Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:27:13AM -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> > Oh I see, so you too overlook the standup comic's
> > bashing of Apple while he tries to make himself seem
> > he is above negative talk?!?
> >
> > He must be a walking contradiction.
>
> You could be nice and admit that was just a distraction from his
> main argument.
>
> Besides, the way I read what he said is basically that Apple
> is heavy into control ("only cupertino-friendly") and in particular
> goes out of their way to keep people from running OS X on
> anything but Apples. Duh. Ever since they decided they didn't
> want an Apple clone market anymore, that's accurate enough.
> (that's as distinct from Darwin, which can run on anything for
> all they care; but Quartz, Cocoa, and all that stuff plus the apps
> on top of it are among their crown jewels, and if they could
> run on anything, people might not bother with the price premium
> on Apples, even if they are prettier looking boxes and usually
> fairly well made)
>
> Doesn't make it a bad OS; I've got a Mac Mini, and I like it.
> It's definitely more stable than Windows, and about as easy
> to use as one could ask. (Not nearly as stable as Solaris, though.)
>
> Did he say what he said in a negative way? Yeah, and like I said, that's
> a distraction from the rest of his argument, which maybe has a
> point.
>
> But OpenSolaris and the *BSDs have benefitted each other
> quite a bit, what with FreeBSD adopting DTrace and ZFS, and
> OpenSolaris getting the basis of some device drivers from one
> or more of the *BSDs, something that wouldn't happen so much
> with Linux even if the licenses were compatible, because
> Linux is internally more differerent from OpenSolaris than the *BSDs
> are.
>
> So BSD advocates talking trash about OpenSolaris just doesn't make
> much sense...
Blindly advocating anything never yeilds good results. I am both BSD
User/Developer and OpenSolaris User/Developer. I like both the Systems. I don't
see advocates advocating one over the other. They are what they are. Just leave
it that way.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: > bsdfan, I think Svein basically is right. I mean, BSD is not that big, > neither is OpenSolaris. Maybe we should cooperate instead? As of know, BSD > has benefited greatly from OpenSolaris: ZFS, DTrace, and dozens of other Sun > technology - do you want this to continue, or do you want OpenSolaris dead? I would like to see the modernisation parts of ksh93-integration ported to BSD, too. It would give it one of the fastest userlands , FreeBSD's userland would finally conform to the Single Unix Standard and a few of Solaris and GNU features would make it there, too. Chris -- ^---^ (@)v(@) Chris Pickett |/ IT consultant ===m==m=== pkch...@users.sourceforge.net ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
> Oh I see, so you too overlook the standup comic's
> bashing of Apple while he tries to make himself seem
> he is above negative talk?!?
>
> He must be a walking contradiction.
You could be nice and admit that was just a distraction from his
main argument.
Besides, the way I read what he said is basically that Apple
is heavy into control ("only cupertino-friendly") and in particular
goes out of their way to keep people from running OS X on
anything but Apples. Duh. Ever since they decided they didn't
want an Apple clone market anymore, that's accurate enough.
(that's as distinct from Darwin, which can run on anything for
all they care; but Quartz, Cocoa, and all that stuff plus the apps
on top of it are among their crown jewels, and if they could
run on anything, people might not bother with the price premium
on Apples, even if they are prettier looking boxes and usually
fairly well made)
Doesn't make it a bad OS; I've got a Mac Mini, and I like it.
It's definitely more stable than Windows, and about as easy
to use as one could ask. (Not nearly as stable as Solaris, though.)
Did he say what he said in a negative way? Yeah, and like I said, that's
a distraction from the rest of his argument, which maybe has a
point.
But OpenSolaris and the *BSDs have benefitted each other
quite a bit, what with FreeBSD adopting DTrace and ZFS, and
OpenSolaris getting the basis of some device drivers from one
or more of the *BSDs, something that wouldn't happen so much
with Linux even if the licenses were compatible, because
Linux is internally more differerent from OpenSolaris than the *BSDs
are.
