[Openstack] Use of XML xi:include with xpointer

2013-07-28 Thread Sean Roberts 
I'm working on reusing content from remote XML formatted sources to create new 
content. Using the editor oxygen I can see the remote content, so I know my 
href is valid. But maven fails to build the html returning bad pointer. 
The remote content isn't using DTD or XMLschema. I'm hoping I can figure out 
how to walk the structure without having to. 
Any XML peoples that can help?

~sean
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Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Marketing] New code name for networks

2013-05-11 Thread Sean Roberts 
Octopus

~sean

On May 11, 2013, at 12:57 PM, "Jason Smith"  wrote:

> Hello,
> I understand why we had to give up Quantum code name but rather than just 
> refer to it as networking let's come up with a new code name!
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> -js
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Re: [Openstack] Announcing Climate, OpenStack Capacity Leasing project

2013-03-30 Thread Sean Roberts 
Interested. Will post. Cheer!

~sean

On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "Julien Danjou"  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I'd like to announce a new project named Climate.
> 
> The project
> aims to provide a capacity leasing service inside OpenStack
> cloud platforms,
> via the reservation of various resources in a calendar
> based view.
> 
> The
> project is still as its early draft stage, but anyone with ideas
> and
> interest is welcome!
> 
> Homepage:
> https://launchpad.net/climate
> 
> Cheers,
> --
> Julien Danjou
> ;; Free Software
> hacker ; freelance consultant
> ;; http://julien.danjou.info
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Openstack] user committee points to review

2013-01-16 Thread Sean Roberts 
That worked, I can read it now.

~sean

On Jan 16, 2013, at 6:18 AM, "Tim Bell" 
mailto:tim.b...@cern.ch>> wrote:


A few of you have had trouble reading the document. The updated link is at 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yD8TfqUik2dt5xo_jMVHMl7tw9oIJnEndLK8YqEToyo/edit

If you can’t read it, please send me a note and I’ll share it.

Tim

From: Tim Bell
Sent: 09 January 2013 09:52
To: 'Sean Roberts'; OpenStack community; openstack
Subject: RE: Calling all user group and meetup organizers


Sean,

Is the aim to provide co-ordination for the OpenStack user groups worldwide ?

Ryan, JC and I have been putting together the structure for the OpenStack user 
committee (as described on the foundation list at 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2012-December/001289.html). As 
we have collected input from various parties, there is a proposal for part of 
the committee to consist of user group representatives from different 
geographies.

As mentioned in the mail to the foundation list, anyone who’d like to 
contribute to the user committee structure/mandate is welcome to get in touch 
for editing rights to 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yD8TfqUik2dt5xo_jMVHMl7tw9oIJnEndLK8YqEToyo

I am on travel on the 15th so I won’t be able to attend the call but it would 
be great if the conclusions could be distributed to the community list.

Tim

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Subject: [Openstack] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 
1:00pm PST. RSVP via  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/  Connect 
remotely via webex 
https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792&UID=492396097&RT=MiM0
If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via 
skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon.

Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that 
run user groups and meetups.

See you then!

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
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Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-15 Thread Sean Roberts 
Yes, join us! Add yourself to the mailing list by wiki.openstack.org. 

~sean

On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:20 AM, "Frans Thamura"  wrote:

> hi all
> 
> I am from OpenStack Indonesia User Group..
> 
> love of to be part of the movement.
> 
> Hope can join the webex.
> 
> but I am glad , if you can share to mailing list first.
> 
> F

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Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-15 Thread Sean Roberts 
Agreed, creating a speaker list is on the to do list.

~sean

On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:16 AM, "andi_a...@dell.com<mailto:andi_a...@dell.com>" 
mailto:andi_a...@dell.com>> wrote:

Hi Sean,
  Thanks for taking the initiative to organize this.

I’d like to toss another agenda item if I may.
I started, and currently help organize the Boston meetup, and we’ve been 
blessed with lots of local resources, both in terms of facilities and openstack 
enthusiasts.
Feedback I’ve gotten from multiple folks is that it would be useful to make 
available technical experts on up and coming projects (ceilometer, heat, new 
quantum services , cinder etc). While in the past I coordinated with project 
PTL’s to locate local experts, it might be more efficient (and less troubling 
to PTL’s) to have a community effort around this. If local presence is less 
than possible, then various collaboration tools could work.
After that long promo, the agenda item would be – how do UG’s help with 
incubating projects, and what kind of support the Openstack community at large 
supports that?

