hg: openjfx/8/graphics/rt: RT-33194: Wrapping width affects not always
Changeset: 50c8083b3df6 Author:Felipe Heidrich Date: 2013-09-30 19:35 -0700 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/graphics/rt/rev/50c8083b3df6 RT-33194: Wrapping width affects not always ! modules/graphics/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/text/PrismTextLayout.java
Re: Event for when a node gets shown on screen
Hi Pavel, Thanks. Just voted for it! :-) Best regards, > Hi Pedro, > you've hit our second oldest open feature request :-) > https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-129 > Regards, > Pavel -- Pedro Duque Vieira
hg: openjfx/8/graphics/rt: [DOC ONLY] RT-31687: Some concurrent package classes have empty javadocs
Changeset: a984a34eca51 Author:rbair Date: 2013-09-30 14:12 -0700 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/graphics/rt/rev/a984a34eca51 [DOC ONLY] RT-31687: Some concurrent package classes have empty javadocs Partial fix ! modules/graphics/src/main/java/javafx/concurrent/WorkerStateEvent.java
hg: openjfx/8/controls/rt: 5 new changesets
Changeset: 88a48547ab6c Author:jgiles Date: 2013-09-27 14:07 +1200 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/controls/rt/rev/88a48547ab6c RT-32592: CSS: Table header render is incorrectly when set style "-fx-border-*" from Platform.runLater Reviewed-by: psomashe ! modules/controls/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/scene/control/skin/TableHeaderRow.java Changeset: 42e0d1d0e0a5 Author:jgiles Date: 2013-09-30 09:38 +1300 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/controls/rt/rev/42e0d1d0e0a5 RT-25375: CSS : shadow not visible on ProgressBar, TitledPane,TabPane This patch only resolves the remaining issue in TitledPane - the issue is no longer reproducible for ProgressBar or TabPane. Reviewed-by: psomashe ! modules/controls/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/scene/control/skin/TitledPaneSkin.java Changeset: d3f0a56c635c Author:jgiles Date: 2013-09-30 13:54 +1300 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/controls/rt/rev/d3f0a56c635c RT-26604: [TreeView] ctrl shift down doesn't make visible area to follow the selection. Reviewed-by: psomashe ! modules/controls/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/scene/control/behavior/TreeViewBehavior.java Changeset: e0f5c9318547 Author:jgiles Date: 2013-09-30 14:54 +1300 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/controls/rt/rev/e0f5c9318547 RT-25484: [TableView, TreeTableView] pageUp/pageDown and ctrl+pageDown/pageUp navigates to the partly visible line. Reviewed-by: psomashe ! modules/controls/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/scene/control/skin/TreeViewSkin.java ! modules/controls/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/scene/control/skin/VirtualFlow.java Changeset: 2c2b8f13d1cb Author:leifs Date: 2013-09-30 13:56 -0700 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/controls/rt/rev/2c2b8f13d1cb RT-26861: RTL orientation, ColorPicker palette position issue. Reviewed-by: jgiles ! modules/controls/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/scene/control/skin/ComboBoxPopupControl.java
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
I'm not an apologist for Oracle, but in their defense, I can't see any commercial company telegraphing their punches by pre-announcing technology. If you want support for those platforms, feel free fork the codebase and write it. I'd be satisified if we could get high-priority bugs and performance issues taken care of and back-ported to 7 on a monthly basis. Anything beyond that is just gravy. Cheers, Mark On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Tobias Bley wrote: > The problem is the technology (no iOS/Android support) AND politics > (Oracle doesn’t speak to the community) > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > > > @Matthias, no, I am not kidding. Put your faith in the technology, not > the politics. > > > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 22:03, Matthias Hänel wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without > choking on it. Sure there > >> are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be > happy over and over again about > >> the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, > but we have a running bussiness > >> where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. > >> > >> This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an > active member of this community. > >> He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am > the counterpart by managing the > >> backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper > layers. > >> Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had > internal workshops for the developers > >> to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This > summer we focused our development > >> on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, > cleaning APIs and fixing JNI for java8. > >> > >> Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation > to our fellow developers has been > >> more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream > "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer > >> JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, > the more we got fed up over here. > >> As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us > had been held. Just to summarize > >> our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is > investment of money and time on > >> one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future > technology. > >> > >> > >> I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how > they appear over here. > >> > >> What did we heard over here from JavaOne? > >> > >> 1. JavaFX is still in development > >> 2. Dukepad is released > >> 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup > >> (4. Javafx runs in a browser) > >> > >> > >> I'll start at the bottom: > >> > >> (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use > JavaScript and web technologies as well. > >> This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure > write-once-run-anywhere applies but all tough real world > >> applications are not buildable since there is no native interfacing and > won't be cross platform in the near future.) > >> > >> 3. Larry Ellison spent 200 million dollar to win a sailing cup. > >> I don't want to image what Oracle could have been done to revolutionize > the world. I don't speak only about JavaFX, > >> there is a lot to be done with the right power. But doesn't lead to > much here. > >> > >> 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd > myself, hacking firmware and much cool stuff > >> in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I > grounded when I have seen that it was a childish puzzle > >> with lego blocks. The longer I think about that, the longer I am > getting angry to see a 100 men powered development > >> team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds. Well that > would be ok, if Oracle said that this is a demo > >> on a prototyping board and the important platforms will follow soon. No > word about iOS, Android, Windows8. > >> Do you really believe that there are many people to build a Tablet like > this? I am really sure non of the major > >> hardware manufacturer will build a tablet on top of this platform soon > since Android is also free to us and is > >> much more attractive to the end-user. The only thing that I can image > is that Oracle comes up with their own > >> iPad-Killer in the near future (don't wait too long) otherwise this > decision make no sense to me. > >> > >> 1. JavaFX is in active development is the only great news for me. As of > today it looks like a major development for > >> years that is not released for actual use. For me it is currently just > a very big shiny demo. > >> > >> short history summarize: > >> > >> 4 years ago when javafx1 hit's the world, desktop use was okay. JavaFX1 > couldn't really convince due to an strange way > >> of design. It
In JavaFX2.2, how to set the font size for text entered in input fields and table headers?
In my JavaFX2.2 fxml program (Java 7.25, Windows 7), I am finding that fonts do not scale properly. As a result, table headers and input data fields are disproportionately large. Is there any way to set the font size for text entered in the input fields? see screenshot here using the standard JavaFx sample http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18495823/javafx-text-fonts-are-tiny-on-windows-7
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
The problem is the technology (no iOS/Android support) AND politics (Oracle doesn’t speak to the community) Am 30.09.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > @Matthias, no, I am not kidding. Put your faith in the technology, not the > politics. > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 22:03, Matthias Hänel wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without >> choking on it. Sure there >> are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy >> over and over again about >> the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we >> have a running bussiness >> where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. >> >> This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an >> active member of this community. >> He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the >> counterpart by managing the >> backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. >> Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal >> workshops for the developers >> to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This >> summer we focused our development >> on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning >> APIs and fixing JNI for java8. >> >> Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to our >> fellow developers has been >> more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream >> "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer >> JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the >> more we got fed up over here. >> As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had >> been held. Just to summarize >> our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is >> investment of money and time on >> one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future >> technology. >> >> >> I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how they >> appear over here. >> >> What did we heard over here from JavaOne? >> >> 1. JavaFX is still in development >> 2. Dukepad is released >> 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup >> (4. Javafx runs in a browser) >> >> >> I'll start at the bottom: >> >> (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use JavaScript >> and web technologies as well. >> This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure write-once-run-anywhere >> applies but all tough real world >> applications are not buildable since there is no native interfacing and >> won't be cross platform in the near future.) >> >> 3. Larry Ellison spent 200 million dollar to win a sailing cup. >> I don't want to image what Oracle could have been done to revolutionize the >> world. I don't speak only about JavaFX, >> there is a lot to be done with the right power. But doesn't lead to much >> here. >> >> 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself, >> hacking firmware and much cool stuff >> in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I grounded >> when I have seen that it was a childish puzzle >> with lego blocks. The longer I think about that, the longer I am getting >> angry to see a 100 men powered development >> team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds. Well that would >> be ok, if Oracle said that this is a demo >> on a prototyping board and the important platforms will follow soon. No word >> about iOS, Android, Windows8. >> Do you really believe that there are many people to build a Tablet like >> this? I am really sure non of the major >> hardware manufacturer will build a tablet on top of this platform soon since >> Android is also free to us and is >> much more attractive to the end-user. The only thing that I can image is >> that Oracle comes up with their own >> iPad-Killer in the near future (don't wait too long) otherwise this decision >> make no sense to me. >> >> 1. JavaFX is in active development is the only great news for me. As of >> today it looks like a major development for >> years that is not released for actual use. For me it is currently just a >> very big shiny demo. >> >> short history summarize: >> >> 4 years ago when javafx1 hit's the world, desktop use was okay. JavaFX1 >> couldn't really convince due to an strange way >> of design. It is okay to make an mistake and to learn from it, so JavaFX2 >> was create. The software design is outstanding >> and the potential is not even comparable from my point of view. Well, it was >> already time to look at the other platforms. >> 2012 it was announced (but canceled) to run on iOS/Android and now 2013 it >> was announced again (but canceled). >> From our current point of view it looks like we just have to use the already >> developed parts on desktop and for mobile >> we will have to start a co
RE: How to attach files to Jira?
