Re: [openstack-dev] Ironic Status Updates

[Doug Hellmann]

Excerpts from Ilya Etingof's message of 2018-05-10 15:48:34 +0200:
> On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Julia Kreger wrote:
> > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Doug Hellmann  wrote:
> > 
> >> As a consumer of team updates from outside of the team, I do find
> >> them valuable.
> > 
> > Ditto, if I have time to read them.
> > 
> > 
> >> I think having a regular email update like that is a good communication
> >> pattern we've started to establish with several teams, and I'm going
> >> to ask the TC to help find ways to make those updates more visible
> >> for folks who want to stay informed but can't spend the time it
> >> takes to read all of the messages on the mailing list (blogs, RSS,
> >> twitter, etc.).
> >>
> >> So, I hope the Ironic team can find a volunteer (or several to share
> >> the work?) to step in and continue with summaries in some form.
> >>
> > 
> > I suspect finding a replacement is going to be a little hard for anything 
> > that
> > is more than a ten to fifteen minute commitment per week. Perhaps if there 
> > was
> > some sort of unified way that might make things easier and we could then
> > all coalesce in terms of update format, amount of pertinent information
> > versus noise.
> 
> The status updates we used to have [1] were essentially weekly snapshots
> of the Ironic Whiteboard [2]. That probably explains why they are 1)
> somewhat large/noisy and 2) changing only partially. My mental diff
> capabilities now risk declining. ;-)
> 
> While we still have the whiteboard [2], does it make sense to duplicate
> it in e-mail [1]?
> 
> Would it work better if we'd:
> 
> * Report just progress/changes in the e-mail, not the whole whiteboard
> (which is still one click away)
> 
> and/or
> 
> * Report essential discussions/resolutions occurred at the weekly IRC
> meeting
> 
> WDYT?

Both of those things seem like they would be valuable. If we view these
summaries as a way to help people find and understand the important
discussions, actually writing them should become a bit easier.

Doug

> 
> I can probably do something about those status reports if people find
> them useful in one form or the other.
> 
> 
> 1. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130257.html
> 2. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
> 
> > 
> > I'm totally on-board for something easy, I'm also just not sure email has
> > the same impact as it once did. Anyway, things to discuss in the hallway 
> > track
> > at the summit. :)
> > 
> 

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Re: [openstack-dev] Ironic Status Updates

[Doug Hellmann]

Excerpts from Julia Kreger's message of 2018-05-10 09:01:42 -0400:
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Doug Hellmann  wrote:
> 
> > As a consumer of team updates from outside of the team, I do find
> > them valuable.
> 
> Ditto, if I have time to read them.
> 
> > I think having a regular email update like that is a good communication
> > pattern we've started to establish with several teams, and I'm going
> > to ask the TC to help find ways to make those updates more visible
> > for folks who want to stay informed but can't spend the time it
> > takes to read all of the messages on the mailing list (blogs, RSS,
> > twitter, etc.).
> >
> > So, I hope the Ironic team can find a volunteer (or several to share
> > the work?) to step in and continue with summaries in some form.
> >
> 
> I suspect finding a replacement is going to be a little hard for anything that
> is more than a ten to fifteen minute commitment per week. Perhaps if there was
> some sort of unified way that might make things easier and we could then
> all coalesce in terms of update format, amount of pertinent information
> versus noise.
> 
> I'm totally on-board for something easy, I'm also just not sure email has
> the same impact as it once did. Anyway, things to discuss in the hallway track
> at the summit. :)
> 

Changing the primary outlet for status updates to some other medium
increases the friction for writing them a slight bit, but it makes
following up with questions or more detail significantly harder,
since the person doing the follow up may not have access to post
on the blog or other outlet.  So, I have been trying to get people
to standardize on the mailing list as the main form of communication,
and then use other forms for highlighting important threads for
folks who can't read the whole list (even I don't really do that
any more).

I have some ideas about how to highlight threads outside of the
mailing list using a blog and twitter that need more time to bake
before I have something ready to experiment with. Maybe we can talk
about it in Vancouver, if this is an area that interests you?

