Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Amazing! Cannot wait to try it soon -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Cristina Videira Lopes Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:49 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Thanks all for the pointers. I now understand a lot better what these handles are all about, and I've done the first step into pervasive hyperlinking within OpenSim. Starting in r8193, if you're in an HG-enabled region, you'll be able to dynamically link sims, and TP there, in any one of these ways (and probably more) 1) Type for example secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007/ in the chat box, pull up the chat history and click on that link 2) Pull up the map and search for things like ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007 3) Using the embedded browser visit pages that have links like secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007/ (there's one up at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/hypergrid/test.html) What I've done is to take advantage of the viewer's existing machinery, especially its interpretation of secondlife:// handles, which expect a region name to follow. When that name is not found in the local grid, this new code kicks in, and does the magic. This doesn't address the launching of the viewer, which is a separate issue, and one that slurl and similar mechanisms like rezzme:// try to address. What it does is, after you're already logged in soomewhere, you can go hypergriding around in a very easy way, all within the viewer's capabilities. The static link-region command and uploads over the web, is still very useful because it supports permanent links. The ones I added are not (intended to be) permanent, they (will) come and go. Feedback welcome! Crista Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Forgot to say this. If you want to experience this right now without installing, you can try it in UCI's regions in OSGrid, UCI Welcome and UC Irvine. Kyle wrote: Amazing! Cannot wait to try it soon -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Cristina Videira Lopes Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:49 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Thanks all for the pointers. I now understand a lot better what these handles are all about, and I've done the first step into pervasive hyperlinking within OpenSim. Starting in r8193, if you're in an HG-enabled region, you'll be able to dynamically link sims, and TP there, in any one of these ways (and probably more) 1) Type for example secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007/ in the chat box, pull up the chat history and click on that link 2) Pull up the map and search for things like ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007 3) Using the embedded browser visit pages that have links like secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007/ (there's one up at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/hypergrid/test.html) What I've done is to take advantage of the viewer's existing machinery, especially its interpretation of secondlife:// handles, which expect a region name to follow. When that name is not found in the local grid, this new code kicks in, and does the magic. This doesn't address the launching of the viewer, which is a separate issue, and one that slurl and similar mechanisms like rezzme:// try to address. What it does is, after you're already logged in soomewhere, you can go hypergriding around in a very easy way, all within the viewer's capabilities. The static link-region command and uploads over the web, is still very useful because it supports permanent links. The ones I added are not (intended to be) permanent, they (will) come and go. Feedback welcome! Crista Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
This is impressive and faster than using link-region. It made me wonder whether there was a keyboard shortcut for the in-viewer browser, but I cannot see one in the web pages that list the shortcuts.. Worked fine through the chat window, though. -p Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Forgot to say this. If you want to experience this right now without installing, you can try it in UCI's regions in OSGrid, UCI Welcome and UC Irvine. Kyle wrote: Amazing! Cannot wait to try it soon -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Cristina Videira Lopes Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:49 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Thanks all for the pointers. I now understand a lot better what these handles are all about, and I've done the first step into pervasive hyperlinking within OpenSim. Starting in r8193, if you're in an HG-enabled region, you'll be able to dynamically link sims, and TP there, in any one of these ways (and probably more) 1) Type for example secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007/ in the chat box, pull up the chat history and click on that link 2) Pull up the map and search for things like ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007 3) Using the embedded browser visit pages that have links like secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9007/ (there's one up at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/hypergrid/test.html) What I've done is to take advantage of the viewer's existing machinery, especially its interpretation of secondlife:// handles, which expect a region name to follow. When that name is not found in the local grid, this new code kicks in, and does the magic. This doesn't address the launching of the viewer, which is a separate issue, and one that slurl and similar mechanisms like rezzme:// try to address. What it does is, after you're already logged in soomewhere, you can go hypergriding around in a very easy way, all within the viewer's capabilities. The static link-region command and uploads over the web, is still very useful because it supports permanent links. The ones I added are not (intended to be) permanent, they (will) come and go. Feedback welcome! Crista Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Paul Fishwick, PhD Professor and Director, Digital Arts and Sciences Programs University of Florida Computer Information Science and Eng. Dept. Bldg. CSE, Room 301 P.O. Box 116120 Gainesville, FL 32611 Email: fishw...@cise.ufl.edu Phone: (352) 392-1414 Fax: (352) 392-1220 Web: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Mic Bowman wrote: Is there any way to report on the grid coordinates for the linked region so you can tell whether the link is within the acceptable 4096 range? something like gridinfo... Yes, I'm finally going to add that check in the link-region machinery. It's really simple. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
I don't think this is really practical, different users will want things running on different ports. And we need to allow all ports to be changed. Also some people might be running multiple grids (servers) on one physical server. So they all couldn't be running their discovery service on the same port. Frank Nichols fr...