Cool, thanks John! I suggest posting your SSCCE on gist and linking to it from the bug report: > https://gist.github.com/ -- Pedro Duque Vieira
[IMPORTANT] The controls team is moving repos
Hi all, The controls team is moving repos this week! The summary is that after this weeks integration by David, the controls repo will remain locked. >From this point we will no longer be able to push changesets into the controls repo, but we can easily switch over to using the graphics repo and carry on as-is without the need to clone new repos. We just need to be careful to time things properly. For others that use the controls repo (SQE, performance teams, and members of the openjfx community, at least), it is advised that you also switch from using this repo after this weeks integration, as it will no longer be relevant. For everyone who has a cloned repo, the steps to switch from controls to graphics are the following: 1) Do an 'hg pull --rebase' in each of your repo directories to ensure you're up to date. 2) If you have changes to push, get them into the controls repo before integration if you want your changes to be in this weeks build. 3) After integration happens David will send an email indicating that you can make the switch. At this time you can browse to your repo clone, and within each folder (jfx, rt, rt-closed, tests, etc), you will find an .hg directory containing a file named hgrc. Open this file in a text editor and replace 'controls' with 'graphics'. 4) You're done! Keep an eye out for any updates to these instructions, and also the instruction to switch from David. Try not to jump the gun! Thanks, Jonathan
hg: openjfx/8/controls/rt: RT-31168: reset CssFlag to clean so css will be reapplied if the node is added back later.
Changeset: 62e08c34a629 Author:David Grieve Date: 2013-09-30 14:52 -0400 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/controls/rt/rev/62e08c34a629 RT-31168: reset CssFlag to clean so css will be reapplied if the node is added back later. + modules/controls/src/test/java/javafx/scene/control/MiscellaneousTests.java ! modules/graphics/src/main/java/javafx/scene/Node.java
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
@John, I do not believe it is too late for JavaFX on mobiles and tablets. It is a far better UI toolkit and platform than anything else available on those devices so if Oracle can get it to work well there then we are looking at a potential world beater :-) > On 1 Oct 2013, at 2:27, John Hendrikx wrote: > >> On 30/09/2013 17:38, Anton Epple wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it. >> But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly >> interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was >> more frustrated that these sessions were cancelled than the engineers who >> submitted them. If you want to talk about something new and exiting you will >> have to let some company lawyers approve it. This takes some time. My guess >> is, that the approval for the talks might not have arrived in time. > To be honest, it is likely JavaFX already missed its window to become > relevant on Android and iOS. These platforms are not waiting for anyone and > are being aggressively pushed into all kinds of new areas (console gaming, > entertainment hubs, general productivity, etc). Oracle should count itself > lucky that Google even used a Java-like language for its platform or they'd > stand no chance at all anymore in this space. There are already dozens of > frameworks that work with Dalvik that compete in atleast part of the same > space as JavaFX -- many of them cross platform. Just one of these needs to > be actively pushed by a big name and gone is your opportunity. > > These markets donot move at the snails pace that lawyers and courts move. > Limiting yourself to the speed of your legal department is a guaranteed way > to become irrelevant. > > My 2 cents > --John > >> >> If I was right, and the reason for the talks being removed are just of >> temporary nature, then I guess the best strategy now is to "keep calm and >> carry on" for a bit. >> >> Regards >> >> --Toni >> >> P.s.: @Matthias: >> Regarding your thoughts about JavaFX in a browser: >> - WORA matters - I think it's the whole point that started this discussion. >> - Using Cordova you can package your app as a native app. So you've got a >> working solution, which is admittedly not feature complete and not usable >> for every application, but much better than nothing. >> - JavaScript is a huge problem as it leads to ugly unmaintainable code. >> Right now there are tons of projects desperately trying to solve that issue >> (GWT, typescript, ...). bck2brwsr is one of the solutions. It enables you to >> write clean Java(FX) code and still run in the browser without the need to >> install any plugin. So bck2brwsr solves a real world problem. That's why it >> matters. >> >> >> >> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 14:03 schrieb Matthias Hänel: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without >>> choking on it. Sure there >>> are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be >>> happy over and over again about >>> the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we >>> have a running bussiness >>> where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. >>> >>> This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an >>> active member of this community. >>> He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the >>> counterpart by managing the >>> backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. >>> Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal >>> workshops for the developers >>> to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This >>> summer we focused our development >>> on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning >>> APIs and fixing JNI for java8. >>> >>> Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to >>> our fellow developers has been >>> more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream >>> "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer >>> JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the >>> more we got fed up over here. >>> As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had >>> been held. Just to summarize >>> our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is >>> investment of money and time on >>> one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future >>> technology. >>> >>> >>> I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how >>> they appear over here. >>> >>> What did we heard over here from JavaOne? >>> >>> 1. JavaFX is still in development >>> 2. Dukepad is released >>> 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup >>> (4. Javafx runs in a browser) >>> >>> >>> I'll start at the bottom: >>> >>> (4. When Javafx runs in a browser,
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
@Matthias, no, I am not kidding. Put your faith in the technology, not the politics. > On 30 Sep 2013, at 22:03, Matthias Hänel wrote: > > Hi, > > > @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without > choking on it. Sure there > are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy > over and over again about > the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we > have a running bussiness > where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. > > This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an > active member of this community. > He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the > counterpart by managing the > backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. > Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal > workshops for the developers > to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This > summer we focused our development > on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning > APIs and fixing JNI for java8. > > Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to our > fellow developers has been > more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream > "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer > JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the > more we got fed up over here. > As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had > been held. Just to summarize > our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is > investment of money and time on > one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future > technology. > > > I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how they > appear over here. > > What did we heard over here from JavaOne? > > 1. JavaFX is still in development > 2. Dukepad is released > 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup > (4. Javafx runs in a browser) > > > I'll start at the bottom: > > (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use JavaScript > and web technologies as well. > This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure write-once-run-anywhere > applies but all tough real world > applications are not buildable since there is no native interfacing and won't > be cross platform in the near future.) > > 3. Larry Ellison spent 200 million dollar to win a sailing cup. > I don't want to image what Oracle could have been done to revolutionize the > world. I don't speak only about JavaFX, > there is a lot to be done with the right power. But doesn't lead to much here. > > 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself, > hacking firmware and much cool stuff > in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I grounded when > I have seen that it was a childish puzzle > with lego blocks. The longer I think about that, the longer I am getting > angry to see a 100 men powered development > team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds. Well that would > be ok, if Oracle said that this is a demo > on a prototyping board and the important platforms will follow soon. No word > about iOS, Android, Windows8. > Do you really believe that there are many people to build a Tablet like this? > I am really sure non of the major > hardware manufacturer will build a tablet on top of this platform soon since > Android is also free to us and is > much more attractive to the end-user. The only thing that I can image is that > Oracle comes up with their own > iPad-Killer in the near future (don't wait too long) otherwise this decision > make no sense to me. > > 1. JavaFX is in active development is the only great news for me. As of today > it looks like a major development for > years that is not released for actual use. For me it is currently just a very > big shiny demo. > > short history summarize: > > 4 years ago when javafx1 hit's the world, desktop use was okay. JavaFX1 > couldn't really convince due to an strange way > of design. It is okay to make an mistake and to learn from it, so JavaFX2 was > create. The software design is outstanding > and the potential is not even comparable from my point of view. Well, it was > already time to look at the other platforms. > 2012 it was announced (but canceled) to run on iOS/Android and now 2013 it > was announced again (but canceled). > From our current point of view it looks like we just have to use the already > developed parts on desktop and for mobile > we will have to start a complete new development branch. This will work for a > short time but in the long term we'll > probably step back from JavaFX and even Java and develop our own abstraction > layer. This is sad and costs a lot of time > that we would need to build our real products. > >
Re: problem with javaFX canvas
Hello Cinta,
Sorry for the delay. JavaOne madness.
I just ran your code on Windows 7 with an nVidia card with no issues.
Can you file a Jira and describe your build and what version of javafx
you are using?
Also, paste the code from your email.
https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa
Thanks,
Joe
On 9/26/2013 9:20 PM, Cinta Damayanti wrote:
import javafx.application.Application;
import javafx.scene.Group;
import javafx.scene.Scene;
import javafx.scene.canvas.Canvas;
import javafx.scene.canvas.GraphicsContext;
import javafx.scene.control.Button;
import javafx.scene.paint.Color;
import javafx.stage.Stage;
public class TestCanvasTest extends Application {
static int width = 400 , height = 400;
@Override
public void start(Stage stage) throws Exception {
Group root = new Group();
final Canvas canvas = new Canvas(width, height);
final GraphicsContext gc = canvas.getGraphicsContext2D();
Button button1 = new Button();
button1.setText("START");
button1.setMinWidth(100);
button1.setTranslateX(10);
button1.setTranslateY(10);
Button button2 = new Button();
button2.setText("PAUSE");
button2.setMinWidth(100);
button2.setTranslateX(10);
button2.setTranslateY(40);
root.getChildren().add(canvas);
root.getChildren().addAll(button1, button2);
Scene scene = new Scene(root, width, height);
stage.setScene(scene);
gc.setFill(Color.RED);
gc.fillRect(0, 0, width, height);
stage.show();
}
public static void main(String[] args) {
launch(args);
}
}
RE: How to attach files to Jira?