Doug

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Re: [openstack-dev] Ironic Status Updates

[Ilya Etingof]

On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Julia Kreger wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Doug Hellmann  wrote:
> 
>> As a consumer of team updates from outside of the team, I do find
>> them valuable.
> 
> Ditto, if I have time to read them.
> 
> 
>> I think having a regular email update like that is a good communication
>> pattern we've started to establish with several teams, and I'm going
>> to ask the TC to help find ways to make those updates more visible
>> for folks who want to stay informed but can't spend the time it
>> takes to read all of the messages on the mailing list (blogs, RSS,
>> twitter, etc.).
>>
>> So, I hope the Ironic team can find a volunteer (or several to share
>> the work?) to step in and continue with summaries in some form.
>>
> 
> I suspect finding a replacement is going to be a little hard for anything that
> is more than a ten to fifteen minute commitment per week. Perhaps if there was
> some sort of unified way that might make things easier and we could then
> all coalesce in terms of update format, amount of pertinent information
> versus noise.

The status updates we used to have [1] were essentially weekly snapshots
of the Ironic Whiteboard [2]. That probably explains why they are 1)
somewhat large/noisy and 2) changing only partially. My mental diff
capabilities now risk declining. ;-)

While we still have the whiteboard [2], does it make sense to duplicate
it in e-mail [1]?

Would it work better if we'd:

* Report just progress/changes in the e-mail, not the whole whiteboard
(which is still one click away)

and/or

* Report essential discussions/resolutions occurred at the weekly IRC
meeting

WDYT?

I can probably do something about those status reports if people find
them useful in one form or the other.


1. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130257.html
2. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard


> 
> I'm totally on-board for something easy, I'm also just not sure email has
> the same impact as it once did. Anyway, things to discuss in the hallway track
> at the summit. :)
> 

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Re: [openstack-dev] Ironic Status Updates

[Julia Kreger]

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Doug Hellmann  wrote:

> As a consumer of team updates from outside of the team, I do find
> them valuable.

Ditto, if I have time to read them.


> I think having a regular email update like that is a good communication
> pattern we've started to establish with several teams, and I'm going
> to ask the TC to help find ways to make those updates more visible
> for folks who want to stay informed but can't spend the time it
> takes to read all of the messages on the mailing list (blogs, RSS,
> twitter, etc.).
>
> So, I hope the Ironic team can find a volunteer (or several to share
> the work?) to step in and continue with summaries in some form.
>

I suspect finding a replacement is going to be a little hard for anything that
is more than a ten to fifteen minute commitment per week. Perhaps if there was
some sort of unified way that might make things easier and we could then
all coalesce in terms of update format, amount of pertinent information
versus noise.

I'm totally on-board for something easy, I'm also just not sure email has
the same impact as it once did. Anyway, things to discuss in the hallway track
at the summit. :)

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Re: [openstack-dev] Ironic Status Updates

[Doug Hellmann]

Excerpts from Julia Kreger's message of 2018-05-07 13:53:13 -0400:
> Greetings everyone,
> 
> For some time, Rama Yeleswarapu (rama_y) has been graciously sending
> out a weekly update for Ironic to the mailing list. We found out late
> last week that this contributor would be unable to continue to do so.
> While discussing this and searching for a volunteer, we came up with
> two important questions that we determined should have some answers.
> 
> The first being. Is anyone finding a weekly email useful for Ironic?
> 
> The second being: If it is useful, would there be an alternative
> format that may be even more useful? Largely it is presently a
> copy/paste of our general purpose whiteboard. Perhaps a stream of
> consciousness or commentary to convey the delta from week to week?
> 
> -Julia
> 

As a consumer of team updates from outside of the team, I do find
them valuable.

I think having a regular email update like that is a good communication
pattern we've started to establish with several teams, and I'm going
to ask the TC to help find ways to make those updates more visible
for folks who want to stay informed but can't spend the time it
takes to read all of the messages on the mailing list (blogs, RSS,
twitter, etc.).

So, I hope the Ironic team can find a volunteer (or several to share
the work?) to step in and continue with summaries in some form.

Doug

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[openstack-dev] Ironic Status Updates

[Julia Kreger]

Greetings everyone,

For some time, Rama Yeleswarapu (rama_y) has been graciously sending
out a weekly update for Ironic to the mailing list. We found out late
last week that this contributor would be unable to continue to do so.
While discussing this and searching for a volunteer, we came up with
two important questions that we determined should have some answers.

The first being. Is anyone finding a weekly email useful for Ironic?

The second being: If it is useful, would there be an alternative
format that may be even more useful? Largely it is presently a
copy/paste of our general purpose whiteboard. Perhaps a stream of
consciousness or commentary to convey the delta from week to week?

-Julia

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