Re: [openstack-dev] Hangzhou Bug Smash will be held from July 6 to 8

[Fred Li]

Hi Will,Happy to know that you are going to join remotely!you can add bugs you want to fix into the link [3] below, and discuss on the irc channel. RegardsFredOn Jul 1, 2016, at 02:07, Will Zhou  wrote:Hello Fred,Great event! In which way can we work remotely with the team? Thanks.On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:05 PM Liyongle (Fred)  wrote:Hi OpenStackers,

The 4th China OpenStack Bug Smash, hosted by CESI, Huawei, and intel, will be held in Hangzhou, China from July 6 to 8 (Beijing time), from 01:00 July 6 to 6:00 July 8 UTC. And the target to get bugs fixed before the milestone newton-2  [1].

Around 50 stackers will fix the bugs in nova, cinder, neutron, magnum, ceilometer, heat, ironic, smaug, freezer, oslo, murano and kolla. You are appreciated to provide any support, or work remotely with the team.

Please find this bug smash home page at [2], and the bugs list in [3] (under preparation).

[1] http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html
[2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Newton-Hangzhou
[3] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hackathon4_all_list

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Re: [openstack-dev] Hangzhou Bug Smash will be held from July 6 to 8

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Hi Will,

Happy to know that you are going to join remotely!

you can add bugs you want to fix into the link [3] below, and discuss on the 
irc channel. 

Regards
Fred
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 02:07, Will Zhou  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Fred,
> 
> Great event! In which way can we work remotely with the team? Thanks.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:05 PM Liyongle (Fred)  > wrote:
> Hi OpenStackers,
> 
> The 4th China OpenStack Bug Smash, hosted by CESI, Huawei, and intel, will be 
> held in Hangzhou, China from July 6 to 8 (Beijing time), from 01:00 July 6 to 
> 6:00 July 8 UTC. And the target to get bugs fixed before the milestone 
> newton-2  [1].
> 
> Around 50 stackers will fix the bugs in nova, cinder, neutron, magnum, 
> ceilometer, heat, ironic, smaug, freezer, oslo, murano and kolla. You are 
> appreciated to provide any support, or work remotely with the team.
> 
> Please find this bug smash home page at [2], and the bugs list in [3] (under 
> preparation).
> 
> [1] http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html 
> 
> [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Newton-Hangzhou 
> 
> [3] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hackathon4_all_list 
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
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[openstack-dev] OpenStack Bug Smash for Pike Release

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Hi all,

OpenStack Bug Smash for Pike is ongoing now. I will last from Wednesday to
Friday May 17 to 19 in Suzhou, China.

Around 60 engineers are working on Nova, Cinder, Neutron, Keystone, Heat,
Telemetry, Ironic, Oslo, OSC, Kolla, Trove, Dragonflow, Karbor, Manila,
Zaqar, Tricircle, Cloudkitty, Cyborg, Mogan, and etc.

You are appreciated to review the patches in the coming days.

Please find the homepage of the bug smash in [1] and the list of bugs we
are working on in [2].

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou[2] [2]
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou-Bug-List

Fred

On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, ChangBo Guo  wrote:

> I attended the bug smash two times before. it's really like we did at PTG,
> but just fix bugs in same room in 3 days,
> It's appricated core reviewers can help review online.
>
> 2017-03-28 21:35 GMT+08:00 Sean McGinnis  >:
>
>> I can say from my experience being involved in the last event that these
>> can be very productive. It was great seeing a room full of devs just
>> focused on getting bugs fixed!
>>
>> I highly encourage anyone interested to attend. I would also recommend
>> cores for each project to pay some attention to getting these reviewed.
>> It can be a great way to build up momentum and really get a lot fixed in
>> a short amount of time.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 07:15:02AM +, Liyongle (Fred) wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > We are planning to have the Bug Smash for Pike release from Wednesday
>> to Friday, May 17 to 19 in Suzhou, China.
>> > After considering summit Boston (May 8 to 11) and Pike-2 milestone (Jun
>> 5 to 9), we finalized the schedule.
>> >
>> > Bug Smash China will probably cover Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Keystone,
>> Manila, Heat, Telemetry, Karbor, Tricircle, which finally depends on the
>> attendees.
>> >
>> > If you want to set up bug smash in your city, please share the
>> information at [1].
>> > If you are planning to join the 6th Bug Smash in China, please register
>> at [2].
>> >
>> > [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike
>> > [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou
>> >
>> > Fred (李永乐)
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tricircle]PTL non-candidacy

[Fred Li]

Hi Joe,

Thanks a lot for your work for Tricircle, and glad to continue work with
you in this project.
Hope Tricircle will serve more and more customers.

