Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 23:03, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Robert Collins wrote: > > There don't seem to be any topics defined for -discuss yet, I hope > > there will be, as I'm certainly not in a position of enough bandwidth > > to handle everything *stack related. > > > > I'd suggest one for each previously list, at minimum. > > As we are ultimately planning to move lists to mailman3 (which decided > to drop the "topics" concept altogether), I don't think we planned to > add serverside mailman topics to the new list. Ah, fair enough, I'll unsubscribe from the new list then; If folk need me, you know where to find me. -Rob __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
On 2018-11-10 11:02:15 +0100 (+0100), Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] > As we are ultimately planning to move lists to mailman3 (which decided > to drop the "topics" concept altogether), I don't think we planned to > add serverside mailman topics to the new list. Correct, that was covered in more detail in the longer original announcement linked from my past couple of reminders: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134911.html In short, we're recommending client-side filtering because server-side topic selection/management was not retained in Mailman 3 as Thierry indicates and we hope we might move our lists to an MM3 instance sometime in the not-too-distant future. > We'll still have standardized subject line topics. The current list > lives at: > > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/common-openstack-ml-topics Which is its initial location for crowd-sourcing/brainstorming, but will get published to a more durable location like on lists.openstack.org itself or perhaps the Project-Team Guide once the list is in use. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
Robert Collins wrote: > There don't seem to be any topics defined for -discuss yet, I hope > there will be, as I'm certainly not in a position of enough bandwidth > to handle everything *stack related. > > I'd suggest one for each previously list, at minimum. As we are ultimately planning to move lists to mailman3 (which decided to drop the "topics" concept altogether), I don't think we planned to add serverside mailman topics to the new list. We'll still have standardized subject line topics. The current list lives at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/common-openstack-ml-topics -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 07:15, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > REMINDER: The openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-sigs and > openstack-operators mailing lists (to which this is being sent) will > be replaced by a new openstack-disc...@lists.openstack.org mailing > list. The new list is open for subscriptions[0] now, but is not yet > accepting posts until Monday November 19 and it's strongly > recommended to subscribe before that date so as not to miss any > messages posted there. The old lists will be configured to no longer > accept posts starting on Monday December 3, but in the interim posts > to the old lists will also get copied to the new list so it's safe > to unsubscribe from them any time after the 19th and not miss any > messages. See my previous notice[1] for details. > > For those wondering, we have 207 subscribers so far on > openstack-discuss with a little over a week to go before it will be > put into use (and less than a month before the old lists are closed > down for good). There don't seem to be any topics defined for -discuss yet, I hope there will be, as I'm certainly not in a position of enough bandwidth to handle everything *stack related. I'd suggest one for each previously list, at minimum. -Rob __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
REMINDER: The openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-sigs and openstack-operators mailing lists (to which this is being sent) will be replaced by a new openstack-disc...@lists.openstack.org mailing list. The new list is open for subscriptions[0] now, but is not yet accepting posts until Monday November 19 and it's strongly recommended to subscribe before that date so as not to miss any messages posted there. The old lists will be configured to no longer accept posts starting on Monday December 3, but in the interim posts to the old lists will also get copied to the new list so it's safe to unsubscribe from them any time after the 19th and not miss any messages. See my previous notice[1] for details. For those wondering, we have 207 subscribers so far on openstack-discuss with a little over a week to go before it will be put into use (and less than a month before the old lists are closed down for good). [0] http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-discuss [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134911.html -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
On 2018-10-29 12:58:09 -0400 (-0400), Jay Pipes wrote: > I'm not willing to subscribe with a password over a non-TLS > connection... [...] Up to you, certainly. You don't actually need to enter anything in the password fields on the subscription page (as the instructions on it also indicate). You can alternatively subscribe by sending E-mail to openstack-discuss-requ...@lists.openstack.org with a subject line of "subscribe" if you prefer. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists!
I'm not willing to subscribe with a password over a non-TLS connection... -jay On 10/29/2018 12:53 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: REMINDER: The openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-sigs and openstack-operators mailing lists (to which this is being sent) will be replaced by a new openstack-disc...@lists.openstack.org mailing list. The new list is open for subscriptions[0] now, but is not yet accepting posts until Monday November 19 and it's strongly recommended to subscribe before that date so as not to miss any messages posted there. The old lists will be configured to no longer accept posts starting on Monday December 3, but in the interim posts to the old lists will also get copied to the new list so it's safe to unsubscribe from them any time after the 19th and not miss any messages. See my previous notice[1] for details. For those wondering, we have 127 subscribers so far on openstack-discuss with 3 weeks to go before it will be put into use (and 5 weeks now before the old lists are closed down for good). [0] http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-discuss [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134911.html __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists! (was: Bringing the community together...)