I suggest posting your SSCCE on gist and linking to it from the bug report: https://gist.github.com/ -Original Message- From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Felix Bembrick Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:28 AM To: Sebastian Rheinnecker Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net List Subject: Re: How to attach files to Jira? +1 On 30 September 2013 20:25, Sebastian Rheinnecker < sebastian.rheinnec...@yworks.com> wrote: > Agree, this would make posting SSCCE so much easier, I always have to > plain write them into the description of the bug report, which is ugly... > > Kind regards, > Sebastian Rheinnecker > > Am 30.09.2013 08:26, schrieb Tom Schindl: > > This was turned off long time ago to avoid spam and upload of viruses. >> What I don't understand is why people who e.g. filed >10bug reports >> or made >10 comments, asked for upload permission at this very list, ... >> don't get the possibility. >> >> Another option would be to only allow patches / text files. >> >> Tom >> >> On 29.09.13 16:53, Pedro Duque Vieira wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> How can you attach files to Jira? In the past I was able to do this >>> but not anymore. >>> >>> Have you disabled this feature for non Oracle folks? >>> >>> Thanks, best regards, >>> >>> > > -- > Sebastian Rheinnecker > phone: +49 7071 9709050 > fax: +49 7071 9709051 > > yWorks GmbH > Vor dem Kreuzberg 28 > 72070 Tuebingen > Germany > http://www.yworks.com > Managing Directors: Sebastian Müller, Michael Pfahler Commercial > Registry: Stuttgart, Germany, HRB 382340 > >
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
> 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself, > hacking firmware and much cool stuff > in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I grounded when > I have seen that it was a childish puzzle > with lego blocks. What? > The longer I think about that, the longer I am getting angry to see a 100 men > powered development > team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds. I don't know where you got that impression. Jasper did the design, and there were a couple of people who spent a couple weeks working on software. And that wasn't writing the DukePad software, predominantly, but it was fixing performance issues in Prism that affect all platforms. The value is in embedded development. Before JavaOne we didn't have all the agreements in place to work with Freescale. The Raspberry PI has a nice following, is great for educational purposes and home-brew, so it was a great choice to build a demo on top of (as opposed to, say, a BeagleBoard or BeagleBone which is either more expensive or doesn't have the same size following). Having an actual project to work on also teases out bugs and performance issues, and most of the work leading up to JavaOne was in finding and fixing these issues. These same issues will affect any embedded project, including the RoboVM / iOS / Android work. > Well that would be ok, if Oracle said that this is a demo > on a prototyping board and the important platforms will follow soon. No word > about iOS, Android, Windows8. Do you mean Windows Phone 8? Because Windows 8 is a given. > Do you really believe that there are many people to build a Tablet like this? > I am really sure non of the major > hardware manufacturer will build a tablet on top of this platform soon since > Android is also free to us and is > much more attractive to the end-user. The only thing that I can image is that > Oracle comes up with their own > iPad-Killer in the near future (don't wait too long) otherwise this decision > make no sense to me. No, none of this. DukePad is not a product. We made that pretty clear, it's an open source hardware/software design for the Raspberry PI community. We will make no money off the designs and Oracle isn't selling anything here. For us it was a vehicle on which we could demonstrate our ability to run well on embedded devices, and find and fix bugs along the way. Oracle isn't going to produce a mobile device. DukePad was not any kind of product announcement. Those kinds of things happen in strategy keynotes, not in technical keynotes. Richard
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
On 2013-09-30 18:27, John Hendrikx wrote: To be honest, it is likely JavaFX already missed its window to become relevant on Android and iOS. Maybe, but I've done my fair share of UI toolkits and JFX really has some great features compared to the others (not counting layout - pun intended ;-). So you could be right, but you could also still be wrong. Tom
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Android UI framework is a mess... Sent from my iPhone > On 30 sept. 2013, at 18:27, John Hendrikx wrote: > >> On 30/09/2013 17:38, Anton Epple wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it. >> But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly >> interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was >> more frustrated that these sessions were cancelled than the engineers who >> submitted them. If you want to talk about something new and exiting you will >> have to let some company lawyers approve it. This takes some time. My guess >> is, that the approval for the talks might not have arrived in time. > To be honest, it is likely JavaFX already missed its window to become > relevant on Android and iOS. These platforms are not waiting for anyone and > are being aggressively pushed into all kinds of new areas (console gaming, > entertainment hubs, general productivity, etc). Oracle should count itself > lucky that Google even used a Java-like language for its platform or they'd > stand no chance at all anymore in this space. There are already dozens of > frameworks that work with Dalvik that compete in atleast part of the same > space as JavaFX -- many of them cross platform. Just one of these needs to > be actively pushed by a big name and gone is your opportunity. > > These markets donot move at the snails pace that lawyers and courts move. > Limiting yourself to the speed of your legal department is a guaranteed way > to become irrelevant. > > My 2 cents > --John > >> >> If I was right, and the reason for the talks being removed are just of >> temporary nature, then I guess the best strategy now is to "keep calm and >> carry on" for a bit. >> >> Regards >> >> --Toni >> >> P.s.: @Matthias: >> Regarding your thoughts about JavaFX in a browser: >> - WORA matters - I think it's the whole point that started this discussion. >> - Using Cordova you can package your app as a native app. So you've got a >> working solution, which is admittedly not feature complete and not usable >> for every application, but much better than nothing. >> - JavaScript is a huge problem as it leads to ugly unmaintainable code. >> Right now there are tons of projects desperately trying to solve that issue >> (GWT, typescript, ...). bck2brwsr is one of the solutions. It enables you to >> write clean Java(FX) code and still run in the browser without the need to >> install any plugin. So bck2brwsr solves a real world problem. That's why it >> matters. >> >> >> >> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 14:03 schrieb Matthias Hänel: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without >>> choking on it. Sure there >>> are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be >>> happy over and over again about >>> the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we >>> have a running bussiness >>> where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. >>> >>> This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an >>> active member of this community. >>> He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the >>> counterpart by managing the >>> backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. >>> Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal >>> workshops for the developers >>> to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This >>> summer we focused our development >>> on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning >>> APIs and fixing JNI for java8. >>> >>> Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to >>> our fellow developers has been >>> more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream >>> "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer >>> JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the >>> more we got fed up over here. >>> As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had >>> been held. Just to summarize >>> our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is >>> investment of money and time on >>> one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future >>> technology. >>> >>> >>> I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how >>> they appear over here. >>> >>> What did we heard over here from JavaOne? >>> >>> 1. JavaFX is still in development >>> 2. Dukepad is released >>> 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup >>> (4. Javafx runs in a browser) >>> >>> >>> I'll start at the bottom: >>> >>> (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use JavaScript >>> and web technologies as well. >>> This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure write-once-run-anywhere >>> applies but all tough real world >>> applic
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
On 30/09/2013 17:38, Anton Epple wrote: Hi guys, I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it. But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was more frustrated that these sessions were cancelled than the engineers who submitted them. If you want to talk about something new and exiting you will have to let some company lawyers approve it. This takes some time. My guess is, that the approval for the talks might not have arrived in time. To be honest, it is likely JavaFX already missed its window to become relevant on Android and iOS. These platforms are not waiting for anyone and are being aggressively pushed into all kinds of new areas (console gaming, entertainment hubs, general productivity, etc). Oracle should count itself lucky that Google even used a Java-like language for its platform or they'd stand no chance at all anymore in this space. There are already dozens of frameworks that work with Dalvik that compete in atleast part of the same space as JavaFX -- many of them cross platform. Just one of these needs to be actively pushed by a big name and gone is your opportunity. These markets donot move at the snails pace that lawyers and courts move. Limiting yourself to the speed of your legal department is a guaranteed way to become irrelevant. My 2 cents --John If I was right, and the reason for the talks being removed are just of temporary nature, then I guess the best strategy now is to "keep calm and carry on" for a bit. Regards --Toni P.s.: @Matthias: Regarding your thoughts about JavaFX in a browser: - WORA matters - I think it's the whole point that started this discussion. - Using Cordova you can package your app as a native app. So you've got a working solution, which is admittedly not feature complete and not usable for every application, but much better than nothing. - JavaScript is a huge problem as it leads to ugly unmaintainable code. Right now there are tons of projects desperately trying to solve that issue (GWT, typescript, ...). bck2brwsr is one of the solutions. It enables you to write clean Java(FX) code and still run in the browser without the need to install any plugin. So bck2brwsr solves a real world problem. That's why it matters. Am 30.09.2013 um 14:03 schrieb Matthias Hänel: Hi, @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without choking on it. Sure there are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy over and over again about the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we have a running bussiness where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an active member of this community. He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the counterpart by managing the backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal workshops for the developers to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This summer we focused our development on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning APIs and fixing JNI for java8. Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to our fellow developers has been more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the more we got fed up over here. As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had been held. Just to summarize our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is investment of money and time on one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future technology. I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how they appear over here. What did we heard over here from JavaOne? 1. JavaFX is still in development 2. Dukepad is released 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup (4. Javafx runs in a browser) I'll start at the bottom: (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use JavaScript and web technologies as well. This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure write-once-run-anywhere applies but all tough real world applications are not buildable since there is no native interfacing and won't be cross platform in the near future.) 3. Larry Ellison spent 200 million dollar to win a sailing cup. I don't want to image what Oracle could have been done to revolutionize the world. I don't speak only about JavaFX, there is a lot to be done with the right power. But doesn't lead to much here. 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself, hacking firmware and m
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Hello Matthias, This is just how Oracle rolls, we have to get used to it. And actually it is not that bad of an attitude; never make a promise you can't keep. When deliver, deliver well. I'm in a project which communicates way to much to end users and they keep being disappointed. I kinda think not informing them would be smart. Tom
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Hey Toni, cancelling the session is one thing. Keeping us in a nebula of hopes is another thing. I'd not say anything if I would have got any information how we can plan for our future product development. Sure those are Oracle legal issues, but inflaming hopes and expectations and the burn down the house makes no sense to me. I don't wan't to blame the engineers but we don't have an appropriate contact to blame ;) I really think the time to calm is very much over. We'll need the solution now, not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. We will consider other opportunities in the next days. This argy-bargy is not only frustrating it doesn't lead to a solution. JavaFX in a browser: Beeing a native coder myself, in general everything else than hand made assembly doesn't fit my performance expectations ;) I got used to java since the Sun/Oracle guys have done a brilliant gob in optimizing the JRE, so running jit'ed code is pretty fast compared to any interpreted stuff. That's why I accept and kinda love Java as a foundation for a cross platform UI framework and as cross platform deployment solution. Development time tops it all and runtime is feasable. But, when I hear that a single threaded javascript engine should decode java 51'binary code inside a browser my acceptance stop right away ;) It's nearly impossible to run a full fledged multi media application in a browser with for example native backed audio stuff or video mixing. Sure, once browsers interface all kind of audio/video/USB/IEEE1394... it will be possible one time in the future, but it is not yet. As of today, I'll need pretty low level access to the OS to do fancy stuff and that means JNI for Java. This is nearly impossible in a browser. I know Google Native Client but this is not xplatform, so iOS support wouldn't be possible either. Conclusion: You can build nice looking demos with this bck2brwsr project, but when it comes to the real hard stuff you will get stuck pretty fast in your browser bounds. BTW, we tried to replace java with web technology. This is a desaster as well ;) kind regards Matthias Am 30.09.2013 um 17:38 schrieb Anton Epple : > Hi guys, > > I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it. > But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly > interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was > more frustrated that these sessions were cancelled than the engineers who > submitted them. If you want to talk about something new and exiting you will > have to let some company lawyers approve it. This takes some time. My guess > is, that the approval for the talks might not have arrived in time. > > If I was right, and the reason for the talks being removed are just of > temporary nature, then I guess the best strategy now is to "keep calm and > carry on" for a bit. > > Regards > > --Toni > > P.s.: @Matthias: > Regarding your thoughts about JavaFX in a browser: > - WORA matters - I think it's the whole point that started this discussion. > - Using Cordova you can package your app as a native app. So you've got a > working solution, which is admittedly not feature complete and not usable for > every application, but much better than nothing. > - JavaScript is a huge problem as it leads to ugly unmaintainable code. Right > now there are tons of projects desperately trying to solve that issue (GWT, > typescript, ...). bck2brwsr is one of the solutions. It enables you to write > clean Java(FX) code and still run in the browser without the need to install > any plugin. So bck2brwsr solves a real world problem. That's why it matters. > > > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 14:03 schrieb Matthias Hänel : > >> Hi, >> >> >> @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without >> choking on it. Sure there >> are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy >> over and over again about >> the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we >> have a running bussiness >> where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. >> >> This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an >> active member of this community. >> He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the >> counterpart by managing the >> backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. >> Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal >> workshops for the developers >> to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This >> summer we focused our development >> on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning >> APIs and fixing JNI for java8. >> >> Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to our >> fellow developers has been >> more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like
Re: How do non-authors report bugs?