So BSD advocates talking trash about OpenSolaris just doesn't make
much sense...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
On 13.05.2010 12:59, bsd wrote: > Oh I see, so you too overlook the standup comic's bashing of Apple while he > tries to make himself seem he is above negative talk?!? > > He must be a walking contradiction. I wonder which part it is that you think is Applebashing. Is it calling OSX a glossy smokescreen over cupertino-friendliness, or is it stating that Apple does their best to combat hackintoshes? //Svein -- +---+--- /"\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
Oh I see, so you too overlook the standup comic's bashing of Apple while he tries to make himself seem he is above negative talk?!? He must be a walking contradiction. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
bsdfan, I think Svein basically is right. I mean, BSD is not that big, neither is OpenSolaris. Maybe we should cooperate instead? As of know, BSD has benefited greatly from OpenSolaris: ZFS, DTrace, and dozens of other Sun technology - do you want this to continue, or do you want OpenSolaris dead? I think the world is big enough for both OSes? Both OSes are good, with a great track record. Maybe we should try to help each other? I advocate OpenSolaris, and if the user doesnt want it, I always recommend FreeBSD, because it is far better than Linux. IMHO, FreeBSD and OpenSolaris are equally good, far better than Linux. So, what do you say? Do you agree? In other forum, I also talked with a FreeBSD user, and he was equally hostile to OpenSolaris. Why this hostility? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
Hilarious. This poster denigrates OS X (and Apple) while at the same time wants everyone to think he's above that. You're a riot dude. Are you a comic? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.
First of all, let me be quite frank on this: I want OpenSolaris to stick around for many years. It's a _VERY_ good OS, and there are quite a lot of ideas in there that the world NEEDS, such as dtrace and zfs. Let me first point a finger at those who wants to be identified with BSD, yet spreads fud about OpenSolaris: You may have missed your foot with that shot, but you managed to hit your knee instead. The various BSD OS'es are among the opensource projects that benefit from OpenSolaris. Their license is compatible with the CDDL (something the GNUs hate), and thus we have ZFS and DTrace ported to FreeBSD (albeit an older version but slowly catching up). You're hurting OpenSolaris with your FUD, and by doing this you're hurting the BSDs as well. If, as you claim, you want the BSDs to gain, you're not doing it right. For the rest, I can only see one reason for you to want OpenSolaris dead. Is this because your favorite OS people feel threatened? OpenSolaris has a potential Linux never really had: It can, with some help from ISVs and "the crowd" make a dent in Redmond's monopoly that neither Linux distros nor OSX could. Linux lacks integration, and isn't end-user-friendly. OSX has grown to only be cupertino-friendly under a smokescreen of glossyness. OpenSolaris runs perfectly (atleast almost) on two architectures, and from a myriad of hardware manufacturers, something OSX never will (face it: Apple does its best to make sure hackintoshes fails to boot. Why anybody would want to run an OS the maker does its best to STOP YOU FROM RUNNING is beyond me.) Now, finally, a message to the spindoctors at Oracle Marketing dept: All of this FUD is actually _YOUR_FAULT._ Your total lack of communications _MAY_ work with some of the fortune-500 companies, but it fails miserably with everyone else. If you want people to downright distrust your company (and that includes your "precious" database!), just keep doing what you're doing, and you'll succeed. But don't come back crying, when this hurts your bottomline because companies won't even TALK to your sales-people. I'm sure someone at Sun can provide you with a copy of The Cluetrain Manifesto (I hear they're quite familiar with it in the old Sun organization). The people you're directly hurting with your lack of communications, are the very people you will depend on to sell your services to the next generation of companies. These people have long memories, and has a tendency to have grudges. Just a fair warning. So, for the rest of us: Let's stop the FUD, ok? Oracle Marketing is quite capable of hurting the project themselves (if that is their intention), they don't need any help from us, and if their intention is NOT killing it, we're killing it "for them" with the current trends. Apologies for any misspellings and wrong grammar, English is not my first language. //Svein -- +---+--- /"\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