Regards,
a.




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Subject: Re: [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

Agenda for tomorrow's user group / meetup planning meeting

 *
 *   Review of user group and meetup template
 *   Meetups fit into the larger plan of user committee and summit to summit 
development how?
 *   Where would be the location for social materials like videos, meetup logs, 
and other meeting related items?
 *   Where do operators go to figure out how to run OpenStack in production?
 *   Can the Foundation start working with some Universities for meeting space, 
sponsorship, and student participation? Is the Foundation interested in Phd 
thesis sponsorship?
 *   If possible I like to get some supporters for a 
groups.openstack.org<http://groups.openstack.org> site, including content 
writers and some developer resources from the community. We have a lot of 
knowledge about running / starting an user group, and need to write it down, 
publish on the site and share it with newcomers.  I think this is answered by 
the user group template information that will be published to 
http://wiki.openstack.org/OpenStackUserGroups.
 *   Should there be an OpenStack user group and/or meetup approval process? 
How do we clean up user groups and meetups that are abandoned?

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
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On 1/14/13 2:07 PM, "Sean Roberts" 
mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

Reminder for the global user group planning meetup, tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 
2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/
Join us!


Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 349-3301

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On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, "Tim Horgan" mailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie>> 
wrote:

Hi Séan,

I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is 
targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA?

Kind Regards,
Tim

On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts 
mailto:sean..

Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-14 Thread Sean Roberts 
Agenda for tomorrow's user group / meetup planning meeting

 *
 *   Review of user group and meetup template
 *   Meetups fit into the larger plan of user committee and summit to summit 
development how?
 *   Where would be the location for social materials like videos, meetup logs, 
and other meeting related items?
 *   Where do operators go to figure out how to run OpenStack in production?
 *   Can the Foundation start working with some Universities for meeting space, 
sponsorship, and student participation? Is the Foundation interested in Phd 
thesis sponsorship?
 *   If possible I like to get some supporters for a groups.openstack.org site, 
including content writers and some developer resources from the community. We 
have a lot of knowledge about running / starting an user group, and need to 
write it down, publish on the site and share it with newcomers.  I think this 
is answered by the user group template information that will be published to 
http://wiki.openstack.org/OpenStackUserGroups.
 *   Should there be an OpenStack user group and/or meetup approval process? 
How do we clean up user groups and meetups that are abandoned?

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 349-3301

[http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png]

On 1/14/13 2:07 PM, "Sean Roberts" 
mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

Reminder for the global user group planning meetup, tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 
2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/
Join us!


Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 349-3301

[http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png]

On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, "Tim Horgan" mailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie>> 
wrote:

Hi Séan,

I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is 
targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA?

Kind Regards,
Tim

On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts 
mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 
1:00pm PST. RSVP via  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/  Connect 
remotely via webex 
https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792&UID=492396097&RT=MiM0
If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via 
skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon.

Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that 
run user groups and meetups.

See you then!

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 349-3301

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Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-14 Thread Sean Roberts 
You caught me being lazy and reusing the webex meeting without updating the 
time. It is definitely tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. I 
have updated the webex meet to reflect the actual time.

I will be forwarding an agenda in a few minutes and I will include your two 
items.

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On 1/14/13 1:38 PM, "Marton Kiss" 
mailto:marton.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

The meeting time shows me Jan 25 as scheduled date, is it right?
 Meeting status:Not started
  Starting date:Friday, January 25, 2013
  Starting time:12:00 am, Europe Time (Berlin, GMT+01:00)
  Duration: 2 hours
  Host's name:  Sean Roberts


Sean, do you have an agenda? I like to suggest two topics:
- If possible I like to get some supporters for 
groups.openstack.org<http://groups.openstack.org> site, including content 
writers and some developer resources from the community. We have a lot of 
knowledge about running / starting an user group, and need to write it down, 
publish on the site and share it with newcomers.

- Also could be cool to start a discussion about group approval process. If we 
plan to start a public site where everybody can create a new user group we need 
to create some policy to differentiate real-working groups from mistakenly 
created ones.

Regards,
  Márton Kiss
  Hungarian OpenStack usergroup




2013/1/9 Sean Roberts mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>>
We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 
1:00pm PST. RSVP via  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/  Connect 
remotely via webex 
https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792&UID=492396097&RT=MiM0
If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via 
skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon.

Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that 
run user groups and meetups.

See you then!