Sorry for the spam Kevin. Yes, I asked this on the wrong list. On 9/30/13 10:59 AM, Kevin Rushforth wrote: > FX does not use JBS -- we have a separate JIRA instance. Your question > is probably best asked on an OpenJDK alias. > > -- Kevin > > > Pete Brunet wrote: >> For those without JBS accounts what is the right web site to use to >> report bugs? >>
Re: How do non-authors report bugs?
FX does not use JBS -- we have a separate JIRA instance. Your question is probably best asked on an OpenJDK alias. -- Kevin Pete Brunet wrote: For those without JBS accounts what is the right web site to use to report bugs?
How do non-authors report bugs?
For those without JBS accounts what is the right web site to use to report bugs?
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Hi guys, I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it. But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was more frustrated that these sessions were cancelled than the engineers who submitted them. If you want to talk about something new and exiting you will have to let some company lawyers approve it. This takes some time. My guess is, that the approval for the talks might not have arrived in time. If I was right, and the reason for the talks being removed are just of temporary nature, then I guess the best strategy now is to "keep calm and carry on" for a bit. Regards --Toni P.s.: @Matthias: Regarding your thoughts about JavaFX in a browser: - WORA matters - I think it's the whole point that started this discussion. - Using Cordova you can package your app as a native app. So you've got a working solution, which is admittedly not feature complete and not usable for every application, but much better than nothing. - JavaScript is a huge problem as it leads to ugly unmaintainable code. Right now there are tons of projects desperately trying to solve that issue (GWT, typescript, ...). bck2brwsr is one of the solutions. It enables you to write clean Java(FX) code and still run in the browser without the need to install any plugin. So bck2brwsr solves a real world problem. That's why it matters. Am 30.09.2013 um 14:03 schrieb Matthias Hänel : > Hi, > > > @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without > choking on it. Sure there > are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy > over and over again about > the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we > have a running bussiness > where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. > > This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an > active member of this community. > He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the > counterpart by managing the > backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. > Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal > workshops for the developers > to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This > summer we focused our development > on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning > APIs and fixing JNI for java8. > > Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to our > fellow developers has been > more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream > "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer > JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the > more we got fed up over here. > As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had > been held. Just to summarize > our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is > investment of money and time on > one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future > technology. > > > I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how they > appear over here. > > What did we heard over here from JavaOne? > > 1. JavaFX is still in development > 2. Dukepad is released > 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup > (4. Javafx runs in a browser) > > > I'll start at the bottom: > > (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use JavaScript > and web technologies as well. > This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure write-once-run-anywhere > applies but all tough real world > applications are not buildable since there is no native interfacing and won't > be cross platform in the near future.) > > 3. Larry Ellison spent 200 million dollar to win a sailing cup. > I don't want to image what Oracle could have been done to revolutionize the > world. I don't speak only about JavaFX, > there is a lot to be done with the right power. But doesn't lead to much here. > > 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself, > hacking firmware and much cool stuff > in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I grounded when > I have seen that it was a childish puzzle > with lego blocks. The longer I think about that, the longer I am getting > angry to see a 100 men powered development > team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds. Well that would > be ok, if Oracle said that this is a demo > on a prototyping board and the important platforms will follow soon. No word > about iOS, Android, Windows8. > Do you really believe that there are many people to build a Tablet like this? > I am really sure non of the major > hardware manufacturer will build a tablet on top of this platform soon since > Android is also free to us and is > much more attractive to the end-use
Re: JavaOne roundup?
Ok thx, than I will wait until there is this tooling support for JavaFX as well. Am 30.09.2013 um 16:43 schrieb Anton Epple : > bck2brwsr has really good tooling, and you can get started in less than an > hour. Here is a tutorial: > > https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/bck2brwsr_at_javaone_2013 > > That said, the JavaFX part was only released last saturday, you have to build > it yourself and there is no documentation yet. > > > m 30.09.2013 um 11:30 schrieb Tobias Bley : > >> Is there any good „how to make a JavaFX based app for iOS with bck2brwsr“ ? >> Or is there any maven or IDE plugin to test the project within one hour? >> >> >> Am 30.09.2013 um 11:25 schrieb Anton Epple : >> >>> Performance differs depending on the browser. bck2brwsr is heavily >>> optimized for Chrome. The demos I've seen are running with 40-50FPS on >>> Chrome but much slower in Firefox. Performance on Chrome seemed definitely >>> good enough to create "normal" applications. Being aware that some things >>> are not yet supported, bck2brwsr is currently a working solution to get >>> JavaFX on any device that has a modern Browser. >>> >>> --Toni >>> >>> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:04 schrieb Felix Bembrick : >>> How well does a JavaFX application perform in what is a fully interpreted environment like bck2brwsr? On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:45, Anton Epple wrote: > I'm also optimistic. We've all seen that it's possible from the > technical side… I think it takes quite some time to get legal approvement > inside Oracle to show something. Probably those guys simply didn't get > their talks approved in time. > > BTW: There's a new implementation of JavaFX available using the bck2brwsr > project: > > https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32965 > > It renders to HTML5 Canvas and runs in any modern browser including > Android phones and iPad/iPhone. Using Cordova, you can bundle as native > apps. > > --Toni > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > >> No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it >> happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. >> >> But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a >> glass half full kinda guy :-) >> >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: >>> >>> I suppose „legal reasons“…. >>> >>> For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: >>> JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like >>> Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who >>> needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( >>> >>> >>> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic conversations with clients notwithstanding). Last week Tomas offered this: > about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne > stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the name "DukePad" by marketing again? :-) jeff > On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski > wrote: > > The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to > get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any > case. Given this is the developer community network it would make > sense in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. > > For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements > or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment > space? > > What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before > (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and > able to give us some info? > > > >> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair >> wrote: >> >> The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's >> (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet >> (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it >> is pretty fast). >> >> Richard >> >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski >>> wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the >>> JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? >>> > >>> >> >
hg: openjfx/8/graphics/rt: Android: Use lens multitouch and gestures support.
Changeset: af515f1eeb5d Author:tb115823 Date: 2013-09-30 15:55 +0200 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/graphics/rt/rev/af515f1eeb5d Android: Use lens multitouch and gestures support. ! modules/graphics/src/android/java/com/oracle/dalvik/FXActivity.java ! modules/graphics/src/main/native-glass/lens/android/android.c ! modules/graphics/src/main/native-glass/lens/android/android.h ! modules/graphics/src/main/native-glass/lens/android/com_oracle_dalvik_FXActivity.h ! modules/graphics/src/main/native-glass/lens/android/com_oracle_dalvik_FXActivity_InternalSurfaceView.h ! modules/graphics/src/main/native-glass/lens/input/android/androidLens.c ! modules/graphics/src/main/native-glass/lens/input/android/androidLens.h
Re: JavaOne roundup?
