Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
On 5/9/2010 7:17 AM, bsd wrote: Oracle has already stated explicitly there are some technologies in Solaris 10 that will not be in OpenSolaris. Those would be the ones we've EOL'ed, like the old Live Upgrade, CDE, and Xsun.Unless you're confusing the OpenSolaris terms and referring to the source base, not the distro - there are some technologies that are not being open sourced. This indicates they are developing Solaris 10 independently of OpenSolairs, and given that OpenSolaris isn't a revenue generator, well, you make your own conclusions Solaris 10 is the stable branch of the operating system, OpenSolaris is the development branch - they are developed independently only insamuch as any software product with separate stable and development branches. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
On 5/9/2010 6:26 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: And one last thing: anyone outside of Oracle Sr. Management (or anyone Sr. Management has authorized to speak officially on it's behalf, e.g. Oracle Sales) that says /ANYTHING/ about the actual direction of Solaris, is either lying to you, pulling it out of their ass, engaging in wishful thinking, or has another agenda. The only people who Truly Know (tm) have said what they've said, and we're stuck waiting for them to clarify it and fill in the blanks for us. And even they change their minds, so what they said last month may not be true this month, such as the recent changes re-expanding support for third-party hardware after previously announcing plans to cut it back. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] where does opensolaris store its network related configurations? any file or something like that?
there is stuff in /etc/nwam/ nwam is the new way in which solaris configures networking On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Sarah kho wrote: > hi, > can you please let me know where does opensolaris keep network > configurations, is there some configuration file for them? > > thanks. > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] where does opensolaris store its network related configurations? any file or something like that?
hi, can you please let me know where does opensolaris keep network configurations, is there some configuration file for them? thanks. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
--- On Sun, 5/9/10, Erik Trimble wrote: > From: Erik Trimble > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong > To: > Cc: "os-discuss Discuss" > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 9:26 AM > Calum Benson wrote: > > On 8 May 2010, at 13:35, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > > > > > >> Oracle is just big company where every decision > takes years and yes, they don't care so much about fans. > >> > > > > Actually, if there's one thing I've noticed since I > became an Oracle employee, it's that they generally make > decisions quicker than Sun did. > > > > Cheeri, > > Calum. > > > > > We, let's not guzzle the Kool Aid quite so much, > there, Calum. > > Of course, I think we're comparing a Glacier with a Lava > flow, and not just in speed, either. > > > That said, there's about as much chance of Oracle nixing > Solaris as they would Java - fundamentally, it's what they > bought the company for. Frankly, I would > see Oracle Mgmt off the entire rest of the Sun long before I > see them killing off either Java or Solaris. There's simply > too much money (to be made) in both to kill such golden > geese. > > Of course, I expect that the path both Solaris and Java > take will look different than what Sun had mapped out. > Exactly how different - and in what ways - is of course what > all this hub-bub is about. > > And one last thing: anyone outside of > Oracle Sr. Management (or anyone Sr. Management has > authorized to speak officially on it's behalf, e.g. Oracle > Sales) that says /ANYTHING/ about the actual > direction of Solaris, is either lying to you, pulling it out > of their ass, engaging in wishful thinking, or has another > agenda. The only people who Truly Know (tm) have > said what they've said, and we're stuck waiting for them to > clarify it and fill in the blanks for us. > > > > And, that last section applies to me, too. I'm not > Oracle Sr. Management, and I'm certainly not authorized to > speak on their behalf. So, I must be a liar, a cheat, > or a dreamer, right? > > -- Erik Trimble Well... Oracle did say what they intended to do with Solaris, Sun legacy products, support plans, and other tales - but that is subject to change like anything else in the world. Where is this documented? Ok, there was a bunch of stuff posted on the Oracle website on presentations Oracle was providing at city tours a few months ago. Oracle talked about Sun's hardware, new products lines, open source review (like Glassfish, DS, etc). Not everyone was up to speed on many things - but hey, Oracle has a lot of knobs to grab around Sun's legacy technologies - give them a break! All this 'crap' really is misleading on corporate secrecy because that level of FUD would undermine many government/VAR/ISP/OEM types that have large deployments of Solaris hardware/software. There are times in discussions (i.e. IRC/forums/etc) where an engineer or someone might pass on what they heard (I've done it myself) based on break/fix analysis or hearsay - but the official word comes from some Oracle "manager" or Oracle gate-keeper, not a third-party. Plain and simple. Call an Oracle Sales Rep otherwise - if just to get that 'warm and fuzzy' answer. As for what is in Oracle Solaris "11", that is just a whiteboard to the outside world. For a few of us, Glynn Foster scribbled out these notes a few months ago for OpenSolaris 2010.03: http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gman/opensolaris-whats-new-2010-03/ But that does not mean these features will end up in Oracle Solaris 11 or will end up in some enhanced 'value-add' form. The OpenSolaris project is just a wunderfunk of ideas and subprojects. There are closed source binaries and applications that can find their way into the distribution of Oracle Solaris. Today, we have Oracle Solaris 10, the larger SXCE (now defunct), or OSOL-DEV_b134. I'd think for many people that is good enough for many projects. As for speculating on Oracle Solaris 11, a few things can be put on Oracle Solaris 10 until that big release day happens. Just wait and be patient. Maybe we'll be on GNOME 3.0 for the next release by then...who knows? Just enjoy the ride and stop kicking the tires ~ Ken Mays ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
