Re: [openstack-dev] [Elections] TC Election analysis
Keep in mind also there is an increasing interest with potentially integrating Operators in some manner.Judging from the candidates statements anyway. Whatever we pursue to improve engagement, it will be interesting to see how an expressed desire to represent the Operator community actually translates into tangible steps. Not from a disinterest but because some logistics approaches are easier than others to adopt. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville < cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Maish Saidel-Keesing < >> mais...@maishsk.com> wrote: >> >>> On 04/30/15 21:48, Joe Gordon wrote: >>> As others have done for past elections, here is a brief breakdown of the TC election ballot data. analysis: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213831 source code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213830 > >> Thanks Joe for the analysis. It is quite interesting. Another thing that >>> I find interesting is the low participation rate. >>> >>> Out of 2169 eligible voters, 548 participated - that is 25.26%. >>> >> >> According to [0] there were 369 ”Regular” contributors in 2014, and in >> Kilo there were only 748 contributors with 5 or more patches out of >> the 1886 contributors [1]. So measuring participation from eligible votes >> is a misleading. Well over half of the eligible voters have only >> contributed a few patches, and we had more voters participate then we have >> 'regular' contributors. So I think our turnout is actually really good. >> >> [0] https://www.openstack.org/assets/reports/osf-annual-report-2014.pdf >> [1] http://stackalytics.com/?release=kilo&metric=commits >> >> >>> >>> Comparing to previous elections >>> Oct. 2014 - 1893 eligible voters, 506 participated - 26.73% >>> Apr. 2014 - 1510 eligible voters, 408 participated - 29.66% >>> >>> I am wondering why the participation level is so low. This is really one >>> of the few opportunities a contributor has to define the direction of >>> OpenStack as a whole. And yet it goes down each election. >>> >> > I would also hypothesize that contributors who are eligible but less > regular in their contribution may not pay as much attention (or even be > subscribed? -- would be an interesting metric to see I imagine) to the > mailing list where a majority of the promotion and election activity occur. > > Where do all code contributors visit? Gerrit. If we were able to put up > Clippy on Gerrit for April Fools, maybe we could put something up to raise > awareness during the next election cycle? This could include linking people > to the election wiki page and reminding eligible folks to ensure they have > their correct e-mail address in Gerrit in order to receive a ballot. > > -- > Cody A.W. Somerville > > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Elections] TC Election analysis
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Maish Saidel-Keesing > wrote: > >> On 04/30/15 21:48, Joe Gordon wrote: >> >>> As others have done for past elections, here is a brief breakdown of the >>> TC election ballot data. >>> >>> analysis: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213831 >>> source code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213830 >>> >>> > Thanks Joe for the analysis. It is quite interesting. Another thing that >> I find interesting is the low participation rate. >> >> Out of 2169 eligible voters, 548 participated - that is 25.26%. >> > > According to [0] there were 369 ”Regular” contributors in 2014, and in > Kilo there were only 748 contributors with 5 or more patches out of > the 1886 contributors [1]. So measuring participation from eligible votes > is a misleading. Well over half of the eligible voters have only > contributed a few patches, and we had more voters participate then we have > 'regular' contributors. So I think our turnout is actually really good. > > [0] https://www.openstack.org/assets/reports/osf-annual-report-2014.pdf > [1] http://stackalytics.com/?release=kilo&metric=commits > > >> >> Comparing to previous elections >> Oct. 2014 - 1893 eligible voters, 506 participated - 26.73% >> Apr. 2014 - 1510 eligible voters, 408 participated - 29.66% >> >> I am wondering why the participation level is so low. This is really one >> of the few opportunities a contributor has to define the direction of >> OpenStack as a whole. And yet it goes down each election. >> > I would also hypothesize that contributors who are eligible but less regular in their contribution may not pay as much attention (or even be subscribed? -- would be an interesting metric to see I imagine) to the mailing list where a majority of the promotion and election activity occur. Where do all code contributors visit? Gerrit. If we were able to put up Clippy on Gerrit for April Fools, maybe we could put something up to raise awareness during the next election cycle? This could include linking people to the election wiki page and reminding eligible folks to ensure they have their correct e-mail address in Gerrit in order to receive a ballot. -- Cody A.W. Somerville __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Elections] TC Election analysis
