would see sense. jill then blocked them. Another person then blocked jill to stop her blocking people who disagreed with her. That person was then blocked by someone who felt that jill was possibly right. jill at this point had validation that she was right. Another person tried to side with jack, and then things got screwy. both teams found a person with the ability to block and started blocking people, _in_case_ they took sides. Overnight the church was in uproar, including people who never went on facebook, and some who didn't even know what it was. It fell to the vicar to pull jack and jill into an office and tell them the facts straight. everyone was given access again, and at the end of it, the only thing that was certain was that no one could trust any of the people who had blocked others to have the ability to block others in future. do what has been suggested, if you don't want to see emails from a person, and filter them. do stop adding to this discussion ... the one with the inflammatory subject from Martin. Please stop saying that a community is damaged because it either does, or doesn't block someone from it's list. Remember that all people are different we don't all think the same way ... if all great minds think alike then how do we create new ideas? There will always be disagreements, working out how to get through them is the important thing ... sometimes that means just letting things slide. Jon On 23 September 2014 16:05, G B via openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org wrote: Too much for an operating system technical discussion. How sad OI has devolved into this. Theo was removed from his commit privileges to NetBSD for being rude to other developers and users, yet OI won't remove someone from a mailing list for irrational behavior? On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:01 AM, Nikola M. minik...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/23/14 01:56 PM, Laurent Blume wrote: Obviously, you don't know Martin. I've refrained from intervening in those threads for what, more than one year now? Just because I also hoped it would stop. It hasn't. I think everyone refrained from answering actually. So what. I don't want THIS discussion to be stopped. I would have liked it stated that none will happen again. But it is okay, I'm not willing to hide behind anybody, I'll kick the one person I can kick out of this list. No-one would need to be put off the list for personal preferences. That is just wrong. I think we made a progress here, and if you think you should not see someone's posts, _use your freaking mail client filter_. Someone thinking of kicking people around should reconsider he's own behavior. That said, I think this manhunt should stop now. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 09/23/14 08:05 AM, G B via openindiana-discuss wrote: yet OI won't remove someone from a mailing list for irrational behavior? Don't confuse neglect and lack of an active owner for someone consciously deciding to continue the status quo. Is there anyone around who still actively manages these lists? -alan- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 24/09/14 03:25, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 09/23/14 08:05 AM, G B via openindiana-discuss wrote: yet OI won't remove someone from a mailing list for irrational behavior? Don't confuse neglect and lack of an active owner for someone consciously deciding to continue the status quo. Is there anyone around who still actively manages these lists? No reply via the contact address for the nominal list owner at this stage at least. Cheers, Dave -- Dave Koelmeyer http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Le 2014/09/20 11:15 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: On 09/15/14 11:20 AM, Krzysztof Grzempa wrote: Well, for me it is mistake to mix up technology with politics. I respects +1 only thing, we can't stop people doing that, we can only ask them to. The off-topic traffic can and should most definitely be stopped on this list, and I'm joining those asking that it stops now. There are other, many, free, perfectly valid outlets to express one's political views. If you want to use them, join them. Laurent ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 09/22/14 10:55 AM, Laurent Blume wrote: Le 2014/09/20 11:15 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: On 09/15/14 11:20 AM, Krzysztof Grzempa wrote: Well, for me it is mistake to mix up technology with politics. I respects +1 only thing, we can't stop people doing that, we can only ask them to. The off-topic traffic can and should most definitely be stopped on this list, and I'm joining those asking that it stops now. There are other, many, free, perfectly valid outlets to express one's political views. If you want to use them, join them. Laurent Yes. Only discriminating people for their political views (that they express, beside talking on topic subjects) would be also unacceptable. (Beside we generally don't want other politics then software ones). If someone discuss something about technology, then adds at the end of he's message something else in signature or something, it could not be considered whole message off topic. It was practice in ancient Rome it is still merely normal. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Le 2014/09/22 19:38 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: Yes. Only discriminating people for their political views (that they express, beside talking on topic subjects) would be also unacceptable. (Beside we generally don't want other politics then software ones). If someone discuss something about technology, then adds at the end of he's message something else in signature or something, it could not be considered whole message off topic. It was practice in ancient Rome it is still merely normal. I've yet to see anything about technology and not blatant politics or insults in that thread. No idea what they used as a Solaris distro in ancient Rome, but their political discussions in arenas filled with hungry lions was lacking in term of having a second debate. So, is there somebody administering this list that will step up and say this is stopping, now? Thank you, Laurent ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
That was perfectly stated! And I completely agree that whoever is administering the list needs to end it now. On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:59 PM, Laurent Blume laurent...@elanor.org wrote: Le 2014/09/22 19:38 +0200, Nikola M. a écrit: Yes. Only discriminating people for their political views (that they express, beside talking on topic subjects) would be also unacceptable. (Beside we generally don't want other politics then software ones). If someone discuss something about technology, then adds at the end of he's message something else in signature or something, it could not be considered whole message off topic. It was practice in ancient Rome it is still merely normal. I've yet to see anything about technology and not blatant politics or insults in that thread. No idea what they used as a Solaris distro in ancient Rome, but their political discussions in arenas filled with hungry lions was lacking in term of having a second debate. So, is there somebody administering this list that will step up and say this is stopping, now? Thank you, Laurent ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
On 09/15/14 11:20 AM, Krzysztof Grzempa wrote: Well, for me it is mistake to mix up technology with politics. I respects +1 only thing, we can't stop people doing that, we can only ask them to. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE/SPARC: It was a mistake to keep the site online.
