Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
In my opinion OpenSolaris is to difficult OS for average computer user . Lot of thing must be configurated in shell or configuration files . To faster progression in market of desktops osol should have more graphical configurators , more user friendly shell esier instaling/packaging system like *.PBI from PCBSD and more programs :) But I belive on Opensolaris becouste development rate of this system is very fast and Osol become multioperational system Like Debian Or NetBsd :) I'im waitng impatiently for 2009.06 release :) Ps. Is possible install Polaris on PS3 console withouth Emulation ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
The Prophets said: Solaris will prospers, Lindoz is to die. Clarence CHU clc...@hotmail.com -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
AIPAC? The most powerful organization in the world? Sorry, never heard of them. New Zealand, yes, soon the whole world will be New Zealand. Seriously, I agree with the below, but want to add: ROI = Potential revenue - Cost(Development, Maintenance, Marketing) Potential revenue =f(User-base) To convince some company to incur Cost, by developing for that platform (Think hardware drivers), they need to see a Potential revenue first to offset that Cost. They need to consider long-term support/maintenance issues, etc. Now if someone could just teach Mighty Sun to Market, it would take away a major cost factor from the many Systems Integrators, Hardware manufacturers, etc and thus improve there potential long-term ROI. User-base = f(Uptake(Marketing, User-experience)) I see much work being done on fixing the User Experience. We come back to Marketing as the missing puzzle piece. So I have a theory that Sun needs to put Full-page adds in Gaming magazines (Any magazines would actually be a good start). Computer gamers read gaming magazines. Computer gamers have never heard of Sun Microsystems. Today's Computer Gamers represent a large portion of tomorrow's IT business decision makers (Often the only guy at his/her first job that knows how to install Windows) OK, and please make the Sun Logo on java.com BIGGER!!! On 4/7/09, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > It's really simple. Linux is more popular because it's more popular. The > same reason why windows is more popular than linux. Most people don't care > about the OS. They make OS decisions based on application availability, and > although a lot of applications exist for Linux & Solaris & Windows > harmoniously, people choose the OS that supports whichever of the following > they may care about: > MS Office > Cadence > Synopsys > Mentor Graphics > Etc > > Not to mention ... > Video game du jour > Some piece of hardware > Etc > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Bisu July > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:17 AM > > To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > > Subject: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies? > > > > Have you met some kind of resistance in a company, when you suggested > > Solaris instead of Linux? Why this resistance? > > > > Frankly, Linux is not on par with Solaris, and also Solaris is cheaper > > than Linux, and still Linux prospers. The same with FreeBSD, which is > > more stable and also free. Still it is only Linux that prospers and get > > all the attention in the media. Why has everyone jumped on the Linux > > band wagon? What makes Linux so special, while other free and open > > Unices doesnt get much attention in media? > > > > After much research and thinking I believe I have an answer. I claim > > that Linux propers because of POLITICS. To prove my claim I have to > > present my proofs in a rigorous fashion, just as in academics. > > Everything will be clear at the end. But I will have to begin from the > > beginning. Read on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard about the mightiest lobby organisation in the world? It > > is the israeli lobby group called AIPAC. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac > > They used to act in secrecy, but as internet grows the knowledge about > > AIPAC spreads. "Esse non vidare" - to act but not be noticed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Former Ex President Jimmy Carter on AIPAC: > > http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-29/carter-on- > > iran/2/ > > > > "AIPAC is the dominant voice among the Israeli organizations in this > > country. And if you look at the purpose of AIPAC, it’s not to promote > > peace, it’s not to bring peace to Israel, it’s to promote and defend > > the policies of the incumbent government in Israel. And so they defend > > Israel. It’s politically impossible, as you know, for any member of > > Congress to make a public statement condemning or criticizing the > > policies of Israel. It would be political suicidal for them to do so. A > > lot of the members of Congress agree with me, some very high up in the > > Congress. But if they came out publicly and said it, their seats would > > be in danger." > > > > > > > > > > > > Professor from Harvard and Chicago universities on AIPAC in this > > research article: > > http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
> Ché Kristo wrote: > >> What do you say? Am I well researched? Could this > be > >> true? Does it make sense? SUN is loosing because > of > >> POLITICS? > >> > > > > I don't think your world view and mine even > remotely connect so I don't think I am able to > critique your "analysis" on its merits. I will say > this though; AIPAC is as valid a lobby group as any > other...I know for sure that my government > (Australian Commonwealth) has lobbied on behalf of > our industry and interests in the USA also. Doe this > mean that there is some worldwide Australian > conspiracy? I think not. But don't get me started on > the New Zealand lobby, they're up to something > sinister :-P > > > Who us? Were too busy counting all the profits from > selling milk! > If you can walk on water NZ is closer to a Harvard business degree. ---Bob -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