@thenichols.net wrote: Would it be possible to standardize a port or address for discovery of a grid's connection data. The point being to remove having to include the port number in the link. The discovery address would not be for connection, but would respond with a standard answer giving details about what regions and what ports you need to use to connect to that grid and possibly what version it is running for compatibility checking. Dirk Krause wrote: just for the record: http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/2009/01/07/addressing-places-in-virtual-worldsor-why-slurls-are-bad/ -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de im Auftrag von Cristina Videira Lopes Gesendet: Do 29.01.2009 20:05 An: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Betreff: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Dirk, How do I make the SL viewer underline these things? I still don't know what packet is involved, but I can see that urls like these http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/ secondlife://Foo/ result in something being sent to the server querying for region Foo. That's all I need to make it happen. But this: rezzme://Foo/ doesn't. I mean, I can always do what I want via an OS scripting function, but if there's a way of doing it via a simple click, that would be ideal. Crista Dirk Krause wrote: just for the record: http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/2009/01/07/addressing-places-in-virtual-worldsor-why-slurls-are-bad/ -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de im Auftrag von Cristina Videira Lopes Gesendet: Do 29.01.2009 20:05 An: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Betreff: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Dirk, How do I make the SL viewer underline these things? I still don't know what packet is involved, but I can see that urls like these http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/ secondlife://Foo/ result in something being sent to the server querying for region Foo. That's all I need to make it happen. do you? what if Foo is on another grid? is that taken care by HG? But this: rezzme://Foo/ doesn't. I mean, I can always do what I want via an OS scripting function, but if there's a way of doing it via a simple click, that would be ideal. no. the SL client is not aware of the rezzme URI handler it then seems. i guess it all depends on how it picks up URI handlers... -- dr dirk husemann virtual worlds research ibm zurich research lab SL: dr scofield drscofi...@xyzzyxyzzy.net http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/ RL: h...@zurich.ibm.com - +41 44 724 8573 - http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~hud/ ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Dr Scofield wrote: Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Dirk, How do I make the SL viewer underline these things? I still don't know what packet is involved, but I can see that urls like these http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/ secondlife://Foo/ result in something being sent to the server querying for region Foo. That's all I need to make it happen. do you? what if Foo is on another grid? is that taken care by HG? But this: rezzme://Foo/ doesn't. I mean, I can always do what I want via an OS scripting function, but if there's a way of doing it via a simple click, that would be ideal. no. the SL client is not aware of the rezzme URI handler it then seems. i guess it all depends on how it picks up URI handlers... actually, i think the SL client needs to be modified so that it picks up RezzMe URIs. see my comment re hippo viewer. -- dr dirk husemann virtual worlds research ibm zurich research lab SL: dr scofield drscofi...@xyzzyxyzzy.net http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/ RL: h...@zurich.ibm.com - +41 44 724 8573 - http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~hud/ ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
At 11:02 30/01/2009, Dirk Krause dirk.kra...@pixelpark.com wrote: I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see the New World Grid folks are working on http://osurl.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Dr Scofield wrote: Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Dirk, How do I make the SL viewer underline these things? I still don't know what packet is involved, but I can see that urls like these http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/ secondlife://Foo/ result in something being sent to the server querying for region Foo. That's all I need to make it happen. do you? what if Foo is on another grid? is that taken care by HG? I mean I can take care of urls like this: http://slurl.com/secondlife/ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ What follows after /secondlife/ is the variable part, it seems (my Foo before :-); the important thing is that the viewer seems to understand that urls like this http://slurl.com/secondlife/... are supposed to send something to the server, as opposed to pulling up a web browser like the other URLs do. Same with secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ As long as the viewer sends that variable part to the server (thinking that it's a region name), or any other string resulting from an hyperlink, I can make it happen. But if the info doesn't go, that is not possible. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
the //slurl is an assiociation handled at the web browser level. it's like downloading a zip that run the unpacker. lc On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Cristina Videira Lopes lo...@ics.uci.eduwrote: Dr Scofield wrote: Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: Dirk, How do I make the SL viewer underline these things? I still don't know what packet is involved, but I can see that urls like thesehttp://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/secondlife://Foo/ result in something being sent to the server querying for region Foo. That's all I need to make it happen. do you? what if Foo is on another grid? is that taken care by HG? I mean I can take care of urls like this: http://slurl.com/secondlife/ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ What follows after /secondlife/ is the variable part, it seems (my Foo before :-); the important thing is that the viewer seems to understand that urls like this http://slurl.com/secondlife/... are supposed to send something to the server, as opposed to pulling up a web browser like the other URLs do. Same with secondlife://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ As long as the viewer sends that variable part to the server (thinking that it's a region name), or any other string resulting from an hyperlink, I can make it happen. But if the info doesn't go, that is not possible. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Wow Christa amazingly cool idea! We have implemented HG on www.reactiongrid.com to great success are thrilled you are doing even more! -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Cristina Videira Lopes Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:05 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
just for the record: http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/2009/01/07/addressing-places-in-virtual-worldsor-why-slurls-are-bad/ -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de im Auftrag von Cristina Videira Lopes Gesendet: Do 29.01.2009 20:05 An: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Betreff: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev winmail.dat___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle
Would it be possible to standardize a port or address for discovery of a grid's connection data. The point being to remove having to include the port number in the link. The discovery address would not be for connection, but would respond with a standard answer giving details about what regions and what ports you need to use to connect to that grid and possibly what version it is running for compatibility checking. Dirk Krause wrote: just for the record: http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/2009/01/07/addressing-places-in-virtual-worldsor-why-slurls-are-bad/ -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de im Auftrag von Cristina Videira Lopes Gesendet: Do 29.01.2009 20:05 An: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Betreff: [Opensim-dev] TP protocol handle Hi, I want to take HG TPs to the next logical step and support dynamic links, that is, the ability for the user to simply click on something like this http://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/ and be teleported there from anywhere on the Metaverse. The question is: what should these handles look like? I see a variety of protocol handles out there, and I confess I don't understand entirely how the viewer handles these -- but I'll figure it out. In any case, I see: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Foo/126/32/ secondlife://Foo/126/32/ (this doesn't come underlined on my viewer, for some reason) rezzme://ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu:9003/Foo/126/32 (this also doesn't come underlined) Obviously, the closest to what we need is the rezzme handler. Is that working already? Should I take that on for the hypergrid? Or something else? Does anyone know if/how the viewer sends that hyperlink clicking event to the server? Crista ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