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: > > On 04/30/15 21:48, Joe Gordon wrote: > >> As others have done for past elections, here is a brief breakdown of the >> TC election ballot data. >> >> analysis: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213831 >> source code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213830 >> >> Some highlights are: >> >> * 3 people voted but ranked everyone as #19 >> * 16% of the ballots voted for 3 or fewer candidates >> * Theirry and Jay did much better then everyone else. >> * Most winning candidates were ranked #19 over 1/3 of the time. >> * No one voted for only James while 6 people only voted for Flavio (min >> and max) >> >> >> Thanks Joe for the analysis. It is quite interesting. Another thing that > I find interesting is the low participation rate. > > Out of 2169 eligible voters, 548 participated - that is 25.26%. > According to [0] there were 369 ”Regular” contributors in 2014, and in Kilo there were only 748 contributors with 5 or more patches out of the 1886 contributors [1]. So measuring participation from eligible votes is a misleading. Well over half of the eligible voters have only contributed a few patches, and we had more voters participate then we have 'regular' contributors. So I think our turnout is actually really good. [0] https://www.openstack.org/assets/reports/osf-annual-report-2014.pdf [1] http://stackalytics.com/?release=kilo&metric=commits > > Comparing to previous elections > Oct. 2014 - 1893 eligible voters, 506 participated - 26.73% > Apr. 2014 - 1510 eligible voters, 408 participated - 29.66% > > I am wondering why the participation level is so low. This is really one > of the few opportunities a contributor has to define the direction of > OpenStack as a whole. And yet it goes down each election. > > I can think of perhaps two reasons for low participation. > > 1. People do not see find that they need interaction with the TC, they are > focused on the work going on in their project and at most - have > interaction they need with the PTL, they do not really care that much about > - or have any dealings with the TC and it members - so they do not find it > important enough to participate. > > 2. Could it be that OpenStack has contributors that are producing code - > mainly because that is what their job is - they are hired by a vendor, a > company that has made it a priority to get code into the products - and > therefore they produce code, and evidently it is a sizable number of people > like this - but do not really participate in the community? > > Thoughts? > > -- > Best Regards, > Maish Saidel-Keesing > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Elections] TC Election analysis
On 2015-04-30 23:28:53 +0300 (+0300), Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: [...] > I am wondering why the participation level is so low. This is > really one of the few opportunities a contributor has to define > the direction of OpenStack as a whole. And yet it goes down each > election. [...] As a percentage of the electorate it's declining, but as an absolute count of voters it's increasing. I think this is an indicator that the interest/need to contribute patches is growing faster than the desire to be involved in governance of the project. I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive to improve it, but it's possible our projects are more recently attracting contributors who have less of an interest in how the project itself is governed and managed. -- Jeremy Stanley __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Elections] TC Election analysis
On 04/30/15 21:48, Joe Gordon wrote: As others have done for past elections, here is a brief breakdown of the TC election ballot data. analysis: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213831 source code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213830 Some highlights are: * 3 people voted but ranked everyone as #19 * 16% of the ballots voted for 3 or fewer candidates * Theirry and Jay did much better then everyone else. * Most winning candidates were ranked #19 over 1/3 of the time. * No one voted for only James while 6 people only voted for Flavio (min and max) Thanks Joe for the analysis. It is quite interesting. Another thing that I find interesting is the low participation rate. Out of 2169 eligible voters, 548 participated - that is 25.26%. Comparing to previous elections Oct. 2014 - 1893 eligible voters, 506 participated - 26.73% Apr. 2014 - 1510 eligible voters, 408 participated - 29.66% I am wondering why the participation level is so low. This is really one of the few opportunities a contributor has to define the direction of OpenStack as a whole. And yet it goes down each election. I can think of perhaps two reasons for low participation. 1. People do not see find that they need interaction with the TC, they are focused on the work going on in their project and at most - have interaction they need with the PTL, they do not really care that much about - or have any dealings with the TC and it members - so they do not find it important enough to participate. 2. Could it be that OpenStack has contributors that are producing code - mainly because that is what their job is - they are hired by a vendor, a company that has made it a priority to get code into the products - and therefore they produce code, and evidently it is a sizable number of people like this - but do not really participate in the community? Thoughts? -- Best Regards, Maish Saidel-Keesing __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [Elections] TC Election analysis
As others have done for past elections, here is a brief breakdown of the TC election ballot data. analysis: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213831 source code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/213830 Some highlights are: * 3 people voted but ranked everyone as #19 * 16% of the ballots voted for 3 or fewer candidates * Theirry and Jay did much better then everyone else. * Most winning candidates were ranked #19 over 1/3 of the time. * No one voted for only James while 6 people only voted for Flavio (min and max) __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