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 
980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 
349-3301


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Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-14 Thread Sean Roberts 
Reminder for the global user group planning meetup, tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 
2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/
Join us!


Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
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701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 349-3301

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On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, "Tim Horgan" mailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie>> 
wrote:

Hi Séan,

I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is 
targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA?

Kind Regards,
Tim

On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts 
mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 
1:00pm PST. RSVP via  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/  Connect 
remotely via webex 
https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792&UID=492396097&RT=MiM0
If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via 
skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon.

Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that 
run user groups and meetups.

See you then!

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
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Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-11 Thread Sean Roberts 
This is for everybody. Look forward having you join us!

Sean Roberts
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701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
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On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, "Tim Horgan" mailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie>> 
wrote:

Hi Séan,

I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is 
targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA?

Kind Regards,
Tim

On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts 
mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 
1:00pm PST. RSVP via  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/  Connect 
remotely via webex 
https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792&UID=492396097&RT=MiM0
If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via 
skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon.

Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that 
run user groups and meetups.

See you then!

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com<mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
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[Openstack] Calling all user group and meetup organizers

2013-01-08 Thread Sean Roberts 
We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 
1:00pm PST. RSVP via  http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/  Connect 
remotely via webex 
https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792&UID=492396097&RT=MiM0
If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via 
skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon.

Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that 
run user groups and meetups.

See you then!

Sean Roberts
Infrastructure Strategy
sean...@yahoo-inc.com
Direct (408) 349-5234  Mobile (925) 980-4729

701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US
Phone (408) 349-3300  Fax (408) 349-3301

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Re: [Openstack] Design summit feedback?

2012-04-19 Thread Sean Roberts 
To clarify, I meant yahoo should collect its feedback together and post it.

~sean

On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:07 PM, "Sean Roberts" 
mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

We can put out thoughts together then forward them to Lauren Sell. It will have 
more impact than the mailing list or hitting up the conference organizers 
individually.

~sean

On Apr 19, 2012, at 11:33 AM, "Joshua Harlow" 
mailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Hope everyone had a super-awesome design summit.

Is there a place where we can give feedback on what people think worked/didn’t 
work at the summit.

I have some (many) suggestions and was wondering if there is a place for this?

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Re: [Openstack] Design summit feedback?

2012-04-19 Thread Sean Roberts 
We can put out thoughts together then forward them to Lauren Sell. It will have 
more impact than the mailing list or hitting up the conference organizers 
individually.

~sean

On Apr 19, 2012, at 11:33 AM, "Joshua Harlow" 
mailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Hope everyone had a super-awesome design summit.

Is there a place where we can give feedback on what people think worked/didn’t 
work at the summit.

I have some (many) suggestions and was wondering if there is a place for this?

-Josh
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Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-12 Thread Sean Roberts 
Ah, right. You are referring to a more parliamentary structure, where the 
membership of the board would be based on annual schedule and if a vote of no 
confidence is taken. I guess that could work, if that was what you meant. I 
would want a minimum of 6 months or so term as to keep the board from see 
sawing back and forth. We would want a high bar for the no confidence vote as 
well.
I like having 9-12 people max in a meeting as a general rule. 20 generally 
means either a few speak or chaos.
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On 3/12/12 3:39 PM, "Joshua McKenty" 
mailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com>> wrote:

I'm on the look-out for emergent points of consensus, and I think I see one - 
Sean, you highlighted a 12-member board as being a target, and Dallas mentioned 
a concern about keeping the board a manageable size as well. Setting aside for 
a moment the composition (user seats, dev seats, tiered corporate seats vs. all 
elected, etc) - is a 12-seat board the target?

A second question - how would you define a self-affiliated block of companies? 
I can imagine throwing my vote behind a shared candidate, but would I have the 
right to pull support during their term, or would I need to wait for the next 
election? Can we have a vote of no-confidence for such a representative? (I 
suppose we could always draft a side letter, but I'm hoping for a 
general-purpose solution).

Heidi's name is dirty enough as it is.

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On Monday, March 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Sean Roberts wrote:

How about as many companies that want to contribute annually $100K to running 
the foundation separate from marketing and sponsorship, can do so.  Each 
company or a self-affiliated block of companies can put forward their board 
candidate. The companies that contributed to the board can then vote on 2/3 of 
the overall board membership. The 8 candidates with the largest number of votes 
are board members for one year. The user community would still have 1/3 of the 
board seats to elect 4 people of note. The board membership would be limited to 
12 people. This way, all the committees and boards will be elected.
A board membership code of conduct will be very important in this situation, as 
to protect the community from some companies up to mischief.

