[osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
Ultimately the slashdot link points to a short article on Phronix about the not-so-bright future of OpenSolaris at Oracle, albeit the article is a bit weak on real content--still something about OpenSolaris made it on slashdot: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/0120245/The-Future-of-OpenSolaris -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:34:08 -0500, Michael Lee wrote: Ultimately the slashdot link points to a short article on Phronix about the not-so-bright future of OpenSolaris at Oracle, albeit the article is a bit weak on real content--still something about OpenSolaris made it on slashdot: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/0120245/The-Future-of-OpenSolaris --snip--snip-- jjrff writes "Phoronix has a little piece about the future (or lack thereof) of OpenSolaris. It appears based on the current support lifecycle, OpenSolaris may be going away. There is a fun thread (read: mild flameage) on a ZFS list about it." --snip--snip-- This has been discussed to death. See to the thread here: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-February/017593.html Generally when it comes to Operating Systems other than Linux, Slashdot is the last place to look for any information. Don't get me wrong, I like Slashdot, but you need to get your NON-Linux OS news/info somewhere else. Regards, Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:51:20 -0500, Paul Griffith wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:34:08 -0500, Michael Lee wrote: Ultimately the slashdot link points to a short article on Phronix about the not-so-bright future of OpenSolaris at Oracle, albeit the article is a bit weak on real content--still something about OpenSolaris made it on slashdot: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/0120245/The-Future-of-OpenSolaris --snip--snip-- jjrff writes "Phoronix has a little piece about the future (or lack thereof) of OpenSolaris. It appears based on the current support lifecycle, OpenSolaris may be going away. There is a fun thread (read: mild flameage) on a ZFS list about it." --snip--snip-- This has been discussed to death. See to the thread here: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-February/017593.html Generally when it comes to Operating Systems other than Linux, Slashdot is the last place to look for any information. Don't get me wrong, I like Slashdot, but you need to get your NON-Linux OS news/info somewhere else. Regards, Paul Hi Michael, Sorry if my response seem rather short and unfriendly I didn't mean it to be. I am generally a nice guy, DID YOU HEAR ME ;) But the whole "OpenSolaris has a uncertain future" thing just gets old after a awhile! Regards, Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
slashdot and osnews is more in favour of linux than anything. I think opensol discussion groups are best for opensolaris news than these external websites. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:34:08 -0500, Michael Lee > wrote: > > > Ultimately the slashdot link points to a short > article on Phronix about the not-so-bright future of > OpenSolaris at Oracle, albeit the article is a bit > weak on real content--still something about > OpenSolaris made it on slashdot: > > > http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/0120245/ > The-Future-of-OpenSolaris > > > --snip--snip-- > jjrff writes > "Phoronix has a little piece about the future (or > lack thereof) of OpenSolaris. It appears based on the > current support lifecycle, OpenSolaris may be going > away. There is a fun thread (read: mild flameage) on > a ZFS list about it." > --snip--snip-- > > This has been discussed to death. > > See to the thread here: > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/ > 2010-February/017593.html > > Generally when it comes to Operating Systems other > than Linux, Slashdot is the last place to look for > any information. > Don't get me wrong, I like Slashdot, but you need to > get your NON-Linux OS news/info somewhere else. > > Regards, > Paul Yeah, when the news doesn't fit our liking, we can always discredit the source. :-) Having said that, I am more convinced than ever that OpenSolaris does have a very special place. IMNSHO, the old style propaganda machine the old Sun used to employ tends to drive potential developers away, while failing to attract significant number of (dedicated) new users. As we all know, OpenSolaris does have a unique set of features that are critically important in certain areas, and, unlike Linux, it also has a unique history and a noble lineage of established traditions which should make decision-makers feel more comfortable in adopting. Even in the area of desktops, if we are willing to narrow our focus mainly on business desktops, then--amazingly--most of the perceived and acknowledged shortcomings suddenly disappear (or can be managed to disappear). There are, of course, other advantages, e.g., if and when the user base gets too big, who is in the best position to provide services? But that gets in too much of partisanship and my opinions are undoubtedly biased. If you care to walk into a city, county, or even a state building, you will find out that most of the machines there are running Windows XP, some are running Windows 98 (or even Windows 95!) Focusing on business users does not mean that you have to give up home users. Many computer users stick to Windows because that's what's used in their jobs. (Sun's top echelons love/use Mac, and you wonder why OpenSolaris is not widely used even by its owner.) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
On 02/24/10 05:17 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Yeah, when the news doesn't fit our liking, we can always discredit the source. :-) I thought the same thing, just a little differently. The Opensolaris mail exploders can be viewed to be biased towards Opensolaris. Having said that, I am more convinced than ever that OpenSolaris does have a very special place. IMNSHO, the old style propaganda machine the old Sun used to employ tends to drive potential developers away, while failing to attract significant number of (dedicated) new users. As we all know, OpenSolaris does have a unique set of features that are critically important in certain areas, and, unlike Linux, it also has a unique history and a noble lineage of established traditions which should make decision-makers feel more comfortable in adopting. Even in the area of desktops, if we are willing to narrow our focus mainly on business desktops, I agree. Gaming IMHO we will never get. The enterprise customer doesn't like to much GUI. What seems like a given are businesses. Businesses require a mix of GUI's and networking. Basically, Workstations. Where Opensolaris needs to excel is in getting more apps running to support businesses. I know a few wish lists were compiled, but not focused towards businesses. So basically, IMO, there should be a page on opensolaris.org that states where Opensolaris is heading. Call it a business plan. Call it focus. It can only help. Linux is to large for this to occur, so Opensolaris may be at an advantage here. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot
My take is this, I read all the 300+ messages posted at Slashdot, and found it
amazing that one could surmise what Oracle may or may not do wrt one of its
most important assets without seriously entering Chairman Larry into the
equation. (As we all know, Chairman Larry owns about one quarter of Oracle,
installed two of his protégées as its co-presidents, and more importantly,
appointed his personal accountant (the emphasis is not on "personal" but on
"accountant"--meaning cost control) as chairman of Oracle's board. He IS
Oracle.)
If I recall correctly, Michael Bemmer was one of the very few Sun employees who
were allowed to solo a platform during the January 27 Oracle + Sun Strategy
Update. Larry Ellison LOVES the potential of OpenOffice.org
("OpenOffice")--both, I believe, in terms of $$$ and, probably more
importantly, establishing his legacy.
Although OpenOffice is highly cross-platformed, it is important that Oracle
makes sure that OpenOffice runs well on a platform that it can control. I
don't know if anyone here is aware of these: The version of OpenOffice that
comes with the Ubuntu CD is truncated. SuSE Linux is bundled with the
Novell-forked version of OpenOffice, and it caused some of our macros to be
completely screwed up. With regard to the Windows version of OpenOffice,
Microsoft is known to do funny things (e.g., changing the dll) on Windows
programs when they may threaten its dominance. Whether or not Microsoft may do
that again is really not the issue, but the fact that Microsoft holds that kind
of power prohibits decision-makers to consider alternatives.
I know this idea is crazy and probably idiotic, but instead of pushing
OpenOffice to Windows users, perhaps Oracle should try to push the
OpenOffice/OpenSolaris combo.
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