The current ADF Mobile back end is based on CDC Profile J2ME if I understand it correctly. On stage for the keynote they said Java SE Embedded is going to replace CDC. In the Compact Profiles for ADF Mobile talk they said that the compact 1 profile is what the are looking at moving towards, although they have nothing to ship or even show. Gone are the days of Sun where something almost ready would be shipped because it was conference time. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Tobias Bley wrote: > I don’t think you. ADF mobile uses HTML5 as frontend, so there is no need > to execute JavaFX code on the client… maybe there is a J2ME based VM in ADF > (like Codename One do) > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Ali Ebrahimi : > > > Yes, but they use that for ADF mobile. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tobias Bley > wrote: > > Does Oracle really has an AOT based JVM for iOS and Android? > > > > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 11:16 schrieb Udo Rader : > > > > > If you add the pieces of information together (announced and then > > > shortly cancelled J1 talks), you perfectly get the right picture. > > > > > > The *problem* certainly is not the technical part. > > > > > > While I disagree that the RPi is just nerd stuff (the "embedded" market > > > is huge), I agree however that any further delay with JavaFX on Android > > > & iOS is really bad. > > > > > > I believe this situation is just as frustrating for the Oracle > > > *developers* like it is for the rest of the JavaFX community. > > > > > > "Public relations" in the core sense of its meaning has completely > > > failed here, IMHO. > > > > > > On 09/30/2013 10:03 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > > >> I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, > not just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they > announce anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... > > >> > > >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on > iOS/Android does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why > all this people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. > Who needs it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android > skins, iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I > really love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ > project. That kind of development we need! > > >>> > > >>> Best, > > >>> Tobi > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick < > felix.bembr...@gmail.com>: > > > > No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without > it happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. > > > > But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am > a glass half full kinda guy :-) > > > > > On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: > > > > > > I suppose „legal reasons“…. > > > > > > For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: > JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like > Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who > needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > > > > > > > > > > > >> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : > > >> > > >> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last > moment. I tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored > secret hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic > conversations with clients notwithstanding). > > >> > > >> Last week Tomas offered this: > > >> > > >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne > stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. > > >> > > >> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we > run the name "DukePad" by marketing again? > > >> > > >> :-) > > >> > > >> jeff > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be > great to get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in > any case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense > in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. > > >>> > > >>> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any > announcements or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the > deployment space? > > >>> > > >>> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before ( > http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able to > give us some info? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair < > richard.b...@oracle.com> wrote: > > > > The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's ( > http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any con
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:48:10 +0200, Felix Bembrick wrote: I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet. As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1 relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the very last minute. I see this as a definite positive. To me that says that they truly believed they would be able to have something for those sessions but for whatever reason were not able to get across the finish line. I don't know much about J1, as I've still to catch up. But I noted, in the past weeks, a "swept" of re-scheduling of bugs (were planned for JDK8, now are for "Van Ness" (*)). I suppose that might have had some impact. (*) Please, can somebody clarify when "Van Ness" is expected to happen, including any eventual re-scheduling? Thanks. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. "We make Java work. Everywhere." http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
hg: openjfx/8/graphics/rt: Reverted accidental part of fix for RT-29891
Changeset: 0148423079ac Author:Lubomir Nerad Date: 2013-09-30 14:09 +0200 URL: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/graphics/rt/rev/0148423079ac Reverted accidental part of fix for RT-29891 ! modules/graphics/src/main/java/com/sun/javafx/stage/PopupWindowPeerListener.java
Re: Moving on to a "round house kick" (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Hi, @Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without choking on it. Sure there are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy over and over again about the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we have a running bussiness where we need to decide the future of the underlaying technology. This is my very first post to this mailing list. My collegue tobi is an active member of this community. He is head of the java devlopement department in our company and I am the counterpart by managing the backend native codes and the interfacing to JNI/Java for the upper layers. Since Javafx could be a game changer for our company we have had internal workshops for the developers to get a common sense about the furture of development directions. This summer we focused our development on JavaFX for further products. This meant reworking all UI-stuff, cleaning APIs and fixing JNI for java8. Tobi was soo excited to see the new technologies and his presentation to our fellow developers has been more than ethusiastic. It sounded almost like the old dream "code-once-run-anywhere" comes true. The closer JavaOne got and the more session of interest for us has been canceled, the more we got fed up over here. As a result non of the session that had been a sort of interest for us had been held. Just to summarize our feeling about that, we are taking this really personally. There is investment of money and time on one side and on the other side it is personal investment into a future technology. I would like to give you an overview of the things that happend and how they appear over here. What did we heard over here from JavaOne? 1. JavaFX is still in development 2. Dukepad is released 3. Oracle wong a sailing cup (4. Javafx runs in a browser) I'll start at the bottom: (4. When Javafx runs in a browser, why do I need it? I could use JavaScript and web technologies as well. This is quite a failure of time investment. Sure write-once-run-anywhere applies but all tough real world applications are not buildable since there is no native interfacing and won't be cross platform in the near future.) 3. Larry Ellison spent 200 million dollar to win a sailing cup. I don't want to image what Oracle could have been done to revolutionize the world. I don't speak only about JavaFX, there is a lot to be done with the right power. But doesn't lead to much here. 2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself, hacking firmware and much cool stuff in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I grounded when I have seen that it was a childish puzzle with lego blocks. The longer I think about that, the longer I am getting angry to see a 100 men powered development team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds. Well that would be ok, if Oracle said that this is a demo on a prototyping board and the important platforms will follow soon. No word about iOS, Android, Windows8. Do you really believe that there are many people to build a Tablet like this? I am really sure non of the major hardware manufacturer will build a tablet on top of this platform soon since Android is also free to us and is much more attractive to the end-user. The only thing that I can image is that Oracle comes up with their own iPad-Killer in the near future (don't wait too long) otherwise this decision make no sense to me. 1. JavaFX is in active development is the only great news for me. As of today it looks like a major development for years that is not released for actual use. For me it is currently just a very big shiny demo. short history summarize: 4 years ago when javafx1 hit's the world, desktop use was okay. JavaFX1 couldn't really convince due to an strange way of design. It is okay to make an mistake and to learn from it, so JavaFX2 was create. The software design is outstanding and the potential is not even comparable from my point of view. Well, it was already time to look at the other platforms. 2012 it was announced (but canceled) to run on iOS/Android and now 2013 it was announced again (but canceled). From our current point of view it looks like we just have to use the already developed parts on desktop and for mobile we will have to start a complete new development branch. This will work for a short time but in the long term we'll probably step back from JavaFX and even Java and develop our own abstraction layer. This is sad and costs a lot of time that we would need to build our real products. To make it clear. Everytime I read arm-build I think there is further development in the right direction, but wrong it's still the same linux-arm-build. We don't need an arm build for javafx. We need an iOS-build, an Android-build and a Windows-build for the jre and javafx. Don't get me wrong you can prototype where ever you want even on Pi, bu
Re: JavaOne roundup?
I don’t think you. ADF mobile uses HTML5 as frontend, so there is no need to execute JavaFX code on the client… maybe there is a J2ME based VM in ADF (like Codename One do) Am 30.09.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Ali Ebrahimi : > Yes, but they use that for ADF mobile. > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tobias Bley wrote: > Does Oracle really has an AOT based JVM for iOS and Android? > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 11:16 schrieb Udo Rader : > > > If you add the pieces of information together (announced and then > > shortly cancelled J1 talks), you perfectly get the right picture. > > > > The *problem* certainly is not the technical part. > > > > While I disagree that the RPi is just nerd stuff (the "embedded" market > > is huge), I agree however that any further delay with JavaFX on Android > > & iOS is really bad. > > > > I believe this situation is just as frustrating for the Oracle > > *developers* like it is for the rest of the JavaFX community. > > > > "Public relations" in the core sense of its meaning has completely > > failed here, IMHO. > > > > On 09/30/2013 10:03 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > >> I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, not > >> just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they > >> announce anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... > >> > >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: > >>> > >>> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android > >>> does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this > >>> people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who > >>> needs it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, > >>> iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really > >>> love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. > >>> That kind of development we need! > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Tobi > >>> > >>> > >>> > Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > > No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it > happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. > > But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a > glass half full kinda guy :-) > > > On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: > > > > I suppose „legal reasons“…. > > > > For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: > > JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like > > Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who > > needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > > > > > > > >> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : > >> > >> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I > >> tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored > >> secret hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic > >> conversations with clients notwithstanding). > >> > >> Last week Tomas offered this: > >> > >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne > >>> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. > >> > >> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run > >> the name "DukePad" by marketing again? > >> > >> :-) > >> > >> jeff > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to > >>> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any > >>> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make > >>> sense in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. > >>> > >>> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements > >>> or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment > >>> space? > >>> > >>> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before > >>> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and > >>> able to give us some info? > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair > wrote: > > The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's > (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet > (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it > is pretty fast). > > Richard > > > On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski > > wrote: > > > > Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the > > JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? > >>> > > > >
Re: JavaOne roundup?
Yes, but they use that for ADF mobile. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tobias Bley wrote: > Does Oracle really has an AOT based JVM for iOS and Android? > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 11:16 schrieb Udo Rader : > > > If you add the pieces of information together (announced and then > > shortly cancelled J1 talks), you perfectly get the right picture. > > > > The *problem* certainly is not the technical part. > > > > While I disagree that the RPi is just nerd stuff (the "embedded" market > > is huge), I agree however that any further delay with JavaFX on Android > > & iOS is really bad. > > > > I believe this situation is just as frustrating for the Oracle > > *developers* like it is for the rest of the JavaFX community. > > > > "Public relations" in the core sense of its meaning has completely > > failed here, IMHO. > > > > On 09/30/2013 10:03 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > >> I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, > not just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they > announce anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... > >> > >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: > >>> > >>> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on > iOS/Android does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why > all this people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. > Who needs it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android > skins, iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I > really love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ > project. That kind of development we need! > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Tobi > >>> > >>> > >>> > Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick < > felix.bembr...@gmail.com>: > > No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without > it happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. > > But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a > glass half full kinda guy :-) > > > On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: > > > > I suppose „legal reasons“…. > > > > For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: > JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like > Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who > needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > > > > > > > >> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : > >> > >> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. > I tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret > hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic > conversations with clients notwithstanding). > >> > >> Last week Tomas offered this: > >> > >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne > stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. > >> > >> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we > run the name "DukePad" by marketing again? > >> > >> :-) > >> > >> jeff > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski > wrote: > >>> > >>> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great > to get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any > case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense in > my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. > >>> > >>> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any > announcements or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the > deployment space? > >>> > >>> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before ( > http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able to > give us some info? > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair > wrote: > > The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's ( > http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet (not > sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is pretty > fast). > > Richard > > > On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski > wrote: > > > > Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the > JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? > >>> > > > >
Re: How to attach files to Jira?
+1 On 30 September 2013 20:25, Sebastian Rheinnecker < sebastian.rheinnec...@yworks.com> wrote: > Agree, this would make posting SSCCE so much easier, I always have to > plain write them into the description of the bug report, which is ugly... > > Kind regards, > Sebastian Rheinnecker > > Am 30.09.2013 08:26, schrieb Tom Schindl: > > This was turned off long time ago to avoid spam and upload of viruses. >> What I don't understand is why people who e.g. filed >10bug reports or >> made >10 comments, asked for upload permission at this very list, ... >> don't get the possibility. >> >> Another option would be to only allow patches / text files. >> >> Tom >> >> On 29.09.13 16:53, Pedro Duque Vieira wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> How can you attach files to Jira? In the past I was able to do this but >>> not >>> anymore. >>> >>> Have you disabled this feature for non Oracle folks? >>> >>> Thanks, best regards, >>> >>> > > -- > Sebastian Rheinnecker > phone: +49 7071 9709050 > fax: +49 7071 9709051 > > yWorks GmbH > Vor dem Kreuzberg 28 > 72070 Tuebingen > Germany > http://www.yworks.com > Managing Directors: Sebastian Müller, Michael Pfahler > Commercial Registry: Stuttgart, Germany, HRB 382340 > >
Re: How to attach files to Jira?