bsd wrote: Oracle has already stated explicitly there are some technologies in Solaris 10 that will not be in OpenSolaris. This indicates they are developing Solaris 10 independently of OpenSolairs, and given that OpenSolaris isn't a revenue generator, well, you make your own conclusions See previous discussions on this point. And my last point in my email. -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Timezone: US/Pacific (GMT-0800) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
Oracle has already stated explicitly there are some technologies in Solaris 10 that will not be in OpenSolaris. This indicates they are developing Solaris 10 independently of OpenSolairs, and given that OpenSolaris isn't a revenue generator, well, you make your own conclusions -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
Calum Benson wrote: On 8 May 2010, at 13:35, Tomas Bodzar wrote: Oracle is just big company where every decision takes years and yes, they don't care so much about fans. Actually, if there's one thing I've noticed since I became an Oracle employee, it's that they generally make decisions quicker than Sun did. Cheeri, Calum. We, let's not guzzle the Kool Aid quite so much, there, Calum. Of course, I think we're comparing a Glacier with a Lava flow, and not just in speed, either. That said, there's about as much chance of Oracle nixing Solaris as they would Java - fundamentally, it's what they bought the company for. Frankly, I would see Oracle Mgmt off the entire rest of the Sun long before I see them killing off either Java or Solaris. There's simply too much money (to be made) in both to kill such golden geese. Of course, I expect that the path both Solaris and Java take will look different than what Sun had mapped out. Exactly how different - and in what ways - is of course what all this hub-bub is about. And one last thing: anyone outside of Oracle Sr. Management (or anyone Sr. Management has authorized to speak officially on it's behalf, e.g. Oracle Sales) that says /ANYTHING/ about the actual direction of Solaris, is either lying to you, pulling it out of their ass, engaging in wishful thinking, or has another agenda. The only people who Truly Know (tm) have said what they've said, and we're stuck waiting for them to clarify it and fill in the blanks for us. And, that last section applies to me, too. I'm not Oracle Sr. Management, and I'm certainly not authorized to speak on their behalf. So, I must be a liar, a cheat, or a dreamer, right? -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Timezone: US/Pacific (GMT-0800) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
badmagic wrote: "It seems (I'm afraid that) ever since Oracle took over Sun Microsystems, Solaris stands to die a protracted and painful death by attrition." You are wrong. There are a lot of people who're going to stay with it, including myself, no matter what the press says, no matter how marketing and middle management hose up various efforts. Sun's move to open source their OS & tech was sort of a corporate singularity, there's no going back from that kind of transforming evolution. There's also the sheer installed base of Solaris out there, it's massive, and not about to switch to Linux, or other commercial Unixes. That professional feed bag aside, the fact is that Solaris has some really outstanding technology going on with it, and has had technology for features that other Unixes either don't have, or are struggling with still. You can't go by how well marketing at Oracle will do with the Sun brand, or Solaris. They may do an awful job of interacting with the OpenSolaris community, but they're not Apple either. This is an open garden, and not a high temple either. I am a bit frustrated with the perception that Oracle is in any way interested in bleeding away a big pile of money without success. You don't see tons of marketers beating drums here, but how much of that do people really want anyway? It's not really needed so much. As for the press, did you know that it recently was proven beyond a doubt that the Donner party ate no people? Since they got caught in a bad storm over a hundred years ago, the press just yapped the same old lies. That even though they really could have known better with some research, since there are books that documented the truth gathering old dust. My point is, the press is filled with people who like to tell stories. They don't always know, or care about the truth, even when they claim otherwise. Granted, politicians are often worse about that than anyone else, but they're special in their own special short bus sort of way too. Some emails made it obvious that my attempt at sarcasm & humor didn't convey what I intended, so I wanted to make it clear that I was poking some fun for a reason. Mergers are a bitch, and this is unlike anything Oracle has done in the past. It'll take some time for them to work things out to their liking. That won't have a huge effect on OpenSolaris though, it's a fairly round wheel with a good rim & tire on it to start with, not a recap as it were. Other OS's have design flaws that will make it a lot harder for them to do some of the things that people can take for granted in OpenSolaris. Realtime computing stands out as one of the glaring examples currently. Tim -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
