Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones
Thanks a lot for your answers. But why do you want to move the Zone code into the extension part ? It's a core part of OpenStack, why it doesn't stay in the core code ? Another question about extensions. I had understand that an extension will be integrated to the core OSAPI when it will be mature, is that true ? The extension mechanism is like an incubator for OSAPI functionalities ? Regards, Édouard. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Sandy Walsh sandy.wa...@rackspace.com wrote: Jorge is correct. The zones stuff was added before the API was finalized and before the extensions mechanism was in place. We simply haven't taken the time to convert it yet. -S From: openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net [openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf of Anne Gentle [a...@openstack.org] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:25 PM To: Doude Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones Hi Édouard - I believe zones are documented in the Developer docs in http://nova.openstack.org/devref/zone.html. The howto scenarios are documented using the nova python client only currently (probably due to the refactoring Jorge mentions). When you run into these gaps, please do log a bug against either nova or openstack-manuals (http://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals). The nova-docs team is small and working through a backlog of such items, and bugs definitely help with prioritization and tracking. Thanks, Anne On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Doude doudou...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to understand the multi-zone architecture of OpenStack. I saw zone commands (list, show, select ...) have been added to the OSAPI v1.1 (not as an extension but as a core component of the API) but I cannot find any documentations in the OSAPI book: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/developer/openstack-compute-api-1.1/content/ Where I can find this documentation ? In OpenStack wiki ? Where I can open a bug about this lack of documentation ? Regards, Édouard. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones
Inline: On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:36 AM, Doude wrote: Thanks a lot for your answers. But why do you want to move the Zone code into the extension part ? It's a core part of OpenStack, why it doesn't stay in the core code ? If something is in core then it's guaranteed to be available always. A client should be able to count on the functionality in core for a particular version of an API. Zone's offer admin level functionality that may not be available to all users. I don't think that Rackspace will expose Zones to it's customers right away, for example. By having Zones as an extension a client can detect whether zone support is available or not. Another question about extensions. I had understand that an extension will be integrated to the core OSAPI when it will be mature, is that true ? The extension mechanism is like an incubator for OSAPI functionalities ? Yes, the extension mechanism can be used as an incubator for functionality. But, not all extensions are destine to make it to the core. Some extension for example will cover niche functionality that may be useful for a small set of users. Other extension may cover functionality that would set the bar high for folks deploying OS clouds. Other extension may expose functionality that's applicable to a specific hypervisor etc. That said, at the end of the day, the PTL decides which of these extensions make it to core and which stay as extensions. I've got a draft of a write up to explain extensions in some detail here: https://github.com/RackerWilliams/OpenStack-Extensions/blob/master/apix-intro.pdf Nothing there is set entirely in stone, but it drafts the concept as we're currently thinking of it. I'm in the process of setting up an extension registry and documenting a number of extensions. These certainly inform the doc above -- so expect some changes. As soon as things stabilize I'll publish the doc in our doc site. -jOrGe W. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones
On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Jorge Williams wrote: But why do you want to move the Zone code into the extension part ? It's a core part of OpenStack, why it doesn't stay in the core code ? If something is in core then it's guaranteed to be available always. A client should be able to count on the functionality in core for a particular version of an API. Zone's offer admin level functionality that may not be available to all users. I don't think that Rackspace will expose Zones to it's customers right away, for example. By having Zones as an extension a client can detect whether zone support is available or not. It was my understanding that zones would be transparent to the user; in fact, we went to great pains to ensure that zone information was *not* available to the user. Clients would not need to detect if zones exist. -- Ed Leafe ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones
Last time I had a conversation about this, I believe the goal was to refractor and document Zone support as an extension to the core API. We're just not there yet. -jOrGe W. On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Doude wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to understand the multi-zone architecture of OpenStack. I saw zone commands (list, show, select ...) have been added to the OSAPI v1.1 (not as an extension but as a core component of the API) but I cannot find any documentations in the OSAPI book: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/developer/openstack-compute-api-1.1/content/ Where I can find this documentation ? In OpenStack wiki ? Where I can open a bug about this lack of documentation ? Regards, Édouard. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones
Hi Édouard - I believe zones are documented in the Developer docs in http://nova.openstack.org/devref/zone.html. The howto scenarios are documented using the nova python client only currently (probably due to the refactoring Jorge mentions). When you run into these gaps, please do log a bug against either nova or openstack-manuals (http://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals). The nova-docs team is small and working through a backlog of such items, and bugs definitely help with prioritization and tracking. Thanks, Anne On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Doude doudou...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to understand the multi-zone architecture of OpenStack. I saw zone commands (list, show, select ...) have been added to the OSAPI v1.1 (not as an extension but as a core component of the API) but I cannot find any documentations in the OSAPI book: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/developer/openstack-compute-api-1.1/content/ Where I can find this documentation ? In OpenStack wiki ? Where I can open a bug about this lack of documentation ? Regards, Édouard. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones
Jorge is correct. The zones stuff was added before the API was finalized and before the extensions mechanism was in place. We simply haven't taken the time to convert it yet. -S From: openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net [openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf of Anne Gentle [a...@openstack.org] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:25 PM To: Doude Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OSAPI and Zones Hi Édouard - I believe zones are documented in the Developer docs in http://nova.openstack.org/devref/zone.html. The howto scenarios are documented using the nova python client only currently (probably due to the refactoring Jorge mentions). When you run into these gaps, please do log a bug against either nova or openstack-manuals (http://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals). The nova-docs team is small and working through a backlog of such items, and bugs definitely help with prioritization and tracking. Thanks, Anne On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Doude doudou...@gmail.commailto:doudou...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to understand the multi-zone architecture of OpenStack. I saw zone commands (list, show, select ...) have been added to the OSAPI v1.1 (not as an extension but as a core component of the API) but I cannot find any documentations in the OSAPI book: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/developer/openstack-compute-api-1.1/content/ Where I can find this documentation ? In OpenStack wiki ? Where I can open a bug about this lack of documentation ? Regards, Édouard. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstackhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstackhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
