Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc][election] Timing of the Upcoming Stein TC election
I created the patch to setup the tc election: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59/ -Kendall (diablo_rojo) On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:44 AM Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2018-08-10 07:44:42 +1000: > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2018-08-08 14:39:30 +1000: > > > > Hello all, > > > > With the PTL elections behind us it's time to start looking at > the > > > > TC election. Our charter[1] says: > > > > > > > > The election is held no later than 6 weeks prior to each OpenStack > > > > Summit (on or before ‘S-6’ week), with elections held open for no > less > > > > than four business days. > > > > > > > > Assuming we have the same structure that gives us a timeline of: > > > > > > > > Summit is at: 2018-11-13 > > > > Latest possible completion is at: 2018-10-02 > > > > Moving back to Tuesday: 2018-10-02 > > > > TC Election from 2018-09-25T23:45 to 2018-10-02T23:45 > > > > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-25T23:45 > > > > TC Nominations from 2018-09-11T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > > > > > > > This puts the bulk of the nomination period during the PTG, which is > > > > sub-optimal as the nominations cause a distraction from the PTG but > more > > > > so because the campaigning will coincide with travel home, and some > > > > community members take vacation along with the PTG. > > > > > > > > So I'd like to bring up the idea of moving the election forward a > > > > little so that it's actually the campaigning period that overlaps > with > > > > the PTG: > > > > > > > > TC Electionfrom 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-27T23:45 > > > > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-06T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > > > TC Nominations from 2018-08-30T23:45 to 2018-09-06T23:45 > > > > > > > > This gives us longer campaigning and election periods. > > > > > > > > There are some advantages to doing this: > > > > > > > > * A panel style Q could be held formally or informally ;P > > > > * There's improved scope for for incoming, outgoing and staying put > TC > > > >members to interact in a high bandwidth way. > > > > * In personi/private discussions with TC candidates/members. > > > > > > > > However it isn't without downsides: > > > > > > > > * Election fatigue, We've just had the PTL elections and the UC > > > > elections are currently running. Less break before the TC > elections > > > > may not be a good thing. > > > > * TC candidates that can't travel to the PTG could be disadvantaged > > > > * The campaigning would all happen at the PTG and not on the > mailing > > > > list disadvantaging community members not at the PTG. > > > > > > > > So thoughts? > > > > > > > > Yours Tony. > > > > > > > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html > > > > > > Who needs to make this decision? The current TC? > > > > I believe that the TC delegated that to the Election WG [1] but the > > governance here is a little gray/fuzzy. > > OK, I'm content for the Election team to make the call I just wanted to > make sure I gave you an opinion if you were asking me for one. ;-) > > > So I kinda think that if the TC doesn't object I can propose the patch > > to the election repo and you (as TC chair) can +/-1 is as you see fit. > > > > Is it fair to ask we do that shortly after the next TC office hours? > > +1 > > > > > Yours Tony. > > > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/working-groups.html > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc][election] Timing of the Upcoming Stein TC election
Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2018-08-10 07:44:42 +1000: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2018-08-08 14:39:30 +1000: > > > Hello all, > > > With the PTL elections behind us it's time to start looking at the > > > TC election. Our charter[1] says: > > > > > > The election is held no later than 6 weeks prior to each OpenStack > > > Summit (on or before ‘S-6’ week), with elections held open for no less > > > than four business days. > > > > > > Assuming we have the same structure that gives us a timeline of: > > > > > > Summit is at: 2018-11-13 > > > Latest possible completion is at: 2018-10-02 > > > Moving back to Tuesday: 2018-10-02 > > > TC Election from 2018-09-25T23:45 to 2018-10-02T23:45 > > > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-25T23:45 > > > TC Nominations from 2018-09-11T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > > > > > This puts the bulk of the nomination period during the PTG, which is > > > sub-optimal as the nominations cause a distraction from the PTG but more > > > so because the campaigning will coincide with travel home, and some > > > community members take vacation along with the PTG. > > > > > > So I'd like to bring up the idea of moving the election forward a > > > little so that it's actually the campaigning period that overlaps with > > > the PTG: > > > > > > TC Electionfrom 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-27T23:45 > > > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-06T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > > TC Nominations from 2018-08-30T23:45 to 2018-09-06T23:45 > > > > > > This gives us longer campaigning and election periods. > > > > > > There are some advantages to doing this: > > > > > > * A panel style Q could be held formally or informally ;P > > > * There's improved scope for for incoming, outgoing and staying put TC > > >members to interact in a high bandwidth way. > > > * In