BTW, I see no reason to dirty the good name of Heidi Klum by dragging her into 
this.
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On 3/12/12 11:06 AM, "Dallas Kashuba" 
mailto:dal...@dreamhost.com>> wrote:


On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:

Boris Renski Jr. wrote:
While I like the simplicity and elegance of the newly proposed
structure, I don’t see how it does away with the evils of the
pay-to-play model…. Which is what you purport we are striving to
achieve. What you, Josh, proposed is a simplified pay-to-play that
arguably embraces the evils for the “market driven selfishness” in an
even more obvious way than the model before it. In your case, all the
seats are simply purchased for a fixed price of $200K.
Right, any pay-to-play model will create a threshold effect, and Josh's
proposal is just lowering the price to pay to get a reserved board seat
to something that a company like Piston Cloud can pay. Since a lot of
the 156 companies "supporting" OpenStack can afford such a price tag,
you end up with a board containing too many directors.

This is something I was wondering about myself.  Would there be a limit on the 
number of directors under Josh's proposal?


Once we accept this, the question of structuring the board really
becomes the question of how does one raise the maximum amount of money
to continue to have a centralized body with a mission to evangelize the
project. You can structure it by tiers to let the bigger guys pay more
and get a bigger logo on the homepage. You can do a flat structure like
Josh proposed. You can auction off the board seats etc.
I see four models for this:
All individual seats: All board seats are elected, you get one vote for
every foundation member. Sponsoring is done separately. This is likely
to raise the smallest amount of money, and the problem remains at
another level: "what is a foundation member ?".

I agree that this model is likely to raise the smallest amount of money.

Tiered structure: this is the current proposal, which is well balanced.
The only issue is that the board grows by 3 people when (i

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-12 Thread Sean Roberts 
How about as many companies that want to contribute annually $100K to running 
the foundation separate from marketing and sponsorship, can do so.  Each 
company or a self-affiliated block of companies can put forward their board 
candidate. The companies that contributed to the board can then vote on 2/3 of 
the overall board membership. The 8 candidates with the largest number of votes 
are board members for one year. The user community would still have 1/3 of the 
board seats to elect 4 people of note. The board membership would be limited to 
12 people. This way, all the committees and boards will be elected.
A board membership code of conduct will be very important in this situation, as 
to protect the community from some companies up to mischief.

BTW, I see no reason to dirty the good name of Heidi Klum by dragging her into 
this.
sean
roberts

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On 3/12/12 11:06 AM, "Dallas Kashuba" 
mailto:dal...@dreamhost.com>> wrote:


On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:

Boris Renski Jr. wrote:
While I like the simplicity and elegance of the newly proposed
structure, I don’t see how it does away with the evils of the
pay-to-play model…. Which is what you purport we are striving to
achieve. What you, Josh, proposed is a simplified pay-to-play that
arguably embraces the evils for the “market driven selfishness” in an
even more obvious way than the model before it. In your case, all the
seats are simply purchased for a fixed price of $200K.
Right, any pay-to-play model will create a threshold effect, and Josh's
proposal is just lowering the price to pay to get a reserved board seat
to something that a company like Piston Cloud can pay. Since a lot of
the 156 companies "supporting" OpenStack can afford such a price tag,
you end up with a board containing too many directors.

This is something I was wondering about myself.  Would there be a limit on the 
number of directors under Josh's proposal?


Once we accept this, the question of structuring the board really
becomes the question of how does one raise the maximum amount of money
to continue to have a centralized body with a mission to evangelize the
project. You can structure it by tiers to let the bigger guys pay more
and get a bigger logo on the homepage. You can do a flat structure like
Josh proposed. You can auction off the board seats etc.
I see four models for this:
All individual seats: All board seats are elected, you get one vote for
every foundation member. Sponsoring is done separately. This is likely
to raise the smallest amount of money, and the problem remains at
another level: "what is a foundation member ?".

I agree that this model is likely to raise the smallest amount of money.

Tiered structure: this is the current proposal, which is well balanced.
The only issue is that the board grows by 3 people when (if) a strategic
member is added.

This is another thing I was wondering about.  Will there be a limit on the 
number of strategic members?  I don't see the foundation wanting to turn away 
someone waving money around, but then you have to deal with board growth.


