Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-08 Thread Ian Wells
Hey Gary,

Sorry for being a little late with the followup...

Concerns with binding type negotiation, or with the scripting?  And could
you summarise the concerns, for those of us that didn't hear them?
-- 
Ian,

On 2 June 2015 at 07:08, Gary Kotton  wrote:

>  Hi,
> At the summit this was discussed in the nova sessions and there were a
> number of concerns regarding security etc.
> Thanks
> Gary
>
>   From: Irena Berezovsky 
> Reply-To: OpenStack List 
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:44 PM
> To: OpenStack List 
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt
> / vif drivers
>
>   Hi Ian,
> I like your proposal. It sounds very reasonable and makes separation of
> concerns between neutron and nova very clear. I think with vif plug script
> support [1]. it will help to decouple neutron from nova dependency.
> Thank you for sharing this,
> Irena
> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162468/
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Ian Wells  wrote:
>
>>  VIF plugging, but not precisely libvirt VIF plugging, so I'll tout this
>> to a hopefully interested audience.
>>
>> At the summit, we wrote up a spec we were thinking of doing at [1].  It
>> actually proposes two things, which is a little naughty really, but hey.
>>
>> Firstly we propose that we turn binding into a negotiation, so that Nova
>> can offer binding options it supports to Neutron and Neutron can pick the
>> one it likes most.  This is necessary if you happen to use vhostuser with
>> qemu, as it doesn't work for some circumstances, and desirable all around,
>> since it means you no longer have to configure Neutron to choose a binding
>> type that Nova likes and Neutron can choose different binding types
>> depending on circumstances.  As a bonus, it should make inter-version
>> compatibility work better.
>>
>>  Secondly we suggest that some of the information that Nova and Neutron
>> currently calculate independently should instead be passed from Neutron to
>> Nova, simplifying the Nova code since it no longer has to take an educated
>> guess at things like TAP device names.  That one is more contentious, since
>> in theory Neutron could pass an evil value, but if we can find some pattern
>> that works (and 'pattern' might be literally true, in that you could get
>> Nova to confirm that the TAP name begins with a magic string and is not
>> going to be a physical device or other interface on the box) I think that
>> would simplify the code there.
>>
>>  Read, digest, see what you think.  I haven't put it forward yet
>> (actually I've lost track of which projects take specs at this point) but I
>> would very much like to get it implemented and it's not a drastic change
>> (in fact, it's a no-op until we change Neutron to respect what Nova passes).
>>
>> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-binding-spec
>>
>> On 1 June 2015 at 10:37, Neil Jerram  wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/06/15 17:45, Neil Jerram wrote:
>>>
>>>  Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work
>>>> that I'm aware of in this area, at
>>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK, my first draft of this is now there at [1].  Please could folk with
>>> VIF-related work pending check that I haven't missed or misrepresented
>>> them?  Especially, please could owners of the 'Infiniband SR-IOV' and
>>> 'mlnx_direct removal' changes confirm that those are really ready for core
>>> review?  It would be bad to ask for core review that wasn't in fact wanted.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work
>>>
>>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-02 Thread Gary Kotton
Hi,
At the summit this was discussed in the nova sessions and there were a number 
of concerns regarding security etc.
Thanks
Gary

From: Irena Berezovsky mailto:irenab@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: OpenStack List 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:44 PM
To: OpenStack List 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif 
drivers

Hi Ian,
I like your proposal. It sounds very reasonable and makes separation of 
concerns between neutron and nova very clear. I think with vif plug script 
support [1]. it will help to decouple neutron from nova dependency.
Thank you for sharing this,
Irena
[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162468/

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Ian Wells 
mailto:ijw.ubu...@cack.org.uk>> wrote:
VIF plugging, but not precisely libvirt VIF plugging, so I'll tout this to a 
hopefully interested audience.

At the summit, we wrote up a spec we were thinking of doing at [1].  It 
actually proposes two things, which is a little naughty really, but hey.

Firstly we propose that we turn binding into a negotiation, so that Nova can 
offer binding options it supports to Neutron and Neutron can pick the one it 
likes most.  This is necessary if you happen to use vhostuser with qemu, as it 
doesn't work for some circumstances, and desirable all around, since it means 
you no longer have to configure Neutron to choose a binding type that Nova 
likes and Neutron can choose different binding types depending on 
circumstances.  As a bonus, it should make inter-version compatibility work 
better.

Secondly we suggest that some of the information that Nova and Neutron 
currently calculate independently should instead be passed from Neutron to 
Nova, simplifying the Nova code since it no longer has to take an educated 
guess at things like TAP device names.  That one is more contentious, since in 
theory Neutron could pass an evil value, but if we can find some pattern that 
works (and 'pattern' might be literally true, in that you could get Nova to 
confirm that the TAP name begins with a magic string and is not going to be a 
physical device or other interface on the box) I think that would simplify the 
code there.

