Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Well, 4 years ago, I posted a list of problems (mostly missing files) that > prevented to compile OpenSolaris on OpenSoaris. Nobody did ever try to > cooperate in order work on this list. Nobody did ever report that this list > was completely outdated and compiling OpenSolaris on OpenSolaris works now. It's been posted a number of times to this mailing list that you can build the OpenSolaris sources on the OpenSolaris distro, including several in the last day in this very thread. > IPS seems to be just one of many problems. IPS is a packaging system, not a bug. (It has lots of bugs, and a lot of needed features aren't yet implemented, but that's expected.) > Where is the current complete list of remaining problems? All the ones we know about are in http://bugs.opensolaris.org and http://defect.opensolaris.org (except for security bugs which are unfortunately only visible in the Sun-internal bug database). If there are problems that you see with the system that aren't filed in either place, then they're not on anyone's list but your own. > Once we know this, we can start to discuss when a transition may be possible. We're not waiting for it to be perfect first - software never is, and will always have bugs, and since this is all development builds, not production releases, isn't even expected to be feature-complete. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Joerg Schilling wrote: The fact that Indiana introduced a "primary adminstrator" role introduced a security bug. 10 months ago, I became aware that Sun did introduce an even bigger security problem while trying to hide (but not to fix) the problem. I did send a seecurity alert 10 months ago, but the system still exists. IPS seems to be just one of many problems. IPS is not a problem; it's a packaging system. If you have a specific issue with the Image Packaging System, please file a bug defect.opensolaris.org or post to pkg-discuss. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Cyril Plisko wrote: > > "No, you need to transition to working with IPS. There are internal > > presentations on this, but they emphasize that we're not treating > > internal & external developers differently here - we're stopping the > > old-WOS production/release for everyone at the same time." > > > > ...I think this theory is questionable at best. > > Probably. Time will tell. I personally believe that there is an > intention to stop producing SXCE. I have my doubts it is achievable in > two months time frame. OTOH, I may be underinformed. Well, 4 years ago, I posted a list of problems (mostly missing files) that prevented to compile OpenSolaris on OpenSoaris. Nobody did ever try to cooperate in order work on this list. Nobody did ever report that this list was completely outdated and compiling OpenSolaris on OpenSolaris works now. The fact that Indiana introduced a "primary adminstrator" role introduced a security bug. 10 months ago, I became aware that Sun did introduce an even bigger security problem while trying to hide (but not to fix) the problem. I did send a seecurity alert 10 months ago, but the system still exists. IPS seems to be just one of many problems. Where is the current complete list of remaining problems? Once we know this, we can start to discuss when a transition may be possible. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: > Considering Alan Coopersmith explicitly stated that: > > "No, you need to transition to working with IPS. There are internal > presentations on this, but they emphasize that we're not treating > internal & external developers differently here - we're stopping the > old-WOS production/release for everyone at the same time." > > ...I think this theory is questionable at best. Probably. Time will tell. I personally believe that there is an intention to stop producing SXCE. I have my doubts it is achievable in two months time frame. OTOH, I may be underinformed. After all there are no _external_ presentations emphasizing "not treating internal & external developers differently" :) -- Regards, Cyril ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Cyril Plisko wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Paul Gress wrote: Cyril Plisko wrote: Hi ! There are mentions from time to time of a big file server in Sun that powers home dirs and a lot of other stuff. They say jurassic is the name. Rumors talk about this server being upgraded biweekly to the latest Nevada build. If that is true, it would be interesting to hear what the plans are for this machine for post October era. The difference is, SXCE will not be available to the public, but will still be available internally. Interesting theory... Considering Alan Coopersmith explicitly stated that: "No, you need to transition to working with IPS. There are internal presentations on this, but they emphasize that we're not treating internal & external developers differently here - we're stopping the old-WOS production/release for everyone at the same time." ...I think this theory is questionable at best. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Paul Gress wrote: Cyril Plisko wrote: Hi ! There are mentions from time to time of a big file server in Sun that powers home dirs and a lot of other stuff. They say jurassic is the name. Rumors talk about this server being upgraded biweekly to the latest Nevada build. If that is true, it would be interesting to hear what the plans are for this machine for post October era. The difference is, SXCE will not be available to the public, but will still be available internally. There is little point to make SXCE to be available internally. The whole idea of jurassic to eat one own dog food. If it is not good enough for Sun, it can not be good for others to consume. -Ghee Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Paul Gress wrote: The difference is, SXCE will not be available to the public, but will still be available internally. Nope - we're stopping building it at the same time for everyone. Thanks, I stand corrected. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Paul Gress wrote: > The difference is, SXCE will not be available to the public, but will > still be available internally. Nope - we're stopping building it at the same time for everyone. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Paul Gress wrote: > Cyril Plisko wrote: >> >> Hi ! >> >> There are mentions from time to time of a big file server in Sun that >> powers home dirs and a lot of other stuff. They say jurassic is the >> name. >> Rumors talk about this server being upgraded biweekly to the latest >> Nevada build. >> >> If that is true, it would be interesting to hear what the plans are >> for this machine for post October era. >> >> > > The difference is, SXCE will not be available to the public, but will still > be available internally. Interesting theory... -- Regards, Cyril ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Cyril Plisko wrote: Hi ! There are mentions from time to time of a big file server in Sun that powers home dirs and a lot of other stuff. They say jurassic is the name. Rumors talk about this server being upgraded biweekly to the latest Nevada build. If that is true, it would be interesting to hear what the plans are for this machine for post October era. The difference is, SXCE will not be available to the public, but will still be available internally. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Hi, I guess this is the possible migration plan: - install IPS on SXCE - create ZFS dataset for new BE - create image on mounted filesystem - update uuid, boot-archive, SMF and such - create new grub entry and reboot into OS BE > Hi ! > > There are mentions from time to time of a big file > server in Sun that > powers home dirs and a lot of other stuff. They say > jurassic is the > name. > Rumors talk about this server being upgraded biweekly > to the latest > Nevada build. > > If that is true, it would be interesting to hear what > the plans are > for this machine for post October era. > > -- > Regards, > Cyril > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Example of SXCE to OpenSolaris migration
Hi ! There are mentions from time to time of a big file server in Sun that powers home dirs and a lot of other stuff. They say jurassic is the name. Rumors talk about this server being upgraded biweekly to the latest Nevada build. If that is true, it would be interesting to hear what the plans are for this machine for post October era. -- Regards, Cyril ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