Fred

On Friday, July 21, 2017, joehuang  wrote:

> Hello, all,
>
> Next cycle PTL nomination is approaching, as I announced in the last
> weekly meeting, I am not planning to run for Queen PTL position. It's
> exciting and joyful journey to work in the Tricircle project, not only for
> the interesting features, but also for the excellent team:
>
> 1) Basic tenant L2/L3 networking among OpenStack regions can work now, and
> it's quite useful to help applications achieve cloud level high
> availability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcc7-eZnkY
> 2) Tricircle+Neutron can also work with Nova cells V2 to scale single
> OpenStack, it's something more than what we have planned.
>
> I would like to thank everyone who has contributed/is contributing in
> Tricricle, and I'm sure community can continue making it even better.
>
> Nomination period will start soon, whoever the next PTL might be, I'll
> continue serving as core reviewer to help the project.
>
> Thank you very much and best wishes.
>
> Best Regards
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[openstack-dev] OpenStack Bug Smash for Queens

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Hi all OpenStackers,

Since April 2015, there have been 6 OpenStack Bug Smash events in
China. OpenStack Bug Smash has been a routine and exciting event by
OpenStacker expects. In the past 5 bug smashes, over 300 top
developers from many companies(Huawei,Intel,CMCC, IBM, Mirantis,
Awcloud, 99cloud, UnitedStack, EasyStack, LeTV, ZTE, and etc.)
contributed 600+ bugs to community. This achievement significantly
demonstrated the technical strength of Chinese engineers. Huawei,
Intel and those companies show the commitment of OpenStack Stability
to enterprise customers.

Now, the 7th OpenStack bug smash is coming. Intel, Huawei, Fiberhome
and CESI will host this event. Intel, Huawei and Fiberhome are all
OpenStack members[1].
Come to join other OpenStackers to make Queens a grand success!
Come to learn tips and gain a better understanding by working closely
with other talents.
Each focused project will have a core on standby to review patches and
vote for merges.

Queens Bug SmashObject: smash the critical and high bugs in key
projects. Focused projects: Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Keystone, Manila,
Heat, Telemetry, Karbor, Tricircle, and the ones you want to add.

To all the projects team leaders, you can discuss with your team
members in the project meeting and mark the bugs you expect OpenStack
Bug Smash Queens to fix. If you can arrange core reviewers to take
care of the patches during that week, that will be more efficient.

Date: from Nov 22 to Nov 24, which is 2 weeks prior to Queens-2 milestone[2].

Location: 中国湖北省武汉市洪山区邮科院路88号，烽火创新谷武汉国际创客中心五楼一号会议室 [3]


Please start to register in [4].
And start to list the bugs to be fixed in [5].

[1] https://www.openstack.org/foundation/companies/
[2] https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html
[3] 
https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/88+You+Ke+Yuan+Lu,+GuangGu+ShangQuan,+Hongshan+Qu,+Wuhan+Shi,+Hubei+Sheng,+China,+430073/@30.5107646,114.392814,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x342ea4ce1537ed17:0x52ff45d6b5dba38c!8m2!3d30.51076!4d114.395008?hl=en
[4] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Queens-Wuhan
[5] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Queens-Wuhan-Bugs-List


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Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Bug Smash for Queens

[Fred Li]

Hi all,

Just to remind that Bug Smash Queens will happen next week.

In this week's weekly meeting, hope you can inform projects team and
list bugs expected to be fixed in [5]. And if you can assign core
reviewers to take care of the bugs from Nov 22 to 24, that would be
fantastic.


