Re: [Openstack] No official Diablo 2011.3.1 for oneiric?
Philipp Wollermann wrote: > It's totally acceptable if Ubuntu chooses to handle their packages like this, > providing a very stable and reliable base system - though as it is also the > primary and kind of "official" platform for OpenStack deployments, I think it > would be greatly appreciated if there would be an officially maintained PPA > which contains the most up-to-date stable release of OpenStack for the latest > version(s) of Ubuntu. > Then, users themselves could choose whether to trust and track the official > releases or stick to Ubuntu's releases. The openstack-ppa team may well be introducing a stable/essex PPA that will contain packages of the latest tip of that branch for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. But that will be an automated PPA with no guarantee -- good for testing but not so great for production purposes. Any production-grade distribution of OpenStack (and a PPA is a form of distribution) involves some editorial policy on the contents and some extra upgrade testing, which the openstack-ppa team is not staffed to deliver. There is room for other groups though: if any group wants to have a shot at maintaining something Ubuntu-based that is less bleeding-edge than openstack-ppa but still more fix-inclusive than official Ubuntu packages, just go for it ! -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) Release Manager, OpenStack ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] No official Diablo 2011.3.1 for oneiric?
Excerpts from Philipp Wollermann's message of Thu Apr 05 17:16:29 -0700 2012: > On Apr 5, 2012, at 18:47, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > > Philipp Wollermann wrote: > >> am I right, that the official packages of openstack (nova) for Ubuntu > >> 11.10 (oneiric) were never updated to Diablo 2011.3.1 and no bug-fixes > >> from after the initial release were ever included? > >> I checked the change log of the nova packages, and it seems like the > >> maintainers only fixed security issues. > > > > The stable/diablo branches, and the resulting 2011.3.1 release, are a > > cross-distro effort to maintain a stable version of past releases. Each > > distribution of OpenStack follows its own rules on what patches it > > backports, in the case of Ubuntu itself, it follows: > > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates > > Thank you for the explanation. I understand that some users would rather live > with known unfixed bugs than the risk of introducing new ones through a fix > and that this is the way Ubuntu handles updates to packages. > > However, I was wondering, because nova is already part of the SRU process, > yet the latest version of nova in ubuntu-proposed is hanging in this state > since 4 months. Even if it ever gets released to ubuntu-updates, it's > probably outdated again. > > It's totally acceptable if Ubuntu chooses to handle their packages like this, > providing a very stable and reliable base system - though as it is also the > primary and kind of "official" platform for OpenStack deployments, I think it > would be greatly appreciated if there would be an officially maintained PPA > which contains the most up-to-date stable release of OpenStack for the latest > version(s) of Ubuntu. > Then, users themselves could choose whether to trust and track the official > releases or stick to Ubuntu's releases. > As a member of the team that reviews these updates, I've suggested that OpenStack's components be given a micro-release exception. These are pretty normal for projects with the level of active QA that OpenStack receives, and the policies around the stable branch are 100% compatible with that. The Ubuntu tech board response to this was that its a good idea, but that we should first push a few of these versions through with the usual process which involves verifying *every* bug fix. That is where the oneiric-proposed nova package is at right now.. awaiting verification. You can see on the "SRU report" for Ubuntu that nova has quite a few fixes to verify: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html I think even if this version does not progress to oneiric-updates, we've proven that the micro-release exception is needed, and thus far, no regressions have appeared. So, I'm hopeful that Essex will be granted a full micro release exception for 12.04 and we can ship those updates on a periodic basis. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] No official Diablo 2011.3.1 for oneiric?
On Apr 5, 2012, at 18:47, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Philipp Wollermann wrote: >> am I right, that the official packages of openstack (nova) for Ubuntu 11.10 >> (oneiric) were never updated to Diablo 2011.3.1 and no bug-fixes from after >> the initial release were ever included? >> I checked the change log of the nova packages, and it seems like the >> maintainers only fixed security issues. > > The stable/diablo branches, and the resulting 2011.3.1 release, are a > cross-distro effort to maintain a stable version of past releases. Each > distribution of OpenStack follows its own rules on what patches it > backports, in the case of Ubuntu itself, it follows: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates Thank you for the explanation. I understand that some users would rather live with known unfixed bugs than the risk of introducing new ones through a fix and that this is the way Ubuntu handles updates to packages. However, I was wondering, because nova is already part of the SRU process, yet the latest version of nova in ubuntu-proposed is hanging in this state since 4 months. Even if it ever gets released to ubuntu-updates, it's probably outdated again. It's totally acceptable if Ubuntu chooses to handle their packages like this, providing a very stable and reliable base system - though as it is also the primary and kind of "official" platform for OpenStack deployments, I think it would be greatly appreciated if there would be an officially maintained PPA which contains the most up-to-date stable release of OpenStack for the latest version(s) of Ubuntu. Then, users themselves could choose whether to trust and track the official releases or stick to Ubuntu's releases. Best regards, -- Philipp Wollermann Infrastructure Engineer CyberAgent, Inc. (Tokyo) https://github.com/philwo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] No official Diablo 2011.3.1 for oneiric?
I've been testing some versions and decided to use ubuntu packages because the same concerns you've mentioned. But, I reached a point where I can't instantiate more than 16 virtual machines. There are a lot of changes in the network component that fix this problem but I've checked they weren't applied to the code of the distributed packages. I really hope this situation changes in 12.04 LTS Server. I'm in the same situation as you! Cheers. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Philipp Wollermann wrote: > > am I right, that the official packages of openstack (nova) for Ubuntu > 11.10 (oneiric) were never updated to Diablo 2011.3.1 and no bug-fixes from > after the initial release were ever included? > > I checked the change log of the nova packages, and it seems like the > maintainers only fixed security issues. > > The stable/diablo branches, and the resulting 2011.3.1 release, are a > cross-distro effort to maintain a stable version of past releases. Each > distribution of OpenStack follows its own rules on what patches it > backports, in the case of Ubuntu itself, it follows: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates > > -- > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > Release Manager, OpenStack > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- - MSc. Correa, J.L. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] No official Diablo 2011.3.1 for oneiric?
Philipp Wollermann wrote: > am I right, that the official packages of openstack (nova) for Ubuntu 11.10 > (oneiric) were never updated to Diablo 2011.3.1 and no bug-fixes from after > the initial release were ever included? > I checked the change log of the nova packages, and it seems like the > maintainers only fixed security issues. The stable/diablo branches, and the resulting 2011.3.1 release, are a cross-distro effort to maintain a stable version of past releases. Each distribution of OpenStack follows its own rules on what patches it backports, in the case of Ubuntu itself, it follows: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) Release Manager, OpenStack ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack] No official Diablo 2011.3.1 for oneiric?
Hello, am I right, that the official packages of openstack (nova) for Ubuntu 11.10 (oneiric) were never updated to Diablo 2011.3.1 and no bug-fixes from after the initial release were ever included? I checked the change log of the nova packages, and it seems like the maintainers only fixed security issues. I can't find an official OpenStack PPA for oneiric with updated Diablo packages, either. Personally I like the ManagedIT packages, but unfortunately due to security concerns we can't use third-party PPAs for our deployment. :( Best regards, Philipp Wollermann Infrastructure Engineer CyberAgent, Inc. (Tokyo) https://github.com/philwo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