Agree, this would make posting SSCCE so much easier, I always have to plain write them into the description of the bug report, which is ugly... Kind regards, Sebastian Rheinnecker Am 30.09.2013 08:26, schrieb Tom Schindl: This was turned off long time ago to avoid spam and upload of viruses. What I don't understand is why people who e.g. filed >10bug reports or made >10 comments, asked for upload permission at this very list, ... don't get the possibility. Another option would be to only allow patches / text files. Tom On 29.09.13 16:53, Pedro Duque Vieira wrote: Hi, How can you attach files to Jira? In the past I was able to do this but not anymore. Have you disabled this feature for non Oracle folks? Thanks, best regards, -- Sebastian Rheinnecker phone: +49 7071 9709050 fax: +49 7071 9709051 yWorks GmbH Vor dem Kreuzberg 28 72070 Tuebingen Germany http://www.yworks.com Managing Directors: Sebastian Müller, Michael Pfahler Commercial Registry: Stuttgart, Germany, HRB 382340
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Besides, I thought this list was to discuss *all* issues related to the development of OpenJFX and surely such issues are relevant??? On 30 September 2013 20:05, Tobias Bley wrote: > Pardon? It’s not allowed to discuss with the JavaFX community the future > of the technology and community in their mailing list??? What’s up Hervé? > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 12:03 schrieb Hervé Girod : > > > It's not the place to talk politics here. If you want to channel your > frustration, do it in your blog if you have one. > > > > Hervé > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 30 sept. 2013, at 11:14, Tobias Bley wrote: > >> > >> I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting > concerning JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX > (and RoboVM) to build apps for the iPhone ( > https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this bug report is open > since 3(!) month! How shall the community build things for iOS if a very > base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core team??? It’s a very bad > sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! > >> > >> So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web > technologies like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an > US company who sees only money and legal issues. > >> > >> Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and > develop experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to > develop a technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, > embedded space, mobile, watches, … > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tobi > >> > >> > >> > >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : > >>> > >>> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this > also highlights a deeper problem here. > >>> > >>> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because > the topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. > It's tied in with share prices, and market strategies. > >>> > >>> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We > "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" > customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a > way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). > >>> > >>> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be > discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a > commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite > method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? > >>> > >>> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant > contributions back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA > is fine for discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any > of the real community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum > because Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the > significant platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we > only hear about it after it's a done deal. > >>> > >>> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally > flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact > with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're > not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately > Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach > is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". > >>> > >>> All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone > nowhere - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work > (which Richard asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked > for), the jfx browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as > JIRA dashboards (which Richard again asked for). > >>> > >>> All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it > and then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a > lot of tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev > community, but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and > dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. > >>> > >>> The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin > and the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision > to not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform > shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would > have saved me days of work). > >>> > >>> That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since > this forum is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that > Oracle is listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out > there wanting to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving > this forum and working out what you can do without any a
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Yes, perhaps Oracle have not yet grasped the degree of importance of actively engaging the community in a project that is "supposed" to be community-based. I suspect the limited resources of the JavaFX team are working flat-out just to get new versions released and to meet the targets for JFX8 and that "engaging the community" is suffering as a result. Who knows, maybe some of that hard work is on porting JavaFX to modern platforms??? On 30 September 2013 19:53, Tobias Bley wrote: > I absolutely agree that it’s very important to release a stable solution. > BUT: There is a ARM based version for embedded space available as beta > version since a long time… so it’s important to TALK to the community. > Otherwise Java and JavaFX == Oracle. No need to open source it. > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 11:48 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > > I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet. > > As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1 > relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the > very last minute. I see this as a definite positive. To me that says that > they truly believed they would be able to have something for those sessions > but for whatever reason were not able to get across the finish line. I > would have been far more worried if they had never announced such sessions > because then we would know for certain that they do not have any concrete > plans in this area. > > I am optimistic that a *big* announcement is just around the corner. Of > course J1 would have been the perfect place for such an announcement but > can you imagine the damage to brand Java/JavaFX had they released a > half-baked, bug-ridden, slow-as-a-dog implementation of JavaFX on iOS or > Android? Many developers would have walked away from client-side Java > forever and the press would have gone into meltdown ridiculing the > technology. > > If Oracle really does have something in the pipeline for iOS/Android then > they are *absolutely right* to get it *perfect* before they let it loose > on the public. > > Having said this though and as starry-eyed as I am, even I cannot wait > forever > > > On 30 September 2013 19:14, Tobias Bley wrote: > >> I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting >> concerning JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX >> (and RoboVM) to build apps for the iPhone ( >> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this bug report is open >> since 3(!) month! How shall the community build things for iOS if a very >> base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core team??? It’s a very bad >> sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! >> >> So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web >> technologies like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an >> US company who sees only money and legal issues. >> >> Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and >> develop experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to >> develop a technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, >> embedded space, mobile, watches, … >> >> Cheers, >> Tobi >> >> >> >> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : >> >> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also >> highlights a deeper problem here. >> >> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the >> topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. >> It's tied in with share prices, and market strategies. >> >> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We >> "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" >> customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a >> way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). >> >> >> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be >> discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a >> commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite >> method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? >> >> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant >> contributions back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA >> is fine for discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any >> of the real community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum >> because Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the >> significant platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we >> only hear about it after it's a done deal. >> >> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally >> flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact >> with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're >> not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Hey, I am trying to hose-down the political talk! I encourage everyone to take a deep breath and focus on the many positives of the awesome technology that is JavaFX :-) On 30 September 2013 20:03, Hervé Girod wrote: > It's not the place to talk politics here. If you want to channel your > frustration, do it in your blog if you have one. > > Hervé > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 30 sept. 2013, at 11:14, Tobias Bley wrote: > > > > I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting > concerning JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX > (and RoboVM) to build apps for the iPhone ( > https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this bug report is open > since 3(!) month! How shall the community build things for iOS if a very > base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core team??? It’s a very bad > sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! > > > > So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web > technologies like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an > US company who sees only money and legal issues. > > > > Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and > develop experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to > develop a technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, > embedded space, mobile, watches, … > > > > Cheers, > > Tobi > > > > > > > >> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : > >> > >> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also > highlights a deeper problem here. > >> > >> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because > the topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. > It's tied in with share prices, and market strategies. > >> > >> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We > "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" > customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a > way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). > >> > >> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be > discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a > commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite > method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? > >> > >> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant > contributions back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA > is fine for discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any > of the real community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum > because Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the > significant platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we > only hear about it after it's a done deal. > >> > >> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally > flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact > with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're > not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately > Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach > is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". > >> > >> All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone > nowhere - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work > (which Richard asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked > for), the jfx browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as > JIRA dashboards (which Richard again asked for). > >> > >> All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it > and then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a > lot of tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev > community, but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and > dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. > >> > >> The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin > and the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision > to not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform > shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would > have saved me days of work). > >> > >> That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since this > forum is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that Oracle > is listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out there > wanting to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving this > forum and working out what you can do without any access to the Oracle > guys, even if you make your own code contributions to the platform. Assume > you're an outsider - the cavalry is not coming, you're on your own. > >> > >> Given all that I'm walking away from
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
Pardon? It’s not allowed to discuss with the JavaFX community the future of the technology and community in their mailing list??? What’s up Hervé? Am 30.09.2013 um 12:03 schrieb Hervé Girod : > It's not the place to talk politics here. If you want to channel your > frustration, do it in your blog if you have one. > > Hervé > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 30 sept. 2013, at 11:14, Tobias Bley wrote: >> >> I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting >> concerning JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX >> (and RoboVM) to build apps for the iPhone >> (https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this bug report is open >> since 3(!) month! How shall the community build things for iOS if a very >> base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core team??? It’s a very bad sign >> for engaged developers outside Oracle! >> >> So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web technologies >> like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an US company >> who sees only money and legal issues. >> >> Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and >> develop experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to >> develop a technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, >> embedded space, mobile, watches, … >> >> Cheers, >> Tobi >> >> >> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : >>> >>> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also >>> highlights a deeper problem here. >>> >>> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the >>> topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. >>> It's tied in with share prices, and market strategies. >>> >>> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We >>> "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" >>> customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a >>> way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). >>> >>> >>> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be >>> discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a >>> commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite >>> method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? >>> >>> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions >>> back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for >>> discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real >>> community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because >>> Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant >>> platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear >>> about it after it's a done deal. >>> >>> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally >>> flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact >>> with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're >>> not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately >>> Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach >>> is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". >>> >>> All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone >>> nowhere - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work >>> (which Richard asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked >>> for), the jfx browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as >>> JIRA dashboards (which Richard again asked for). >>> >>> All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it and >>> then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a lot >>> of tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev >>> community, but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and >>> dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. >>> >>> The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin and >>> the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision to >>> not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform >>> shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would >>> have saved me days of work). >>> >>> That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since this >>> forum is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that Oracle >>> is listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out there >>> wanting to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving this >>> forum and working out what you can do without any access to the Oracle >>> guys, even if you make your own code contributions to the platform. Assume >>> yo
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