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:10 AM, ChangBo Guo  wrote:
> Thanks Fred  for raising this.
>
> BWT ,  we have a session about the Bug Smash event in Sydney Summit [1],
> please join us if you're interested.
>
>
> [1]
> https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19746/what-china-developers-brought-to-community-after-6-openstack-bug-smash-events
>
> 2017-10-21 15:40 GMT+08:00 Fred Li :
>>
>> Hi all OpenStackers,
>>
>> Since April 2015, there have been 6 OpenStack Bug Smash events in
>> China. OpenStack Bug Smash has been a routine and exciting event by
>> OpenStacker expects. In the past 5 bug smashes, over 300 top
>> developers from many companies(Huawei,Intel,CMCC, IBM, Mirantis,
>> Awcloud, 99cloud, UnitedStack, EasyStack, LeTV, ZTE, and etc.)
>> contributed 600+ bugs to community. This achievement significantly
>> demonstrated the technical strength of Chinese engineers. Huawei,
>> Intel and those companies show the commitment of OpenStack Stability
>> to enterprise customers.
>>
>> Now, the 7th OpenStack bug smash is coming. Intel, Huawei, Fiberhome
>> and CESI will host this event. Intel, Huawei and Fiberhome are all
>> OpenStack members[1].
>> Come to join other OpenStackers to make Queens a grand success!
>> Come to learn tips and gain a better understanding by working closely
>> with other talents.
>> Each focused project will have a core on standby to review patches and
>> vote for merges.
>>
>> Queens Bug SmashObject: smash the critical and high bugs in key
>> projects. Focused projects: Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Keystone, Manila,
>> Heat, Telemetry, Karbor, Tricircle, and the ones you want to add.
>>
>> To all the projects team leaders, you can discuss with your team
>> members in the project meeting and mark the bugs you expect OpenStack
>> Bug Smash Queens to fix. If you can arrange core reviewers to take
>> care of the patches during that week, that will be more efficient.
>>
>> Date: from Nov 22 to Nov 24, which is 2 weeks prior to Queens-2
>> milestone[2].
>>
>> Location: 中国湖北省武汉市洪山区邮科院路88号，烽火创新谷武汉国际创客中心五楼一号会议室 [3]
>>
>>
>> Please start to register in [4].
>> And start to list the bugs to be fixed in [5].
>>
>> [1] https://www.openstack.org/foundation/companies/
>> [2] https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html
>> [3]
>> https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/88+You+Ke+Yuan+Lu,+GuangGu+ShangQuan,+Hongshan+Qu,+Wuhan+Shi,+Hubei+Sheng,+China,+430073/@30.5107646,114.392814,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x342ea4ce1537ed17:0x52ff45d6b5dba38c!8m2!3d30.51076!4d114.395008?hl=en
>> [4] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Queens-Wuhan
>> [5]
>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Queens-Wuhan-Bugs-List
>>
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

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 discuss plans for
>> finishing off the release, and early work they want to get started on for
>> the subsequent release). The problem with team-organised midcycles (as I'm
>> sure everyone remembers), is that there's little/no opportunity for
>> cross-project work.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>
> This was one of my concerns initially too. We may have to see how things go
> and
> course correct once we have a little more data to go on. But the thought (or
> at
> least the hope) was that we could get by with using the one PTG early in the
> cycle to get alignment, then though IRC, the mailing list, and the Forums
> (keep
> in mind there will be two Forums within the cycle) we would be able to keep
> things going and discuss any cross project concerns.
>
> This may actually get more emphasis on developers attending the Forum. I
> think
> that is one part of our PTG/Design Summit split that has not fully settled
> the
> way we had hoped. The Forum is still encouraged for developers to attend.
> But I
> think the reality has been many companies now just see the Summit as a
> marketing event and see no reason to send any developers.
>
> I can say from the last couple Forum experiences, a lot of really good
> discussions have happened there. It's really been unfortunate that there
> were a
> lot of key people missing from some of those discussions though. Personally,
> my
> hope with making this change would mean that the likelihood of devs being
> able
> to justify going to the Forum increases.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

[Fred Li]

I noticed some OpenStack distro vendors in China(not all the vendors)
like the idea to have one release per year. There are couple of
different reason:
1. It takes about 3 to 6 months to productize the release. But
customers always expect the vendors to productize every single
release, which cost a lot to the vendors.
2. prefer longer development cycle to have more features and to
stabilize the release.
I don't think the reason 2 is valid, so I will ignore this. The reason
1 does exist.

But I don't think the the proposal to change release cycle to one year
is good enough to accept.
What image OpenStack community gives to customers if we change the
release cycle to 1 year? I guess there could be 2. The first one is
that OpenStack is mature enough. The second could be that OpenStack is
stepping down as fewer developers are working on it, thus the output
is not big enough. Considering the second reason, I don't think this
idea is good.