Ché Kristo wrote: What do you say? Am I well researched? Could this be true? Does it make sense? SUN is loosing because of POLITICS? I don't think your world view and mine even remotely connect so I don't think I am able to critique your "analysis" on its merits. I will say this though; AIPAC is as valid a lobby group as any other...I know for sure that my government (Australian Commonwealth) has lobbied on behalf of our industry and interests in the USA also. Doe this mean that there is some worldwide Australian conspiracy? I think not. But don't get me started on the New Zealand lobby, they're up to something sinister :-P Who us? Were too busy counting all the profits from selling milk! -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
bisjuly said: > All Media companies prefer Google. And Finance companies prefer... RedHat. > Recently SuSE was bought, so now I expect SuSE to receive lots of orders too. > I > think it is hard to build a company around FreeBSD or Solaris and sell it. > But > Linux is ok to build an Israeli company around. RedHat doesnt have to > fight for orders, all finance companies switch from Unix to Linux. > RedHat gets all the orders without asking. > And the Israeli naturally give Linux and RedHat much attention in media. > And support the RedHat stock via finance companies. It is politics. Next time > an > Israeli company is created, buy stock immediately, because it will get lots > of > orders without asking for them, see RedHat and Google stock. Bisjuly, your argument makes no rational sense. First of all, the people who control the destiny of the Linux kernel are Linus Torvalds and Jim Zemlin from the Linux Foundation... Jim Zemlin (see link below) is kind of like Linus's baby-sitter: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3766956/Jim+Zemlin+The+New+Center+of+Linux+Gravity.htm whereas a lot of the people who stand to profit most from the success of OpenSolaris (our operating system) have last names like Leventhal, Schwartz, Lehman, etc. etc. which are names that are not exactly uncommon in Israel, so if your theory were true, then OpenSolaris would be getting just as much support in media as is given to Red Hat and Suse. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
Utterly mad. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
Have you met some kind of resistance in a company, when you suggested Solaris instead of Linux? Why this resistance? Frankly, Linux is not on par with Solaris, and also Solaris is cheaper than Linux, and still Linux prospers. The same with FreeBSD, which is more stable and also free. Still it is only Linux that prospers and get all the attention in the media. Why has everyone jumped on the Linux band wagon? What makes Linux so special, while other free and open Unices doesnt get much attention in media? After much research and thinking I believe I have an answer. I claim that Linux propers because of POLITICS. To prove my claim I have to present my proofs in a rigorous fashion, just as in academics. Everything will be clear at the end. But I will have to begin from the beginning. Read on. Have you heard about the mightiest lobby organisation in the world? It is the israeli lobby group called AIPAC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac They used to act in secrecy, but as internet grows the knowledge about AIPAC spreads. "Esse non vidare" - to act but not be noticed. Former Ex President Jimmy Carter on AIPAC: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-29/carter-on-iran/2/ "AIPAC is the dominant voice among the Israeli organizations in this country. And if you look at the purpose of AIPAC, it’s not to promote peace, it’s not to bring peace to Israel, it’s to promote and defend the policies of the incumbent government in Israel. And so they defend Israel. It’s politically impossible, as you know, for any member of Congress to make a public statement condemning or criticizing the policies of Israel. It would be political suicidal for them to do so. A lot of the members of Congress agree with me, some very high up in the Congress. But if they came out publicly and said it, their seats would be in danger." Haha, yes! I knew it! I waited for this day, when world will realize (again), that masonic insinuations are behind Linux :))) -- With respect, Nik Maslov ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
It's really simple. Linux is more popular because it's more popular. The same reason why windows is more popular than linux. Most people don't care about the OS. They make OS decisions based on application availability, and although a lot of applications exist for Linux & Solaris & Windows harmoniously, people choose the OS that supports whichever of the following they may care about: MS Office Cadence Synopsys Mentor Graphics Etc Not to mention ... Video game du jour Some piece of hardware Etc > -Original Message- > From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Bisu July > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:17 AM > To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies? > > Have you met some kind of resistance in a company, when you suggested > Solaris instead of Linux? Why this resistance? > > Frankly, Linux is not on par with Solaris, and also Solaris is cheaper > than Linux, and still Linux prospers. The same with FreeBSD, which is > more stable and also free. Still it is only Linux that prospers and get > all the attention in the media. Why has everyone jumped on the Linux > band wagon? What makes Linux so special, while other free and open > Unices doesnt get much attention in media? > > After much research and thinking I believe I have an answer. I claim > that Linux propers because of POLITICS. To prove my claim I have to > present my proofs in a rigorous fashion, just as in academics. > Everything will be clear at the end. But I will have to begin from the > beginning. Read on. > > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard about the mightiest lobby organisation in the world? It > is the israeli lobby group called AIPAC. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac > They used to act in secrecy, but as internet grows the knowledge about > AIPAC spreads. "Esse non vidare" - to act but not be noticed. > > > > > > Former Ex President Jimmy Carter on AIPAC: > http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-29/carter-on- > iran/2/ > > "AIPAC is the dominant voice among the Israeli organizations in this > country. And if you look at the purpose of AIPAC, it’s not to promote > peace, it’s not to bring peace to Israel, it’s to promote and defend > the policies of the incumbent government in Israel. And so they defend > Israel. It’s politically impossible, as you know, for any member of > Congress to make a public statement condemning or criticizing the > policies of Israel. It would be political suicidal for them to do so. A > lot of the members of Congress agree with me, some very high up in the > Congress. But if they came out publicly and said it, their seats would > be in danger." > > > > > > Professor from Harvard and Chicago universities on AIPAC in this > research article: > http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html > "Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a > level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been > the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance > since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War Two, > to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). > ... > This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy > industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to that of > South Korea or Spain. > ... > Washington also provides Israel with consistent diplomatic support. > Since 1982, the US has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical > of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other > Security Council members. It blocks the efforts of Arab states to put > Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the IAEA’s agenda." > > > > > > Glasgow University Media Group on AIPAC: > http://www.gla.ac.uk/centres/mediagroup/badnews.htm > > “AIPAC’s power has become the stuff of Washington legend. Fortune > magazine consistently puts it in the top five special interest groups. > No other foreign policy based lobby group gets into the top twenty- > five. > ... > For many years, pro-Israel organisations have organised letter-writing > campaigns to protest against articles and programmes they dislike. With > the development of email, this activity has grown enormously. Websites > target individual journalists and provide ready-written letters of > complaint for subscribers to send out.” > > > > > > Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan > administration, o
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
> What do you say? Am I well researched? Could this be > true? Does it make sense? SUN is loosing because of > POLITICS? I don't think your world view and mine even remotely connect so I don't think I am able to critique your "analysis" on its merits. I will say this though; AIPAC is as valid a lobby group as any other...I know for sure that my government (Australian Commonwealth) has lobbied on behalf of our industry and interests in the USA also. Doe this mean that there is some worldwide Australian conspiracy? I think not. But don't get me started on the New Zealand lobby, they're up to something sinister :-P -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
OK, now we have THE freak. Bisu July wrote: [...] -- | Regards, | Alexander 'Sasha' Vlasov. | Solaris System Test: Hitting tomorrow bugs today ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
Beware of Mossad, they are watching all your steps, already!.Oh my god, I thought that 1st of April has already passed jk On Apr 7, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Bisu July wrote: Have you met some kind of resistance in a company, when you suggested Solaris instead of Linux? Why this resistance? Frankly, Linux is not on par with Solaris, and also Solaris is cheaper than Linux, and still Linux prospers. The same with FreeBSD, which is more stable and also free. Still it is only Linux that prospers and get all the attention in the media. Why has everyone jumped on the Linux band wagon? What makes Linux so special, while other free and open Unices doesnt get much attention in media? After much research and thinking I believe I have an answer. I claim that Linux propers because of POLITICS. To prove my claim I have to present my proofs in a rigorous fashion, just as in academics. Everything will be clear at the end. But I will have to begin from the beginning. Read on. Have you heard about the mightiest lobby organisation in the world? It is the israeli lobby group called AIPAC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac They used to act in secrecy, but as internet grows the knowledge about AIPAC spreads. "Esse non vidare" - to act but not be noticed. Former Ex President Jimmy Carter on AIPAC: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-29/carter-on-iran/2/ "AIPAC is the dominant voice among the Israeli organizations in this country. And if you look at the purpose of AIPAC, it’s not to promote peace, it’s not to bring peace to Israel, it’s to promote and defend the policies of the incumbent government in Israel. And so they defend Israel. It’s politically impossible, as you know, for any member of Congress to make a public statement condemning or criticizing the policies of Israel. It would be political suicidal for them to do so. A lot of the members of Congress agree with me, some very high up in the Congress. But if they came out publicly and said it, their seats would be in danger." Professor from Harvard and Chicago universities on AIPAC in this research article: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html "Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War Two, to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). ... This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to that