It's not the place to talk politics here. If you want to channel your frustration, do it in your blog if you have one. Hervé Sent from my iPhone > On 30 sept. 2013, at 11:14, Tobias Bley wrote: > > I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting concerning > JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX (and RoboVM) > to build apps for the iPhone (https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) > this bug report is open since 3(!) month! How shall the community build > things for iOS if a very base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core > team??? It’s a very bad sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! > > So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web technologies > like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an US company who > sees only money and legal issues. > > Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and develop > experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to develop a > technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, embedded > space, mobile, watches, … > > Cheers, > Tobi > > > >> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : >> >> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also >> highlights a deeper problem here. >> >> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the >> topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. It's >> tied in with share prices, and market strategies. >> >> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We >> "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" >> customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a >> way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). >> >> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be >> discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a >> commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite >> method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? >> >> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions >> back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for >> discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real >> community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because >> Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant >> platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear >> about it after it's a done deal. >> >> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally >> flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact >> with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're >> not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately >> Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach >> is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". >> >> All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone nowhere >> - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work (which Richard >> asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked for), the jfx >> browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as JIRA dashboards >> (which Richard again asked for). >> >> All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it and >> then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a lot of >> tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev community, >> but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and >> dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. >> >> The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin and >> the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision to >> not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform >> shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would >> have saved me days of work). >> >> That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since this >> forum is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that Oracle is >> listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out there wanting >> to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving this forum and >> working out what you can do without any access to the Oracle guys, even if >> you make your own code contributions to the platform. Assume you're an >> outsider - the cavalry is not coming, you're on your own. >> >> Given all that I'm walking away from this forum. I was waiting to hear about >> the iOS/Android stuff first, but really even if they did announce anything, >> it would be a long shot at best (untested, low resources, lack of s
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
I absolutely agree that it’s very important to release a stable solution. BUT: There is a ARM based version for embedded space available as beta version since a long time… so it’s important to TALK to the community. Otherwise Java and JavaFX == Oracle. No need to open source it. Am 30.09.2013 um 11:48 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet. > > As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1 > relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the > very last minute. I see this as a definite positive. To me that says that > they truly believed they would be able to have something for those sessions > but for whatever reason were not able to get across the finish line. I would > have been far more worried if they had never announced such sessions because > then we would know for certain that they do not have any concrete plans in > this area. > > I am optimistic that a *big* announcement is just around the corner. Of > course J1 would have been the perfect place for such an announcement but can > you imagine the damage to brand Java/JavaFX had they released a half-baked, > bug-ridden, slow-as-a-dog implementation of JavaFX on iOS or Android? Many > developers would have walked away from client-side Java forever and the press > would have gone into meltdown ridiculing the technology. > > If Oracle really does have something in the pipeline for iOS/Android then > they are absolutely right to get it *perfect* before they let it loose on the > public. > > Having said this though and as starry-eyed as I am, even I cannot wait > forever > > > On 30 September 2013 19:14, Tobias Bley wrote: > I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting concerning > JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX (and RoboVM) > to build apps for the iPhone (https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) > this bug report is open since 3(!) month! How shall the community build > things for iOS if a very base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core > team??? It’s a very bad sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! > > So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web technologies > like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an US company who > sees only money and legal issues. > > Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and develop > experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to develop a > technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, embedded > space, mobile, watches, … > > Cheers, > Tobi > > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : > >> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also >> highlights a deeper problem here. >> >> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the >> topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. It's >> tied in with share prices, and market strategies. >> >> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We >> "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" >> customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a >> way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). >> >> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be >> discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a >> commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite >> method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? >> >> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions >> back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for >> discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real >> community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because >> Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant >> platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear >> about it after it's a done deal. >> >> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally >> flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact >> with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're >> not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately >> Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach >> is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". >> >> All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone nowhere >> - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work (which Richard >> asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked for), the jfx >> browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as JIRA dashboards
Re: Moving on (forked from Re: JavaOne roundup?)
I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet. As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1 relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the very last minute. I see this as a definite positive. To me that says that they truly believed they would be able to have something for those sessions but for whatever reason were not able to get across the finish line. I would have been far more worried if they had never announced such sessions because then we would know for certain that they do not have any concrete plans in this area. I am optimistic that a *big* announcement is just around the corner. Of course J1 would have been the perfect place for such an announcement but can you imagine the damage to brand Java/JavaFX had they released a half-baked, bug-ridden, slow-as-a-dog implementation of JavaFX on iOS or Android? Many developers would have walked away from client-side Java forever and the press would have gone into meltdown ridiculing the technology. If Oracle really does have something in the pipeline for iOS/Android then they are *absolutely right* to get it *perfect* before they let it loose on the public. Having said this though and as starry-eyed as I am, even I cannot wait forever On 30 September 2013 19:14, Tobias Bley wrote: > I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting > concerning JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX > (and RoboVM) to build apps for the iPhone ( > https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this bug report is open > since 3(!) month! How shall the community build things for iOS if a very > base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core team??? It’s a very bad > sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! > > So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web > technologies like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an > US company who sees only money and legal issues. > > Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and > develop experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to > develop a technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, > embedded space, mobile, watches, … > > Cheers, > Tobi > > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : > > The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also > highlights a deeper problem here. > > We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the > topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. > It's tied in with share prices, and market strategies. > > So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We > "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" > customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a > way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). > > > What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be > discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a > commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite > method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? > > I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions > back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for > discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real > community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because > Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant > platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear > about it after it's a done deal. > > From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally > flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact > with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're > not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately > Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach > is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". > > All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone > nowhere - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work > (which Richard asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked > for), the jfx browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as > JIRA dashboards (which Richard again asked for). > > All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it and > then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a lot > of tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev > community, but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and > dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. > > The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin and > th
Re: JavaOne roundup?
Is there any good „how to make a JavaFX based app for iOS with bck2brwsr“ ? Or is there any maven or IDE plugin to test the project within one hour? Am 30.09.2013 um 11:25 schrieb Anton Epple : > Performance differs depending on the browser. bck2brwsr is heavily optimized > for Chrome. The demos I've seen are running with 40-50FPS on Chrome but much > slower in Firefox. Performance on Chrome seemed definitely good enough to > create "normal" applications. Being aware that some things are not yet > supported, bck2brwsr is currently a working solution to get JavaFX on any > device that has a modern Browser. > > --Toni > > > Am 30.09.2013 um 10:04 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > >> How well does a JavaFX application perform in what is a fully interpreted >> environment like bck2brwsr? >> >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:45, Anton Epple wrote: >> >>> I'm also optimistic. We've all seen that it's possible from the technical >>> side… I think it takes quite some time to get legal approvement inside >>> Oracle to show something. Probably those guys simply didn't get their talks >>> approved in time. >>> >>> BTW: There's a new implementation of JavaFX available using the bck2brwsr >>> project: >>> >>> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32965 >>> >>> It renders to HTML5 Canvas and runs in any modern browser including Android >>> phones and iPad/iPhone. Using Cordova, you can bundle as native apps. >>> >>> --Toni >>> >>> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : >>> No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass half full kinda guy :-) > On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: > > I suppose „legal reasons“…. > > For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: > JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like > Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who > needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > > > >> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : >> >> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I >> tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret >> hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic >> conversations with clients notwithstanding). >> >> Last week Tomas offered this: >> >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne >>> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. >> >> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the >> name "DukePad" by marketing again? >> >> :-) >> >> jeff >> >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >>> >>> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to >>> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any >>> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense >>> in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. >>> >>> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements >>> or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment >>> space? >>> >>> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before >>> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able >>> to give us some info? >>> >>> >>> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is pretty fast). Richard > On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski > wrote: > > Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the > JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? > >>> >
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Does Oracle really has an AOT based JVM for iOS and Android? Am 30.09.2013 um 11:16 schrieb Udo Rader : > If you add the pieces of information together (announced and then > shortly cancelled J1 talks), you perfectly get the right picture. > > The *problem* certainly is not the technical part. > > While I disagree that the RPi is just nerd stuff (the "embedded" market > is huge), I agree however that any further delay with JavaFX on Android > & iOS is really bad. > > I believe this situation is just as frustrating for the Oracle > *developers* like it is for the rest of the JavaFX community. > > "Public relations" in the core sense of its meaning has completely > failed here, IMHO. > > On 09/30/2013 10:03 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: >> I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, not >> just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they announce >> anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... >> >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: >>> >>> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android >>> does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this >>> people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who >>> needs it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, >>> iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really >>> love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. >>> That kind of development we need! >>> >>> Best, >>> Tobi >>> >>> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass half full kinda guy :-) > On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: > > I suppose „legal reasons“…. > > For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: > JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like > Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who > needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > > > >> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : >> >> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I >> tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret >> hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic >> conversations with clients notwithstanding). >> >> Last week Tomas offered this: >> >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne >>> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. >> >> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the >> name "DukePad" by marketing again? >> >> :-) >> >> jeff >> >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >>> >>> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to >>> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any >>> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense >>> in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. >>> >>> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements >>> or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment >>> space? >>> >>> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before >>> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able >>> to give us some info? >>> >>> >>> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is pretty fast). Richard > On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski > wrote: > > Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the > JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? >>> >
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Performance differs depending on the browser. bck2brwsr is heavily optimized for Chrome. The demos I've seen are running with 40-50FPS on Chrome but much slower in Firefox. Performance on Chrome seemed definitely good enough to create "normal" applications. Being aware that some things are not yet supported, bck2brwsr is currently a working solution to get JavaFX on any device that has a modern Browser. --Toni Am 30.09.2013 um 10:04 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > How well does a JavaFX application perform in what is a fully interpreted > environment like bck2brwsr? > > On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:45, Anton Epple wrote: > >> I'm also optimistic. We've all seen that it's possible from the technical >> side… I think it takes quite some time to get legal approvement inside >> Oracle to show something. Probably those guys simply didn't get their talks >> approved in time. >> >> BTW: There's a new implementation of JavaFX available using the bck2brwsr >> project: >> >> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32965 >> >> It renders to HTML5 Canvas and runs in any modern browser including Android >> phones and iPad/iPhone. Using Cordova, you can bundle as native apps. >> >> --Toni >> >> >> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : >> >>> No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it >>> happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. >>> >>> But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass >>> half full kinda guy :-) >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: I suppose „legal reasons“…. For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : > > It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I > tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret > hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic > conversations with clients notwithstanding). > > Last week Tomas offered this: > >> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne >> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. > > I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the > name "DukePad" by marketing again? > > :-) > > jeff > > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >> >> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to >> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any >> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense >> in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. >> >> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements or >> sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment space? >> >> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before >> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able >> to give us some info? >> >> >> >>> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: >>> >>> The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's >>> (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet >>> (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is >>> pretty fast). >>> >>> Richard >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? >>