Well, for me it is mistake to mix up technology with politics. I respects the right of having opinion (everybody has it right?) but I strongly belive that it should be separate from technology blog where expectation was to find technical data about the distro.. Well, if you decide to drop the project thats your call.. We(me?)(the idiots) will find other way.. Cheers, 2014-09-14 19:02 GMT+02:00 Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org: It was a mistake to keep the site online. Cordial thanks nevertheless to the few fellows, who have proven to be true friends. And although I wanted to publish the src long ago (and in fact did contribute openly [in real-time openly] from 2005 till 2009), now that's the final nail in the coffin. p.s. to Nikola: You stated long ago, that you are not a coder, so what are your plans with the src? Furthermore it is nonsense what you write about the CDDL terms. The CDDL permits the developer to keep the src closed, similar to the Xorg license. For this reason the exact opposite of what Mr. Nikola wrote. He is a person who never ever did _anything_ for OpenSXCE, SPARC nor for myself. What gives him the riht to place demand after demand after demand??? I saw a number of folks throw around with their plans and technical terms. It is almost funny. The most ridiculous part was with the alldged Putin-backdoor which one smart person (from Poland?) expects to be hidden in OpenSXCE. For such blind idiots I no longer waste my time. Also sad, that only a friend pointed out that OpenSXCE was until today also available for x86/x64. Even with native Intel gfx support via DRM/GEM Plus with native support for the final Adobe Flash plugin (no loading order workaround nor anything else LD* related). I bet a million that there will never be any distro coming only remotely close to OpenSXCE. http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2014-September/date.html NEVER AGAIN! What a zombified world ...:( http://opensxce.blogspot.de/ https://www.facebook.com/OpenSXCE https://twitter.com/martinbochnig http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/ As nobody reading OI lists ever took the time to read my README, now I include it here, as opensxce.org is now offline: http://svr4.opensxce.org/RELEASE_NOTES__OpenSXCE2014.05_x86_x64_INTEL32-64_AMD32-64sun4u_sun4v_SPARC.txt http://svr4.opensxce.org/RELEASE_NOTES__OpenSXCE2014.05_x86_x64_INTEL32-64_AMD32-64sun4u_sun4v_SPARC.txt ### WHAT's NEW in 2014.05 x86/x64 Intel32/64 AMD32/64: http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/DVD/ http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/USB/ http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/VHDD__7GB_FULLINSTALL/ http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/REPO_redist/ http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/CD__MinimumBase__UNTESTED/ http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/USB__MinimumBase__UNTESTED/ http://svr4.opensxce.org/201405/i386/5.11/ Many bugs already fixed, see @BUGS Zones now supported (brand: SUNWsvr4pkgutil) Adobe flash-player plugin 11.x works FF29, TB29, Evolution works now, emacs now ok NVIDIA drivers included on x86 COMPIZ now included on x86, only works with NVIDIA at this time OS/Net: Illumos checkout 20140505 all ZFS compression types now supported Now additionally pre-installed onto LiveDVD/USB: Driver utility, Evolution, Emacs, FF29, TB29, Rich Lowe's gcc 444 etc ... I decided to finally ship the long promised Intel DRM/GEM/KMS port, although it is still limited and broken at this moment. All KMS-only Intel ddx'es (all the way from 2.10 to 2.22.910 / 3.0RC) do manage to negotiate GEM and KMS and come up into a typical -retro X11 root-window, but then get lost in an indefinite loop of pollsys() / ioctl(). The X11 server never gets to the point where it accepts any connections. Therefore OpenSXCE uses the one of OpenBSD5.3's Xenocara, which is mistakenly sometimes referred to as the last UMS-capable driver, which is nonsense. While it still contains Mathhieu Herrb's UMS backports for older chipsets, new hardware requires KMS to be present, anyway in the 2010/2011 state of development. Also it requires at least a lot more of GEM support, than the DRM/GEM code included in OS/Net 147 (and hence Illumos) had. To test this, the easiest is to remove /dev/dri/card0, and then see which error messages you get ;-) Whatever, on Sandy and higher I enabled DRI2 for this release, as demonstration. glxgears (which needs AIGLX and not DRI2) works fine. xdriinfo and glxinfo also confirm, that DRI2 is up and running on Sandy (as indicated by Xorg.0.log), but as soon as you want to start compiz, it segfaults and you end up in text mode (if enabled, gdm screen). Whatever, I