Single-price: this is Josh's proposal, but I think it will result in a
board that is too big and unable to function.

Pay-to-vote: you have two classes: corporate seats and individual seats.
Individual members elect the individual seats (which represent 25-33% of
the total). Corporate seats are also all elected and corporations get a
vote for every ?$ they put in. One drawback is that large corporations
which are no longer guaranteed of getting a board seat will probably pay
less under this model.

Also agreed that large corporations will likely pay less without a guaranteed 
board seat.


We've been watching this conversation with much interest over the last couple 
of days at DreamHost.  Its great to see so many smart people who clearly care a 
great deal about this project and the foundation!

I've been personally wrestling with this balance of fundraising vs the best 
leadership for the foundation.  I think ultimately the best leadership would be 
the meritocratic approach insulated from the money side of things, but I also 
see a lot of value in the financial stability provided by larger companies 
committing to a significant amount of funding over the longer term.


One additional question I've been pondering relates to both the "Single-price" 
and "Tiered structure" models as Thierry referred to them here.  If you do put 
limits on total board seats (and thus total foundation membership), what do you 
do if there are more companies interested in membership than you have spots 
available?  Do companies get turned away and if they do, what process is used 
to figure out who is in and who

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-10 Thread Sean Roberts 
I am open to any site, almost anywhere. It will be the most useful if it is 
communicated in advance for maximum attendance.

~sean

On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, "Dave Nielsen" 
mailto:dniel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On that note: I noticed a few of you will be at CloudCamp 
Austin<http://cloudcamp.org/austin> tomorrow (@sxsw) We could meet face 2 face 
in our own breakout session

Dave

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Raja Srinivasan 
mailto:raja.sriniva...@riverbed.com>> wrote:
One of the options we can consider is to meet during the OpenStack Conference 
in San Francisco. Since it is in San Francisco, I can host it at Riverbed's 
corporate facilities in San Francisco or Sunnyvale. Just let me know how many 
people and how long.  If need be, I can also order some pizzas or sandwiches.

Thanks & Regards
Raja Srinivasan

From: Sean Roberts mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com>>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:55:31 -0800
To: Joshua McKenty mailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com>>
Cc: "mailto:foundat...@lists.openstack.org>>" 
mailto:foundat...@lists.openstack.org>>, 
OpenStack 
mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net>>, Jonathan 
Bryce mailto:jbr...@rackspace.com>>
Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

We will make ourselves available. I am offering up a Yahoo meeting space in SF, 
Santa Clara, or Sunnyvale. Teleconference may be available on short notice.

~sean

On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "Joshua McKenty" 
mailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com>> wrote:

This is great!

Jonathan, do you think a completely-elected board is something that the larger 
corporations would go along with? Ben's suggestion to that effect certainly 
seems to be the simplest model, since we can scale the membership, deliver 
specific value for cash contributions, and still manage the size of the board.

Regarding the "Individual Member" seats - I would like to echo Devin's concerns 
about stacking by strategic members. If these are truly independent, meaning 
that they're not employees of the corporate members, then I think it's a great 
benefit to have them be part of the board! I'm imagining folks like Tim Bell 
(CERN), Peter Mell (NIST) or Vint Cerf on there.

Boris, I completely agree with decoupling of the "business side" of OpenStack 
from the technical side, and I think managing two separate organizations would 
be one way to achieve this. My concerns are solely on the business side right 
now. I've spent a lot of time chatting with the PTLs today, and I have 
confidence that they can hold the technical community to a meritocratic 
standard. I think the proposal to vote for seats on the foundation board is 
more about managing board size, than any crossover of technical community 
management.

Having said that, I'm still concerned with the idea that we would "let the 
bigger guys pay more and get a bigger logo on the homepage". If we're going to 
"sell" OpenStack privileges, I think we need to do it ala-cart, and explicitly.

Some examples (echoing Ben Cherian's comments) might be:
 - Use of the trademark (for products, training, or certification)
 - Sponsorship of openstack events
 - Priority registration for summits and conferences (not necessarily in favor 
of this one...)

While I was drafting this up, I saw Sean Robert's email suggesting that we meet 
face-to-face and work through some of this together - it seems like a fantastic 
plan to me, and I'll bump everything else from my schedule to make it happen if 
others are interested. What do you guys think?