The problem some vendors cost is high to follow every single release
still exists. My proposal is OpenStack Foundation can adjust the
release strategy, like the first 6 months release is features&bugs
focused, and the next 6 months' is mainly bugs focused. I would say
that it is more a marketing strategy than a technical development
strategy to manage customers' expectation, and can probably help
vendors not to productize each release.

I also share my opinion about ptg/summit/mid-cycle here.
Despite how long the release cycle is, the engineers do need meet in
person periodically. My feeling (sorry, I don't have pretty convincing
figure) is around every 3 months. So design summit (or PTG) every 6
months is mandatory, as the developers need talk about cross-project
topics together, and it is easier to find sponsors supporting formal
events than others (e.g. mid-cycle). Mid-cycle can be decided by each
project team. And to save travel cost, to have the summit and ptg in
the same week and same city is an option.

My 1 cent.


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Renat Akhmerov
 wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2017, 17:04 +0700, wrote:
>
>
> Can you detail more how having a longer cycle will make people that
> spends 20% of their time on OpenStack "catch up" with the people that
> spends 80% of their time on OpenStack?
>
> I understand the problem but I don't see how the proposed solution
> solves it.
>
>
> Yes, exactly.
>
>
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[openstack-dev] OpenStack Hackathon for Rocky release

[Fred Li]

Hi all OpenStackers,

Since April 2015, there have been 7 OpenStack Bug Smash events in
China. If you are interested, please visit [1].

Now, the 8th OpenStack bug smash is coming. Intel, Huawei, Tecent and
CESI will host this event. Just to highlight, this event is changed to
Open Source Hackathon as more open source communities are joining. You
can find Kata Containers, Ceph, Kubernetes, Cloud Foundry besides
OpenStack.

This event[2] will be on Jun 19 and 20 in Beijing, just prior to
OpenInfra Days China 2018 [3].

To all the projects team leaders, you can discuss with your team in
the project meeting and mark the bugs[4] you expect the attendees to
work on. If you can arrange core reviewers to take care of the patches
during the 2 days, that will be more efficient.

[1] 
https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/what-china-developers-brought-to-community-after-6-openstack-bug-smash-events
[2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-8-beijing
[3] http://china.openinfradays.org/
[4] 
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-Rocky-Beijing-Bugs-List

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Re: [openstack-dev] [election][tc]Question for candidates about global reachout

[Fred Li]

As a non-native English speaker, it is nice-to-have that some TC or BoD can
stay in the local social media, like wechat group in China. But it is also
very difficult for non-native Chinese speakers to stay find useful
information in ton of Chinese chats.
My thoughts (even I am not a TC candidate) on this is,
1. it is kind of you to stay in the local group.
2. if we know that you are in, we will say English if we want you to notice.
3. since there is local OpenStack operation manager, hope he/she can
identify some information and help to translate, or remind them to
translate.

My one cent.


On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Zhipeng Huang 
wrote:

> Ya I think the whole point here (the question per se )is just to gauge if
> TC Candidates are willing to engage with regional developer in a way that
> is best fitting for that region.
>
> It surly will take other measures to make this entire effort work . On
> that I totally agree with you that there should be ambassadors to help
> facilitate the discussion, and the end goal is always to go to upstream
> instead of the convo ending in local or downstream.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 9:52 AM Matt Riedemann  wrote:
>
>> On 9/14/2018 1:52 PM, Zhipeng Huang wrote:
>> > This is a joint question from mnaser and me :)
>> >
>> > For the candidates who are running for tc seats, please reply to this
>> > email to indicate if you are open to use certain social media app in
>> > certain region (like Wechat in China, Line in Japan, etc.), in order to
>> > reach out to the OpenStack developers in that region and help them to
>> > connect to the upstream community as well as answering questions or
>> > other activities that will help. (sorry for the long sentence ... )
>> >
>> > Rico and I already sign up for Wechat communication for sure :)
>>
>> Having had some experience with WeChat, I can't imagine I'd be very
>> useful in a nova channel in WeChat since the majority of people in that
>> group wouldn't be speaking English so I wouldn't be of much help, unless
>> someone directly asked me a question in English. I realize the double
>> standard here with expecting non-native English speakers to show up in
>> the #openstack-nova freenode IRC channel to ask questions. It's
>> definitely a hard problem when people simply can't speak the same
>> language and I don't have a great solution. Probably the best common
>> solution we have is having more people across time zones and language
>> barriers engaging in more discussion in the mailing list (and Gerrit
>> reviews of course). So maybe that means if you're in WeChat and someone
>> is blocked or has a bigger question for a specific project team,
>> encourage them to send an email to the dev ML - but that requires
>> ambassadors to be in WeChat channels to make that suggestion. I think of
>> this like working with product teams within your own company. Lots of
>> those people aren't active upstream contributors and to avoid being the
>> middleman (and thus bottleneck) for all communication between upstream
>> and downstream teams, I've encouraged the downstream folk to send an
>> email upstream to start a discussion.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [election][tc]Question for candidates about global reachout