Read, digest, see what you think.  I haven't put it forward yet (actually I've 
lost track of which projects take specs at this point) but I would very much 
like to get it implemented and it's not a drastic change (in fact, it's a no-op 
until we change Neutron to respect what Nova passes).

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-binding-spec

On 1 June 2015 at 10:37, Neil Jerram 
mailto:neil.jer...@metaswitch.com>> wrote:
On 01/06/15 17:45, Neil Jerram wrote:

Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work
that I'm aware of in this area, at
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.

OK, my first draft of this is now there at [1].  Please could folk with 
VIF-related work pending check that I haven't missed or misrepresented them?  
Especially, please could owners of the 'Infiniband SR-IOV' and 'mlnx_direct 
removal' changes confirm that those are really ready for core review?  It would 
be bad to ask for core review that wasn't in fact wanted.

Thanks,
Neil


[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work


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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-02 Thread Irena Berezovsky
Hi Ian,
I like your proposal. It sounds very reasonable and makes separation of
concerns between neutron and nova very clear. I think with vif plug script
support [1]. it will help to decouple neutron from nova dependency.
Thank you for sharing this,
Irena
[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162468/

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Ian Wells  wrote:

> VIF plugging, but not precisely libvirt VIF plugging, so I'll tout this to
> a hopefully interested audience.
>
> At the summit, we wrote up a spec we were thinking of doing at [1].  It
> actually proposes two things, which is a little naughty really, but hey.
>
> Firstly we propose that we turn binding into a negotiation, so that Nova
> can offer binding options it supports to Neutron and Neutron can pick the
> one it likes most.  This is necessary if you happen to use vhostuser with
> qemu, as it doesn't work for some circumstances, and desirable all around,
> since it means you no longer have to configure Neutron to choose a binding
> type that Nova likes and Neutron can choose different binding types
> depending on circumstances.  As a bonus, it should make inter-version
> compatibility work better.
>
> Secondly we suggest that some of the information that Nova and Neutron
> currently calculate independently should instead be passed from Neutron to
> Nova, simplifying the Nova code since it no longer has to take an educated
> guess at things like TAP device names.  That one is more contentious, since
> in theory Neutron could pass an evil value, but if we can find some pattern
> that works (and 'pattern' might be literally true, in that you could get
> Nova to confirm that the TAP name begins with a magic string and is not
> going to be a physical device or other interface on the box) I think that
> would simplify the code there.
>
> Read, digest, see what you think.  I haven't put it forward yet (actually
> I've lost track of which projects take specs at this point) but I would
> very much like to get it implemented and it's not a drastic change (in
> fact, it's a no-op until we change Neutron to respect what Nova passes).
>
> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-binding-spec
>
> On 1 June 2015 at 10:37, Neil Jerram  wrote:
>
>> On 01/06/15 17:45, Neil Jerram wrote:
>>
>>  Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work
>>> that I'm aware of in this area, at
>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.
>>>
>>
>> OK, my first draft of this is now there at [1].  Please could folk with
>> VIF-related work pending check that I haven't missed or misrepresented
>> them?  Especially, please could owners of the 'Infiniband SR-IOV' and
>> 'mlnx_direct removal' changes confirm that those are really ready for core
>> review?  It would be bad to ask for core review that wasn't in fact wanted.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-02 Thread Ian Wells
VIF plugging, but not precisely libvirt VIF plugging, so I'll tout this to
a hopefully interested audience.

At the summit, we wrote up a spec we were thinking of doing at [1].  It
actually proposes two things, which is a little naughty really, but hey.

Firstly we propose that we turn binding into a negotiation, so that Nova
can offer binding options it supports to Neutron and Neutron can pick the
one it likes most.  This is necessary if you happen to use vhostuser with
qemu, as it doesn't work for some circumstances, and desirable all around,
since it means you no longer have to configure Neutron to choose a binding
type that Nova likes and Neutron can choose different binding types
depending on circumstances.  As a bonus, it should make inter-version
compatibility work better.

Secondly we suggest that some of the information that Nova and Neutron
currently calculate independently should instead be passed from Neutron to
Nova, simplifying the Nova code since it no longer has to take an educated
guess at things like TAP device names.  That one is more contentious, since
in theory Neutron could pass an evil value, but if we can find some pattern
that works (and 'pattern' might be literally true, in that you could get
Nova to confirm that the TAP name begins with a magic string and is not
going to be a physical device or other interface on the box) I think that
would simplify the code there.

Read, digest, see what you think.  I haven't put it forward yet (actually
I've lost track of which projects take specs at this point) but I would
very much like to get it implemented and it's not a drastic change (in
fact, it's a no-op until we change Neutron to respect what Nova passes).