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On Friday, March 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote:

On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Boris Renski Jr. wrote:
The one thing I would do away with is the “elected board members” in favor of 
more associate member seats. This almost feels like a way to compensate the 
technology side for giving the marketing side leverage over the former. If we 
feel that this is necessary, it is a symptom of presence of 
technology-commercial coupling and we need to fix something else. All technical 
members should be elected based on merit. All board members – appointed based 
on monetary/evangelism contribution. Decoupling between technology direction 
and purchasing power should be rock solid.

Thanks for the thoughts, Boris. One point I'd make: the Individual Member seats 
are not just about compensating the technology side. It gives an opportunity 
for the entire community to elect representatives. These could be some of the 
"luminaries" Josh spoke of or others unaffiliated with any corporate member. 
Individual Members

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-10 Thread Sean Roberts 
We will make ourselves available. I am offering up a Yahoo meeting space in SF, 
Santa Clara, or Sunnyvale. Teleconference may be available on short notice.

~sean

On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "Joshua McKenty" 
mailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com>> wrote:

This is great!

Jonathan, do you think a completely-elected board is something that the larger 
corporations would go along with? Ben's suggestion to that effect certainly 
seems to be the simplest model, since we can scale the membership, deliver 
specific value for cash contributions, and still manage the size of the board.

Regarding the "Individual Member" seats - I would like to echo Devin's concerns 
about stacking by strategic members. If these are truly independent, meaning 
that they're not employees of the corporate members, then I think it's a great 
benefit to have them be part of the board! I'm imagining folks like Tim Bell 
(CERN), Peter Mell (NIST) or Vint Cerf on there.

Boris, I completely agree with decoupling of the "business side" of OpenStack 
from the technical side, and I think managing two separate organizations would 
be one way to achieve this. My concerns are solely on the business side right 
now. I've spent a lot of time chatting with the PTLs today, and I have 
confidence that they can hold the technical community to a meritocratic 
standard. I think the proposal to vote for seats on the foundation board is 
more about managing board size, than any crossover of technical community 
management.

Having said that, I'm still concerned with the idea that we would "let the 
bigger guys pay more and get a bigger logo on the homepage". If we're going to 
"sell" OpenStack privileges, I think we need to do it ala-cart, and explicitly.

Some examples (echoing Ben Cherian's comments) might be:
 - Use of the trademark (for products, training, or certification)
 - Sponsorship of openstack events
 - Priority registration for summits and conferences (not necessarily in favor 
of this one...)

While I was drafting this up, I saw Sean Robert's email suggesting that we meet 
face-to-face and work through some of this together - it seems like a fantastic 
plan to me, and I'll bump everything else from my schedule to make it happen if 
others are interested. What do you guys think?


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On Friday, March 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote:

On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Boris Renski Jr. wrote:
The one thing I would do away with is the “elected board members” in favor of 
more associate member seats. This almost feels like a way to compensate the 
technology side for giving the marketing side leverage over the former. If we 
feel that this is necessary, it is a symptom of presence of 
technology-commercial coupling and we need to fix something else. All technical 
members should be elected based on merit. All board members – appointed based 
on monetary/evangelism contribution. Decoupling between technology direction 
and purchasing power should be rock solid.

Thanks for the thoughts, Boris. One point I'd make: the Individual Member seats 
are not just about compensating the technology side. It gives an opportunity 
for the entire community to elect representatives. These could be some of the 
"luminaries" Josh spoke of or others unaffiliated with any corporate member. 
Individual Membership is not limited solely to developers who are contributing 
code, but would include users, deployers, translators, marketers and people 
with all sorts of involvement in the community. Individual Membership is free 
and a great place for participants academic institutions, non-profits, etc. to 
participate with no price tag.

Jonathan.

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Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Sean Roberts 
This is me speaking up.
There are enough open issues on the board structure and funding that warrant a 
meeting. Representatives of companies interested in being board members would 
discuss unresolved issues. Consider it to be a pre-drafting meeting.  The 
results of this meeting would be openly discussed with the community at large.
I am asking for this meeting to take place as soon as possible and definitely 
before anything final is agreed to.

~sean roberts, strategic yahoo

On Mar 9, 2012, at 11:21 AM, "Joshua McKenty" 
mailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com>> wrote:

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a diplomatic person. When we were 
launching OpenStack, this was a bit of an advantage (if we had waited for 
permission before releasing the Nova source code, we'd still be waiting) - but 
since the first summit, the community has grown so quickly, and become so 
diverse, that I have tried to leave discussions of governance, foundation 
structure, dispute resolution, and most particularly monetary corporate 
contributions, to others with more... tact.