personi/private discussions with TC candidates/members. > > > > > > However it isn't without downsides: > > > > > > * Election fatigue, We've just had the PTL elections and the UC > > > elections are currently running. Less break before the TC elections > > > may not be a good thing. > > > * TC candidates that can't travel to the PTG could be disadvantaged > > > * The campaigning would all happen at the PTG and not on the mailing > > > list disadvantaging community members not at the PTG. > > > > > > So thoughts? > > > > > > Yours Tony. > > > > > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html > > > > Who needs to make this decision? The current TC? > > I believe that the TC delegated that to the Election WG [1] but the > governance here is a little gray/fuzzy. OK, I'm content for the Election team to make the call I just wanted to make sure I gave you an opinion if you were asking me for one. ;-) > So I kinda think that if the TC doesn't object I can propose the patch > to the election repo and you (as TC chair) can +/-1 is as you see fit. > > Is it fair to ask we do that shortly after the next TC office hours? +1 > > Yours Tony. > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/working-groups.html __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc][election] Timing of the Upcoming Stein TC election
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2018-08-08 14:39:30 +1000: > > Hello all, > > With the PTL elections behind us it's time to start looking at the > > TC election. Our charter[1] says: > > > > The election is held no later than 6 weeks prior to each OpenStack > > Summit (on or before ‘S-6’ week), with elections held open for no less > > than four business days. > > > > Assuming we have the same structure that gives us a timeline of: > > > > Summit is at: 2018-11-13 > > Latest possible completion is at: 2018-10-02 > > Moving back to Tuesday: 2018-10-02 > > TC Election from 2018-09-25T23:45 to 2018-10-02T23:45 > > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-25T23:45 > > TC Nominations from 2018-09-11T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > > > This puts the bulk of the nomination period during the PTG, which is > > sub-optimal as the nominations cause a distraction from the PTG but more > > so because the campaigning will coincide with travel home, and some > > community members take vacation along with the PTG. > > > > So I'd like to bring up the idea of moving the election forward a > > little so that it's actually the campaigning period that overlaps with > > the PTG: > > > > TC Electionfrom 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-27T23:45 > > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-06T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > TC Nominations from 2018-08-30T23:45 to 2018-09-06T23:45 > > > > This gives us longer campaigning and election periods. > > > > There are some advantages to doing this: > > > > * A panel style Q could be held formally or informally ;P > > * There's improved scope for for incoming, outgoing and staying put TC > >members to interact in a high bandwidth way. > > * In personi/private discussions with TC candidates/members. > > > > However it isn't without downsides: > > > > * Election fatigue, We've just had the PTL elections and the UC > > elections are currently running. Less break before the TC elections > > may not be a good thing. > > * TC candidates that can't travel to the PTG could be disadvantaged > > * The campaigning would all happen at the PTG and not on the mailing > > list disadvantaging community members not at the PTG. > > > > So thoughts? > > > > Yours Tony. > > > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html > > Who needs to make this decision? The current TC? I believe that the TC delegated that to the Election WG [1] but the governance here is a little gray/fuzzy. So I kinda think that if the TC doesn't object I can propose the patch to the election repo and you (as TC chair) can +/-1 is as you see fit. Is it fair to ask we do that shortly after the next TC office hours? Yours Tony. [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/working-groups.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc][election] Timing of the Upcoming Stein TC election
Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2018-08-08 14:39:30 +1000: > Hello all, > With the PTL elections behind us it's time to start looking at the > TC election. Our charter[1] says: > > The election is held no later than 6 weeks prior to each OpenStack > Summit (on or before ‘S-6’ week), with elections held open for no less > than four business days. > > Assuming we have the same structure that gives us a timeline of: > > Summit is at: 2018-11-13 > Latest possible completion is at: 2018-10-02 > Moving back to Tuesday: 2018-10-02 > TC Election from 2018-09-25T23:45 to 2018-10-02T23:45 > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-25T23:45 > TC Nominations from 2018-09-11T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > This puts the bulk of the nomination period during the PTG, which is > sub-optimal as the nominations cause a distraction from the PTG but more > so because the campaigning will coincide with travel home, and some > community members take vacation along with the PTG. > > So I'd like to bring up the idea of moving the election forward a > little so that it's actually the campaigning period that overlaps with > the PTG: > > TC Electionfrom 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-27T23:45 > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-06T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > TC Nominations from 2018-08-30T23:45 to 2018-09-06T23:45 > > This gives us longer campaigning and election periods. > > There are some advantages to doing this: > > * A panel style Q could be held formally or informally ;P > * There's improved scope for for incoming, outgoing and staying put TC >members to interact in a high bandwidth way. > * In personi/private discussions with TC candidates/members. > > However it isn't without downsides: > > * Election fatigue, We've just had the PTL elections and the UC > elections are currently running. Less break before the TC elections > may not be a good thing. > * TC candidates that can't travel to the PTG could be disadvantaged > * The campaigning would all happen at the PTG and not on the mailing > list disadvantaging community members not at the PTG. > > So thoughts? > > Yours Tony. > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html Who needs to make this decision? The current TC? Doug __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc][election] Timing of the Upcoming Stein TC election
Hello! On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM Tony Breeds wrote: > Hello all, > With the PTL elections behind us it's time to start looking at the > TC election. Our charter[1] says: > > The election is held no later than 6 weeks prior to each OpenStack > Summit (on or before ‘S-6’ week), with elections held open for no less > than four business days. > > Assuming we have the same structure that gives us a timeline of: > > Summit is at: 2018-11-13 > Latest possible completion is at: 2018-10-02 > Moving back to Tuesday: 2018-10-02 > TC Election from 2018-09-25T23:45 to 2018-10-02T23:45 > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-25T23:45 > TC Nominations from 2018-09-11T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > > This puts the bulk of the nomination period during the PTG, which is > sub-optimal as the nominations cause a distraction from the PTG but more > so because the campaigning will coincide with travel home, and some > community members take vacation along with the PTG. > > So I'd like to bring up the idea of moving the election forward a > little so that it's actually the campaigning period that overlaps with > the PTG: > > TC Electionfrom 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-27T23:45 > TC Campaigning from 2018-09-06T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 > TC Nominations from 2018-08-30T23:45 to 2018-09-06T23:45 > +2! > This gives us longer campaigning and election periods. > > There are some advantages to doing this: > > * A panel style Q could be held formally or informally ;P > * There's improved scope for for incoming, outgoing and staying put TC >members to interact in a high bandwidth way. > * In personi/private discussions with TC candidates/members. > > However it isn't without downsides: > > * Election fatigue, We've just had the PTL elections and the UC > elections are currently running. Less break before the TC elections > may not be a good thing. > Simultaneously, would be nice to get it done with. > * TC candidates that can't travel to the PTG could be disadvantaged > We also can and should post things on the ML for longer discussion as the 'debate' likely wouldn't be much longer than over lunch one day. > * The campaigning would all happen at the PTG and not on the mailing > list disadvantaging community members not at the PTG. > > So thoughts? > I think this is a good plan :) Ready to +2 the config change as soon as I see it. > > Yours Tony. > > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -Kendall (diablo_rojo) __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [all][tc][election] Timing of the Upcoming Stein TC election
Hello all, With the PTL elections behind us it's time to start looking at the TC election. Our charter[1] says: The election is held no later than 6 weeks prior to each OpenStack Summit (on or before ‘S-6’ week), with elections held open for no less than four business days. Assuming we have the same structure that gives us a timeline of: Summit is at: 2018-11-13 Latest possible completion is at: 2018-10-02 Moving back to Tuesday: 2018-10-02 TC Election from 2018-09-25T23:45 to 2018-10-02T23:45 TC Campaigning from 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-25T23:45 TC Nominations from 2018-09-11T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 This puts the bulk of the nomination period during the PTG, which is sub-optimal as the nominations cause a distraction from the PTG but more so because the campaigning will coincide with travel home, and some community members take vacation along with the PTG. So I'd like to bring up the idea of moving the election forward a little so that it's actually the campaigning period that overlaps with the PTG: TC Electionfrom 2018-09-18T23:45 to 2018-09-27T23:45 TC Campaigning from 2018-09-06T23:45 to 2018-09-18T23:45 TC Nominations from 2018-08-30T23:45 to 2018-09-06T23:45 This gives us longer campaigning and election periods. There are some advantages to doing this: * A panel style Q could be held formally or informally ;P * There's improved scope for for incoming, outgoing and staying put TC members to interact in a high bandwidth way. * In personi/private discussions with TC candidates/members. However it isn't without downsides: * Election fatigue, We've just had the PTL elections and the UC elections are currently running. Less break before the TC elections may not be a good thing. * TC candidates that can't travel to the PTG could be disadvantaged * The campaigning would all happen at the PTG and not on the mailing list disadvantaging community members not at the PTG. So thoughts? Yours Tony. [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