REMINDER: The openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-sigs and openstack-operators mailing lists (to which this is being sent) will be replaced by a new openstack-disc...@lists.openstack.org mailing list. The new list is open for subscriptions[0] now, but is not yet accepting posts until Monday November 19 and it's strongly recommended to subscribe before that date so as not to miss any messages posted there. The old lists will be configured to no longer accept posts starting on Monday December 3, but in the interim posts to the old lists will also get copied to the new list so it's safe to unsubscribe from them any time after the 19th and not miss any messages. See my previous notice[1] for details. For those wondering, we have 127 subscribers so far on openstack-discuss with 3 weeks to go before it will be put into use (and 5 weeks now before the old lists are closed down for good). [0] http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-discuss [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134911.html -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [all] We're combining the lists! (was: Bringing the community together...)
tl;dr: The openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-sigs and openstack-operators mailing lists (to which this is being sent) will be replaced by a new openstack-disc...@lists.openstack.org mailing list. The new list is open for subscriptions[0] now, but is not yet accepting posts until Monday November 19 and it's strongly recommended to subscribe before that date so as not to miss any messages posted there. The old lists will be configured to no longer accept posts starting on Monday December 3, but in the interim posts to the old lists will also get copied to the new list so it's safe to unsubscribe from them any time after the 19th and not miss any messages. Now on to the details... The original proposal[1] I cross-posted to these lists in August received overwhelmingly positive feedback (indeed only one strong objection[2] was posted, thanks Thomas for speaking up, and my apologies in advance if this makes things less convenient for you), which is unusual since our community usually tends to operate on silent assent and tacit agreement. Seeing what we can only interpret as majority consensus for the plan among the people reading messages posted to these lists, a group of interested individuals met last week in the Infrastructure team room at the PTG to work out the finer details[3]. We devised a phased timeline: During the first phase (which begins with this announcement) the new openstack-discuss mailing list will accept subscriptions but not posts. Its short and full descriptions indicate this, as does the welcome message sent to all new subscribers during this phase. The list is configured for "emergency moderation" mode so that all posts, even those from subscribers, immediately land in the moderation queue and can be rejected with an appropriate message. We strongly recommend everyone who is on any of the current general openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-operators and openstack-sigs lists subscribe to openstack-discuss during this phase in order to avoid missing any messages to the new list. Phase one lasts roughly one month and ends on Monday November 19, just after the OpenStack Stein Summit in Berlin. The second phase picks up at the end of the first. During this phase, emergency moderation is no longer in effect and subscribers can post to the list normally (non-subscribers are subject to moderation of course in order to limit spam). Any owners/moderators from the original lists who wish it will be added to the new one to collaborate on moderation tasks. At this time the openstack-discuss list address itself will be subscribed to posts from the openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-operators and openstack-sigs mailing lists so anyone who wishes to unsubscribe from those can do so at any time during this phase without missing any replies sent there. The list descriptions and welcome message will also be updated to their production prose. Phase two runs for two weeks ending on Monday December 3. The third and final phase begins at the end of the second, when further posts to the general openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-operators and openstack-sigs lists will be refused and the descriptions for those lists updated to indicate they're indefinitely retired from use. The old archives will still be preserved of course, but no new content will appear in them. A note about DMARC/DKIM: during the planning discussion we also spoke briefly about the problems we encounter on the current lists whereby subscriber MTAs which check DKIM signatures appearing in some posts reject them and cause those subscribers to get unsubscribed after too many of these bounces. While reviewing the various possible mitigation options available to us, we eventually resolved that the least objectionable solution was to cease modifying the list subject and body. As such, for the new openstack-discuss list you won't see [openstack-discuss] prepended to message subjects, and there will be no list footer block added to the message body. Rest assured the usual RFC 2369 List-* headers[4] will still be added so MUAs can continue to take filtering actions based on them as on our other lists. I'm also including a couple of FAQs which have come up over the course of this... Why make a new list instead of just directing people to join an existing one such as the openstack general ML? For one, the above list behavior change to address DMARC/DKIM issues is a good reason to want a new list; making those changes to any of the existing lists is already likely to be disruptive anyway as subscribers may be relying on the subject mangling for purposes of filtering list traffic. Also as noted earlier in the thread for the original proposal, we have many suspected defunct subscribers who are not bouncing (either due to abandoned mailboxes or MTAs black-holing them) so this is a good opportunity to clean up the subscriber list and reduce the overall amount of E-mail unnecessarily sent by the server. Why not simply auto-subscribe everyone from