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Yes but the point is: that has nothing to do with a real „JavaFX community“. Am 30.09.2013 um 10:03 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, not > just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they announce > anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: >> >> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android >> does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this >> people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who needs >> it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, >> iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really >> love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. >> That kind of development we need! >> >> Best, >> Tobi >> >> >> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : >>> >>> No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it >>> happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. >>> >>> But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass >>> half full kinda guy :-) >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: I suppose „legal reasons“…. For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : > > It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I > tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret > hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic > conversations with clients notwithstanding). > > Last week Tomas offered this: > >> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne >> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. > > I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the > name "DukePad" by marketing again? > > :-) > > jeff > > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >> >> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to >> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any >> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense >> in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. >> >> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements or >> sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment space? >> >> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before >> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able >> to give us some info? >> >> >> >>> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: >>> >>> The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's >>> (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet >>> (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is >>> pretty fast). >>> >>> Richard >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? >>
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I'm also optimistic. We've all seen that it's possible from the technical side… I think it takes quite some time to get legal approvement inside Oracle to show something. Probably those guys simply didn't get their talks legally approved in time. BTW: There's a new implementation of JavaFX available using the bck2brwsr project: https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32965 It renders to HTML5 Canvas and runs in any modern browser including Android phones and iPad/iPhone. Using Cordova, you can bundle as native apps. --ToniAnton Epple Eppleton IT Consulting Bergmannstr. 66 80339 München Tel: +49 (0)89 54043186 * Java Champion: http://java-champions.java.net * NetBeans Dream Team Member: http://dreamteam.netbeans.org * Community Leader JavaTools: http://community.java.net/javatools * Blog: http://jayskills.com/news-2/ Connect on: * XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Anton_Epple * LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/203/555 * Twitter @monacotoni Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it > happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. > > But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass > half full kinda guy :-) > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: >> >> I suppose „legal reasons“…. >> >> For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: >> JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like Rasp.PI, >> DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who needs JavaFX >> on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( >> >> >> >>> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : >>> >>> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I tried >>> to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret hopes >>> based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic conversations with >>> clients notwithstanding). >>> >>> Last week Tomas offered this: >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. >>> >>> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the >>> name "DukePad" by marketing again? >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> jeff >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment space? What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able to give us some info? > On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: > > The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's > (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet (not > sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is pretty > fast). > > Richard > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >> >> Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the JavaOne >> sessions relating to javafx? >>
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If you add the pieces of information together (announced and then shortly cancelled J1 talks), you perfectly get the right picture. The *problem* certainly is not the technical part. While I disagree that the RPi is just nerd stuff (the "embedded" market is huge), I agree however that any further delay with JavaFX on Android & iOS is really bad. I believe this situation is just as frustrating for the Oracle *developers* like it is for the rest of the JavaFX community. "Public relations" in the core sense of its meaning has completely failed here, IMHO. On 09/30/2013 10:03 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, not > just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they announce > anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: >> >> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android >> does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this >> people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who needs >> it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, >> iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really >> love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. >> That kind of development we need! >> >> Best, >> Tobi >> >> >> >>> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : >>> >>> No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it >>> happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. >>> >>> But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass >>> half full kinda guy :-) >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: I suppose „legal reasons“…. For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( > Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : > > It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I > tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret > hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic > conversations with clients notwithstanding). > > Last week Tomas offered this: > >> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne >> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. > > I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the > name "DukePad" by marketing again? > > :-) > > jeff > > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >> >> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to >> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any >> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense >> in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. >> >> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements or >> sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment space? >> >> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before >> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able >> to give us some info? >> >> >> >>> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: >>> >>> The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's >>> (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet >>> (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is >>> pretty fast). >>> >>> Richard >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? >>
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I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting concerning JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX (and RoboVM) to build apps for the iPhone (https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this bug report is open since 3(!) month! How shall the community build things for iOS if a very base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core team??? It’s a very bad sign for engaged developers outside Oracle! So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web technologies like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an US company who sees only money and legal issues. Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and develop experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to develop a technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, embedded space, mobile, watches, … Cheers, Tobi Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski : > The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also > highlights a deeper problem here. > > We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the > topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. It's > tied in with share prices, and market strategies. > > So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We > "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" > customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a > way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). > > What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be > discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a > commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite > method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? > > I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions > back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for > discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real > community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because > Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant > platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear about > it after it's a done deal. > > From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally > flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact with > a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're not > trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately Oracle's > culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach is a little > like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". > > All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone nowhere > - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work (which Richard > asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked for), the jfx > browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as JIRA dashboards > (which Richard again asked for). > > All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it and then > just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a lot of tools > and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev community, but > instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and dissatisfaction, > a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. > > The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin and > the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision to > not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform > shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would > have saved me days of work). > > That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since this forum > is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that Oracle is > listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out there wanting > to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving this forum and > working out what you can do without any access to the Oracle guys, even if > you make your own code contributions to the platform. Assume you're an > outsider - the cavalry is not coming, you're on your own. > > Given all that I'm walking away from this forum. I was waiting to hear about > the iOS/Android stuff first, but really even if they did announce anything, > it would be a long shot at best (untested, low resources, lack of solid > direction and most likely tied in with some Oracle ADF garbage or similar). > The uncertainty created by Oracle's mixed messages also killed all momentum > on the community RoboVM work. Meanwhile web based stuff is getting stronger, > cleaner and better tool support at an exponential rate, including
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The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also highlights a deeper problem here. We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. It's tied in with share prices, and market strategies. So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!). What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing? I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear about it after it's a done deal. >From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone nowhere - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work (which Richard asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked for), the jfx browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as JIRA dashboards (which Richard again asked for). All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it and then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a lot of tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev community, but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin and the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision to not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would have saved me days of work). That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since this forum is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that Oracle is listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out there wanting to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving this forum and working out what you can do without any access to the Oracle guys, even if you make your own code contributions to the platform. Assume you're an outsider - the cavalry is not coming, you're on your own. Given all that I'm walking away from this forum. I was waiting to hear about the iOS/Android stuff first, but really even if they did announce anything, it would be a long shot at best (untested, low resources, lack of solid direction and most likely tied in with some Oracle ADF garbage or similar). The uncertainty created by Oracle's mixed messages also killed all momentum on the community RoboVM work. Meanwhile web based stuff is getting stronger, cleaner and better tool support at an exponential rate, including in the mobile space. If JavaFX one day actually provides a usable platform for non-Oracle entrenched customers, and the developer world notices, I'll certainly consider it. I reckon I'll hear about that through the usual tech media channels first, rather than through here though. As Oracle themselves pointed out at the 2012 JavaOne session the smart money is on web based stuff (check out backbone.js and marionette.js for a desktop-like coding experience, not bad and will get better faster than JFX improves). On that note, the JavaFX Maven plugin is about to go into decay mode. It needs to be updated to work on Maven 3.1 (some libraries have changed from 3.0) and there are a number of bugs and feature requests building up that I've been ignoring. I have no incentive to do any of this so it will unfortunately just rot. If anyone wants to pick it up, let me know (you need a few free hours a week just to maintain it). I'm picking up stumps and moving on. I also have the access rights for the openjfx Maven repo on Sonatype (needed to deploy to Maven central). I imagine Sonatype would grant this access to others if you apply and mak
Re: JavaOne roundup?
I am sure Oracle management "get it". There are lots of issues here, not just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they announce anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet... > On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley wrote: > > I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android does > not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this people > use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who needs it? Why > don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, iOS/Android > widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really love useful > stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. That kind of > development we need! > > Best, > Tobi > > > >> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : >> >> No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it >> happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. >> >> But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass >> half full kinda guy :-) >> >>> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: >>> >>> I suppose „legal reasons“…. >>> >>> For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: >>> JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like >>> Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who >>> needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( >>> >>> >>> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic conversations with clients notwithstanding). Last week Tomas offered this: > about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne > stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the name "DukePad" by marketing again? :-) jeff > On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: > > The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to get > an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any case. > Given this is the developer community network it would make sense in my > mind to highlight stuff like that in here. > > For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements or > sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment space? > > What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before > (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able to > give us some info? > > > >> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: >> >> The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's >> (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet >> (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is >> pretty fast). >> >> Richard >> >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the >>> JavaOne sessions relating to javafx? >
Re: JavaOne roundup?
I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who needs it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. That kind of development we need! Best, Tobi Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it > happening soon, JavaFX is already dead. > > But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass > half full kinda guy :-) > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley wrote: >> >> I suppose „legal reasons“…. >> >> For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: >> JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like Rasp.PI, >> DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who needs JavaFX >> on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :( >> >> >> >>> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin : >>> >>> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I tried >>> to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret hopes >>> based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic conversations with >>> clients notwithstanding). >>> >>> Last week Tomas offered this: >>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer. >>> >>> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the >>> name "DukePad" by marketing again? >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> jeff >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here. For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment space? What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able to give us some info? > On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair wrote: > > The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's > (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet (not > sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is pretty > fast). > > Richard > >> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >> >> Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the JavaOne >> sessions relating to javafx? >>
Re: Event for when a node gets shown on screen
Hi Pedro, you've hit our second oldest open feature request :-) https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-129 Regards, Pavel On 29.9.2013 16:57, Pedro Duque Vieira wrote: Hi, More than once or twice I had the need to do something when a node first gets shown on screen. Like for instance do some animation or setup some parameters which are only valid when the node is showing. For this reason I think there is a need for an event that is triggered when the node becomes live, i.e. is shown on screen. Thanks, best regards,