But now I feel I have no choice but to speak up; I'm deeply concerned.

The biggest, splashiest openstack stories of the past two years have all had 
the names of huge, multi-national corporations in them - names like IBM, AT&T, 
Dell, HP, and CISCO. And while their participation has been tremendously 
positive for the project (with Quantum and Crowbar standing as examples of 
this), I see things trending in a direction that makes me nervous for the 
smaller players - for the startups who will live or die on the strength of the 
OpenStack project. Like Piston Cloud.

The current official proposal for the foundation creates a new class of 
super-members - with a sticker price of $2.5M (due up front) that puts it out 
of reach of all but a small handful of organizations.

This is not a new idea - it was the first structural proposal for the 
foundation that I heard from the organizing team, and I have argued against it 
(at times seemingly successfully) continuously since last fall.

I understand why it is appealing; it creates a small and manageable board of 
directors, with a large pool of resources, who shouldn't have too much trouble 
guiding and directing the outcomes of OpenStack. But it's not a structure that 
represents or embodies the principles that OpenStack was founded upon, and I 
think that while it may offer some short-term benefits, it may be damaging to 
the long-term health of the project because it strangles the ecosystem of 
contributing companies we've worked so hard to create.

The "right" structure is a much harder thing to organize:
 - It recognizes and requires project contribution (code, tests, docs, bugs and 
evangelism) along with cash
 - It has a single class of corporate member, a level playing field
 - It has room for non-corporate members in the meaningful governance bodies 
(not tucked away in 'advisory' boards)
 - It aggressively and publicly resolves the conflict-of-interest between the 
'company hat' and the 'project hat'

My understanding of the key challenges of this foundation board are the 
following:
 - Keep it small enough to be manageable (21 directors or less)
 - Supply enough funding to carry on with most of the current project support 
activities
 - Ensure representation of the diversity of the OpenStack community
 - Provide a mechanism for "industry luminaries" as well as OpenStack users and 
consumers to provide input and feedback

The target budget of the Foundation is around $3M per year. Without getting 
into a discussion about whether that's reasonable or not, I'd like to 
brainstorm how we could reach that goal in a way that better reflects our goals 
for an open and democratic community. How's this for a proposal:

 - One class of corporate member
 - Provide reasonable evidence of 2 FTE (full time equivalents) working on 
OpenStack in some capacity
 - Commit to 2 years of sponsorship, on an evergreen basis, but paid annually
 - Individual members, if there are any, cannot be employed by a corporate 
member

My rough calculation, having a reasonably good grasp of the interests and level 
of engagement of the various corporations in the OpenStack ecosystem, is that 
we could expect around 15 of the 150 companies involved to meet these 
requirements. $3M divided by 15 = $200,000.

It's a high playing field, but at least it's a level one. It doesn't change the 
structure or composition of the technical committee, and it doesn't limit the 
ability of the foundation to raise money in other ways (sell sponsorships for 
events, charge admission for conferences, even license the use of the trademark 
for training or certification).

If we have a simple pay-to-play model, then we can trust market economics and 
enforce transparency of spending. If we have a simple "meri

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Sean Roberts 
+1 for compute-cells

~sean

On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:10 AM, "Tim Bell"  wrote:

> 
> Fully agree with the prefix for the cell... there should be storage-cells
> and compute-cells with different goals in terms of data locality and
> availability, zone has become too overloaded...
> 
> Tim
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net
>> [mailto:openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf
>> Of Mark Washenberger
>> Sent: 19 February 2012 19:54
>> To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE
>> 
>>>Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a
>>> single "zone", so whatever term is used should make sense in a
>>> singular sense. That rules out names such as 'slice' or 'fragment'.
>> 
>> I think this is a slightly outdated concept of zones.
>> 
>> The key to scalability in nova is to divide the set of all compute nodes
> into
>> subsets, each with its own messaging and database infrastructure. The
>> granularity of everything else (scheduling, api, volume, network,
> what-have-
>> you) is just an implementation or deployment detail that should be
> flexible
>> depending on our ultimate implementation and any alternative strategies we
>> expose to deployers.
>> 
>> With this in mind it's still true that the smallest deployment would be
> likely
>> include just one compute zone (or compute cell, as we are trending). But
>> that is a far cry from the whole system even in a small deployment.
>> 
>> For this reason, whatever name we choose I would hope we prefix it with
>> "compute-" (i.e. compute-zone or compute-cell) so that we aren't letting
>> language trick us out of some of our better implementation options, such
> as
>> allowing deployers to scale compute, volume, network, and api resources
>> separately.
>> 
>> "Ed Leafe"  said:
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Nathanael Burton wrote:
>>> 
 Sectors remind me too much of disks.
>>> 
>>>Agreed.
>>> 
 How about? Layers, Slices, Fragments, Knots...
>>> 
>>>Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a
>>> single "zone", so whatever term is used should make sense in a
>>> singular sense. That rules out names such as 'slice' or 'fragment'.
>>> 
>>>'Knot'? In what sense can 'knot' be used?
>>> 
>>>I still prefer 'cell'. The parallel to single celled /
> multi-cellular
>>> life forms makes sense, and there is really no overloading of the word
>>> in the world of computers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Ed Leafe
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Openstack] [DEVSTACK] officialize it!