of South Korea or Spain. ... Washington also provides Israel with consistent diplomatic support. Since 1982, the US has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members. It blocks the efforts of Arab states to put Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the IAEA’s agenda." Glasgow University Media Group on AIPAC: http://www.gla.ac.uk/centres/mediagroup/badnews.htm “AIPAC’s power has become the stuff of Washington legend. Fortune magazine consistently puts it in the top five special interest groups. No other foreign policy based lobby group gets into the top twenty-five. ... For many years, pro-Israel organisations have organised letter- writing campaigns to protest against articles and programmes they dislike. With the development of email, this activity has grown enormously. Websites target individual journalists and provide ready- written letters of complaint for subscribers to send out.” Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, on AIPAC: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts01142009.html "Israeli politicians have been bragging for decades about the control they exercise over the US government. In his final press conference, President Bush, deluded to the very end, said that the whole world respects America. In fact, when the world looks at America, what it sees is an Israeli colony." Former CEO resigns after been caught. Why would he resign if it were not true? http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/07/04/050704fa_fact "in 1992. David Steiner, AIPAC’s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had “cut a deal” with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. “We have a dozen people in his”—Clinton’s—“headquarters . . . and they are all going to get big jobs,” Steiner said. Soon after the tape’s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin ac
[osol-discuss] Analysis: Why Linux prospers, Solaris dies?
Have you met some kind of resistance in a company, when you suggested Solaris instead of Linux? Why this resistance? Frankly, Linux is not on par with Solaris, and also Solaris is cheaper than Linux, and still Linux prospers. The same with FreeBSD, which is more stable and also free. Still it is only Linux that prospers and get all the attention in the media. Why has everyone jumped on the Linux band wagon? What makes Linux so special, while other free and open Unices doesnt get much attention in media? After much research and thinking I believe I have an answer. I claim that Linux propers because of POLITICS. To prove my claim I have to present my proofs in a rigorous fashion, just as in academics. Everything will be clear at the end. But I will have to begin from the beginning. Read on. Have you heard about the mightiest lobby organisation in the world? It is the israeli lobby group called AIPAC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac They used to act in secrecy, but as internet grows the knowledge about AIPAC spreads. "Esse non vidare" - to act but not be noticed. Former Ex President Jimmy Carter on AIPAC: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-29/carter-on-iran/2/ "AIPAC is the dominant voice among the Israeli organizations in this country. And if you look at the purpose of AIPAC, it’s not to promote peace, it’s not to bring peace to Israel, it’s to promote and defend the policies of the incumbent government in Israel. And so they defend Israel. It’s politically impossible, as you know, for any member of Congress to make a public statement condemning or criticizing the policies of Israel. It would be political suicidal for them to do so. A lot of the members of Congress agree with me, some very high up in the Congress. But if they came out publicly and said it, their seats would be in danger." Professor from Harvard and Chicago universities on AIPAC in this research article: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html "Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War Two, to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). ... This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to that of South Korea or Spain. ... Washington also provides Israel with consistent diplomatic support. Since 1982, the US has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members. It blocks the efforts of Arab states to put Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the IAEA’s agenda." Glasgow University Media Group on AIPAC: http://www.gla.ac.uk/centres/mediagroup/badnews.htm “AIPAC’s power has become the stuff of Washington legend. Fortune magazine consistently puts it in the top five special interest groups. No other foreign policy based lobby group gets into the top twenty-five. ... For many years, pro-Israel organisations have organised letter-writing campaigns to protest against articles and programmes they dislike. With the development of email, this activity has grown enormously. Websites target individual journalists and provide ready-written letters of complaint for subscribers to send out.” Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, on AIPAC: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts01142009.html "Israeli politicians have been bragging for decades about the control they exercise over the US government. In his final press conference, President Bush, deluded to the very end, said that the whole world respects America. In fact, when the world looks at America, what it sees is an Israeli colony." Former CEO resigns after been caught. Why would he resign if it were not true? http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/07/04/050704fa_fact "in 1992. David Steiner, AIPAC’s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had “cut a deal” with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. “We have a dozen people in his”—Clinton’s—“headquarters . . . and they are all going to get big jobs,” Steiner said. Soon after the tape’s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.” The Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467657033&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