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-binding-spec

On 1 June 2015 at 10:37, Neil Jerram  wrote:

> On 01/06/15 17:45, Neil Jerram wrote:
>
>  Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work
>> that I'm aware of in this area, at
>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.
>>
>
> OK, my first draft of this is now there at [1].  Please could folk with
> VIF-related work pending check that I haven't missed or misrepresented
> them?  Especially, please could owners of the 'Infiniband SR-IOV' and
> 'mlnx_direct removal' changes confirm that those are really ready for core
> review?  It would be bad to ask for core review that wasn't in fact wanted.
>
> Thanks,
> Neil
>
>
> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-01 Thread Moshe Levi
Hi Neil,

First of all thank for organizing this.

Both  Infiniband SR-IOV VIF type and Removal of mlnx_direct VIF type are ready 
for core review.



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On 01/06/15 17:45, Neil Jerram wrote:

> Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work 
> that I'm aware of in this area, at 
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.

OK, my first draft of this is now there at [1].  Please could folk with 
VIF-related work pending check that I haven't missed or misrepresented them?  
Especially, please could owners of the 'Infiniband SR-IOV' and 'mlnx_direct 
removal' changes confirm that those are really ready for core review?  It would 
be bad to ask for core review that wasn't in fact wanted.

Thanks,
Neil


[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work

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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-01 Thread Neil Jerram

On 01/06/15 17:45, Neil Jerram wrote:


Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work
that I'm aware of in this area, at
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.


OK, my first draft of this is now there at [1].  Please could folk with 
VIF-related work pending check that I haven't missed or misrepresented 
them?  Especially, please could owners of the 'Infiniband SR-IOV' and 
'mlnx_direct removal' changes confirm that those are really ready for 
core review?  It would be bad to ask for core review that wasn't in fact 
wanted.


Thanks,
Neil


[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work

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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-01 Thread Neil Jerram

On 01/06/15 14:23, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 09:44:24AM +0100, John Garbutt wrote:

On 29 May 2015 at 18:32, Neil Jerram  wrote:

Hi all,

Per yesterday's IRC meeting [1], and discussion in Vancouver, Nova work is
being somewhat driven by the etherpad at [2].  But this etherpad doesn't
have a section for libvirt / vif driver changes.  The log at [1] briefly
touched on this, but moved on after noting that Dan PB had disbanded a
libvirt subteam for lack of interest.


Apologies, I am not nearly half way through writing up all that came
out of the summit. A few nasty bugs in production kept me occupied
last week, but I have got out of that now / fixed them, I hope.

In the design summit session we said any group of people can
self-organise and start proposing patches as "ready to merge" by that
sub team, in here:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking

We agreed that if there were too many sub teams, we would ask the
teams to join together. And I hope some subteams find each other on
that etherpad, and organically decide its best to join forces.

While we have established patterns of successful sub team
collaborations (IRC meetings, bug tags, etc), feel free to do whatever
works, assuming its aligned with the Open nature of our community
(i.e. I expect code reviews to be done in gerrit, not using some
internal communication channel. Even if you review face to face, I
would appreciate you writing up the outcome in gerrit).


So, what should folk interested in libvirt / vif work (including me) now do?
I think the answer is that we should self-organize, then report to the next
IRC on how we've done that, and I'm happy to lead that if no one else wants
to - but is there someone else who should or wants to own this?


In summary, yes please, sounds good.

I would reach out to Dan, and the other folks who were active in those
meetings, to see how it best makes sense to collaborate. Let me know
if I can help connect you folks, but IRC usually works.


I'm mostly just lurking on IRC but keep an eye out on this mailing list
for anything tagged with [nova]. So if there's any times my input is
needed I should catch the mails as long as they're on the list.


Many thanks, John & Dan.  I'll start by drafting a summary of the work 
that I'm aware of in this area, at 
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-libvirt-vif-work.