2012-02-06 Thread Sean Roberts 
Hmm. Sounds like a good idea. I will reach out to the board and ask.

~sean

On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:34 AM, "Joshua Harlow" 
mailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Over the weekend I was thinking (I know a first, haha).

I was wondering if the community could elevate devstack to a "official" 
openstack project, instead of being a "unofficial project". Since it seems like 
pretty much every developer (and even CI) is either depending on the shell 
script or the python script, so the unofficial wording seems incorrect. 
Hopefully we can have that happen and have this "official" project focus on 
just a developer setup script (imho the python version, since it fits in with 
the whole python model every other component is using and allows for features 
the shell script is not doing, multi-distro support, starting, stopping, 
uninstalling, object oriented design, to name a few...) of the openstack 
components (and not dive into the scripts that are showing up), ie leave that 
to 3rd party websites.

What does everyone think?

Maybe this can happen after essex?

-Josh
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Re: [Openstack] Proposal for new devstack (v2?)

2012-01-20 Thread Sean Roberts 
Sweet. Will do next week.

~sean

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, "Joshua Harlow" 
mailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

For those that want to try it glance should be working!
Since glance has dependencies on keystone, and the database both of these will 
be installed and started automatically (uninstall and starting and such should 
work!)
How to accomplish this can be seen at the github page readme.
https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2#readme

I will write up some documents on the github twiki sometime soon with more 
details!
Nova and the rest should be coming along soon.
Hopefully this will make everyones lives easier in the end :-)
Please try it out, feedback welcome :-)

-Josh

On 1/18/12 10:17 PM, "Gary Kotton"  wrote:

Brilliant!


From: openstack-bounces+garyk=radware@lists.launchpad.net 
[mailto:openstack-bounces+garyk=radware@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Harlow
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:21 PM
To: Mark McLoughlin
Cc: Andy Smith; openstack
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Proposal for new devstack (v2?)

Sweet, we are working on getting functionality for rhel and ubuntu up and going 
and then hopefully some docs (and code comments) can be added in so other 
people can know exactly what is going on (without the typical “go read the 
code” response). But the idea is the following:

Have a set of json files (+ I added the ability to have simple comments) that 
specify the needed dependencies + versions (+ other metadata) for each 
distribution.

https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2/blob/master/conf/pkgs/general.json

Have those different sections be handled by a class specific to a distribution 
(or possibly shared, ie fedora and rhel).

https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2/tree/master/devstack/packaging 
(WIP as we work with the rhel peoples to get the dependencies flushed out)

Similar with pip installs (if any):

https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2/tree/master/conf/pips

Then this information can be updated as needed  for each release of openstack 
(with exact dependencies, y a win for everyone!) so that this whole pkg 
process becomes better for everyone.

Of course also we are allowing other types of running besides screen (I like 
just having it in the background via a fork with output going to files...)

That’s whats going on so far :-)

Thx,

-Josh

On 1/18/12 3:45 AM, "Mark McLoughlin"  wrote:
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 11:20 -0800, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> My goals were/are/(may continue to be, haha) the following:
...
>  3.  Have the ability to have pkg/pip installation (and definition
> separate from the main code, already starting to be done), in more
> than 1 distro.
> *   This allows others to easily know what versions of packages
> work for a given openstack release for more than one distro (yes
> that's right, more than ubuntu)

Serious kudos to you guys on this part. IMHO, having a devstack that
supports multiple distros is a massive win for OpenStack generally.

Hopefully we can dig in and help with Fedora support soonish

Cheers,
Mark.



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