[Fred Li]

There are many wechat groups about OpenStack, some of them are regional
(like southern east China, Beijing, Xi'an group), some of them are event
oriented, and some are for others. Yes, you need to be invited, which is
not convenient. So far as I know there is not nova group, or maybe Alex
knows.
Thanks, I will invite you to 1 or 2 active groups.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Matt Riedemann 
wrote:

> On 9/15/2018 9:50 PM, Fred Li wrote:
>
>> As a non-native English speaker, it is nice-to-have that some TC or BoD
>> can stay in the local social media, like wechat group in China. But it is
>> also very difficult for non-native Chinese speakers to stay find useful
>> information in ton of Chinese chats.
>> My thoughts (even I am not a TC candidate) on this is,
>> 1. it is kind of you to stay in the local group.
>> 2. if we know that you are in, we will say English if we want you to
>> notice.
>> 3. since there is local OpenStack operation manager, hope he/she can
>> identify some information and help to translate, or remind them to
>> translate.
>>
>> My one cent.
>>
>
> Is there a generic openstack group on wechat? Does one have to be invited
> to it? Is there a specific openstack/nova group on wechat? I'm on wechat
> anyway so I don't mind being in those groups if someone wants to reach out.
>
>
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>
> Matt
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Re: [openstack-dev] [penstack-dev]Discussion about the future of OpenStack in China

[Fred Li]

Hi Jay,

Yes, I used google translator and modified few. I will talk with OpenStack
operation manager in China to find a way to translate them.
Your questions are for the first blog [1], I think. I share the blogs here
because I think the authors may follow the mail list as well and hope they
will reply.
And if you have time, you can read [2] and others.

Thanks

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:12 AM Jay Pipes  wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I had a hard time understanding the articles. I'm not sure if you used
> Google Translate to do the translation from Chinese to English, but I
> personally found both of them difficult to follow.
>
> There were a couple points that I did manage to decipher, though. One
> thing that both articles seemed to say was that OpenStack doesn't meet
> public (AWS-ish) cloud use cases and OpenStack doesn't compare favorably
> to VMWare either.
>
> Is there a large contingent of Chinese OpenStack users that expect
> OpenStack to be a free (as in beer) version of VMware technology?
>
> What are the 3 most important features that Chinese OpenStack users
> would like to see included in OpenStack projects?
>
> Thanks,
> -jay
>
> On 09/24/2018 11:10 AM, Fred Li wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Recently there are several blogs which discussed about the future of
> > OpenStack. If I was not wrong, the first one is
> > "OpenStack-8-year-itch"[1], and you can find its English version
> > attached. Thanks to google translation. The second one is
> > "5-years-my-opinion-on-OpenStack" [2] with English version attached as
> > well. Please translate the 3 to 6 and read them if you are interested.
> >
> > I don't want to judge anything here. I just want to share as they are
> > quite hot discussion and I think it is valuable for the whole community,
> > not part of community to know.
> >
> > [1] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/GM5cMOl0q3hb_6_eEiixzA
> > [2] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/qZkE4o_BHBPlbIjekjDRKw
> > [3] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/svX4z3JM5ArQ57A1jFoyLw
> > [4] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Nyb0OxI2Z7LxDpofTTyWOg
> > [5] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/5GV4i8kyedHSbCxCO1VBRw
> > [6] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/yeBcMogumXKGQ0KyKrgbqA
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> >
> >
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