Thanks,
Neil


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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-01 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 09:44:24AM +0100, John Garbutt wrote:
> On 29 May 2015 at 18:32, Neil Jerram  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Per yesterday's IRC meeting [1], and discussion in Vancouver, Nova work is
> > being somewhat driven by the etherpad at [2].  But this etherpad doesn't
> > have a section for libvirt / vif driver changes.  The log at [1] briefly
> > touched on this, but moved on after noting that Dan PB had disbanded a
> > libvirt subteam for lack of interest.
> 
> Apologies, I am not nearly half way through writing up all that came
> out of the summit. A few nasty bugs in production kept me occupied
> last week, but I have got out of that now / fixed them, I hope.
> 
> In the design summit session we said any group of people can
> self-organise and start proposing patches as "ready to merge" by that
> sub team, in here:
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking
> 
> We agreed that if there were too many sub teams, we would ask the
> teams to join together. And I hope some subteams find each other on
> that etherpad, and organically decide its best to join forces.
> 
> While we have established patterns of successful sub team
> collaborations (IRC meetings, bug tags, etc), feel free to do whatever
> works, assuming its aligned with the Open nature of our community
> (i.e. I expect code reviews to be done in gerrit, not using some
> internal communication channel. Even if you review face to face, I
> would appreciate you writing up the outcome in gerrit).
> 
> > So, what should folk interested in libvirt / vif work (including me) now do?
> > I think the answer is that we should self-organize, then report to the next
> > IRC on how we've done that, and I'm happy to lead that if no one else wants
> > to - but is there someone else who should or wants to own this?
> 
> In summary, yes please, sounds good.
> 
> I would reach out to Dan, and the other folks who were active in those
> meetings, to see how it best makes sense to collaborate. Let me know
> if I can help connect you folks, but IRC usually works.

I'm mostly just lurking on IRC but keep an eye out on this mailing list
for anything tagged with [nova]. So if there's any times my input is
needed I should catch the mails as long as they're on the list.

Regards,
Daniel
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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-01 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 06:32:18PM +0100, Neil Jerram wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Per yesterday's IRC meeting [1], and discussion in Vancouver, Nova work is
> being somewhat driven by the etherpad at [2].  But this etherpad doesn't
> have a section for libvirt / vif driver changes.  The log at [1] briefly
> touched on this, but moved on after noting that Dan PB had disbanded a
> libvirt subteam for lack of interest.
> 
> So, what should folk interested in libvirt / vif work (including me) now do?
> I think the answer is that we should self-organize, then report to the next
> IRC on how we've done that, and I'm happy to lead that if no one else wants
> to - but is there someone else who should or wants to own this?

I'm of a mindset that aims to avoid creating rules & bureaucracy, so don't
feel you need to get permission to form a special interest group to work on
the libvirt VIF drivers. Any group of interested devs should just collaborate
and divide work up between themselves. I just strongly suggest that you
work to keep any design / technical discussions in public forums. ie have
your email discussions on this openstack-dev mailing list or #nova IRC, and
not in private CC'd email threads between the special interest team. This
ensures that anyone with interest can watch what's going on, without having
to formally join any team.

Regards,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-06-01 Thread John Garbutt
On 29 May 2015 at 18:32, Neil Jerram  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Per yesterday's IRC meeting [1], and discussion in Vancouver, Nova work is
> being somewhat driven by the etherpad at [2].  But this etherpad doesn't
> have a section for libvirt / vif driver changes.  The log at [1] briefly
> touched on this, but moved on after noting that Dan PB had disbanded a
> libvirt subteam for lack of interest.

Apologies, I am not nearly half way through writing up all that came
out of the summit. A few nasty bugs in production kept me occupied
last week, but I have got out of that now / fixed them, I hope.

In the design summit session we said any group of people can
self-organise and start proposing patches as "ready to merge" by that
sub team, in here:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking

We agreed that if there were too many sub teams, we would ask the
teams to join together. And I hope some subteams find each other on
that etherpad, and organically decide its best to join forces.

While we have established patterns of successful sub team
collaborations (IRC meetings, bug tags, etc), feel free to do whatever
works, assuming its aligned with the Open nature of our community
(i.e. I expect code reviews to be done in gerrit, not using some
internal communication channel. Even if you review face to face, I
would appreciate you writing up the outcome in gerrit).

> So, what should folk interested in libvirt / vif work (including me) now do?
> I think the answer is that we should self-organize, then report to the next
> IRC on how we've done that, and I'm happy to lead that if no one else wants
> to - but is there someone else who should or wants to own this?

In summary, yes please, sounds good.

I would reach out to Dan, and the other folks who were active in those
meetings, to see how it best makes sense to collaborate. Let me know
if I can help connect you folks, but IRC usually works.

Thanks,
John

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[openstack-dev] [nova] Progressing/tracking work on libvirt / vif drivers

2015-05-29 Thread Neil Jerram

Hi all,

Per yesterday's IRC meeting [1], and discussion in Vancouver, Nova work 
is being somewhat driven by the etherpad at [2].  But this etherpad 
doesn't have a section for libvirt / vif driver changes.  The log at [1] 
briefly touched on this, but moved on after noting that Dan PB had 
disbanded a libvirt subteam for lack of interest.


So, what should folk interested in libvirt / vif work (including me) now 
do?  I think the answer is that we should self-organize, then report to 
the next IRC on how we've done that, and I'm happy to lead that if no 
one else wants to - but is there someone else who should or wants to own 
this?


Thanks,
Neil


[1] 
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-05-28-14.02.log.html

[2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking

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