Re: [openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[milanisko k]

It doesn't have to be a star picture; maybe more of a star theme. Helium as
simple example
https://www.phy.anl.gov/mep/atta/images/he4_he6_he8_figure.jpg or the Alpha
particle
http://www.ionactive.co.uk/glossaryimages/002AlphaParticle_200by200.jpg or
just the Alpha symbol
http://natickhighwebdesign.com/tyler/images/alphasymbol.jpg  might work as
well.
I bet there will be plenty ideas to select from at the end of the day.

Cheers,
milan

st 10. 8. 2016 v 17:50 odesílatel Sean Dague  napsal:

> On 08/10/2016 11:36 AM, Sean Dague wrote:
> > On 08/09/2016 07:30 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:
> >> TL;DR: If you don’t want a mascot, you don’t have to. But Nova, you’ll
> >> be missed. :-)
> >>
> >> A few notes following up on Matt Riedemann, Clint Byrum, Daniel
> >> Berrange’s conversation regarding the Nova mascot…
> >>
> >> Nova doesn’t have to have a mascot if the majority of the team doesn’t
> >> want one. I’m not sure if the Nova community took a vote or if it was
> >> more of an informal discussion. We have 53 projects with confirmed
> >> logos, and we’re planning some great swag associated with the new
> >> project mascots. (I’m surprised the Nova team didn’t immediately request
> >> a star nova as their mascot. I’ll give you three guesses what Swift
> >> picked...)
> >
> > Ok, we've been having a bit of a nova core private email thread just to
> > figure out where everyone stood.
> >
>
> "Milestone 3 is a really hard time to have new requests pop up, for
> anything really, because right now the whole team is pretty heads down
> trying to only *disappoint* no more than 50% of people that are trying
> to land
> features during the cycle that won't make it."
>
> -Sean
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[Sean Dague]

On 08/10/2016 11:36 AM, Sean Dague wrote:
> On 08/09/2016 07:30 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:
>> TL;DR: If you don’t want a mascot, you don’t have to. But Nova, you’ll
>> be missed. :-)
>>
>> A few notes following up on Matt Riedemann, Clint Byrum, Daniel
>> Berrange’s conversation regarding the Nova mascot…
>>
>> Nova doesn’t have to have a mascot if the majority of the team doesn’t
>> want one. I’m not sure if the Nova community took a vote or if it was
>> more of an informal discussion. We have 53 projects with confirmed
>> logos, and we’re planning some great swag associated with the new
>> project mascots. (I’m surprised the Nova team didn’t immediately request
>> a star nova as their mascot. I’ll give you three guesses what Swift
>> picked...)
> 
> Ok, we've been having a bit of a nova core private email thread just to
> figure out where everyone stood.
> 

"Milestone 3 is a really hard time to have new requests pop up, for
anything really, because right now the whole team is pretty heads down
trying to only *disappoint* no more than 50% of people that are trying
to land
features during the cycle that won't make it."

-Sean

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Re: [openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[Sean Dague]

On 08/09/2016 07:30 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:
> TL;DR: If you don’t want a mascot, you don’t have to. But Nova, you’ll
> be missed. :-)
> 
> A few notes following up on Matt Riedemann, Clint Byrum, Daniel
> Berrange’s conversation regarding the Nova mascot…
> 
> Nova doesn’t have to have a mascot if the majority of the team doesn’t
> want one. I’m not sure if the Nova community took a vote or if it was
> more of an informal discussion. We have 53 projects with confirmed
> logos, and we’re planning some great swag associated with the new
> project mascots. (I’m surprised the Nova team didn’t immediately request
> a star nova as their mascot. I’ll give you three guesses what Swift
> picked...)

Ok, we've been having a bit of a nova core private email thread just to
figure out where everyone stood.

Milestone 3 is a really hard time to have new requests pop up, for
anything really, because right now the whole team is pretty heads down
trying to only no more than 50% of people that are trying to land
features during the cycle that won't make it.

To summarize the sentiment, I think there are many folks that aren't
enthusiastic about mascots. However there are also some that would like
to move forward with something, and not have Nova represented by a
broken image link.

I think given what's been on the public lists, and some of this back
channel, marking Nova down for "star / supernova" would be fine. I
imagine the creative folks working on logos can come up with something
cool around that.

-Sean

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Re: [openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[Sean Dague]

On 08/10/2016 11:19 AM, Szankin, Maciej wrote:
> While supernova looks super cool on photographs, I frankly have no idea
> how this could look like a logo. You know, the cartoonish style. Tried
> to google for examples, but they do look terrible…

That's why you have graphics designers try a thing.

-Sean

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Re: [openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[Szankin, Maciej]

While supernova looks super cool on photographs, I frankly have no idea how 
this could look like a logo. You know, the cartoonish style. Tried to google 
for examples, but they do look terrible…

From: Bob Ball [mailto:bob.b...@citrix.com]
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> TL;DR: If you don’t want a mascot, you don’t have to. But Nova, you’ll be 
> missed. :-)

It also seems from http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots that the majority 
of OpenStack projects have selected a mascot.  I think it would be a great 
shame if the Nova project didn’t have an easily recognisable image within this 
branding effort while the majority of projects we interact with do have them.  
I think there are a number of cases where the lack of a mascot for such a 
prominent project would be very noticeable, particularly when the other “big” 
projects have one.

Unfortunately, the Vauxhall Nova and Marvel’s Nova are not permitted in the 
rules, so rather than the default being “no logo”  I’d personally just go with 
a supernova[1][2] as it wouldn’t need explanations or deep discussions as to 
whether a field mouse is a better choice than an African sand dog…

Bob

[1] http://www.supernovae.net/images/illustration.jpg
[2] 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Artist's_impression_of_supernova_1993J.jpg

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Re: [openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[Bob Ball]

> TL;DR: If you don’t want a mascot, you don’t have to. But Nova, you’ll be 
> missed. :-)

It also seems from http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots that the majority 
of OpenStack projects have selected a mascot.  I think it would be a great 
shame if the Nova project didn’t have an easily recognisable image within this 
branding effort while the majority of projects we interact with do have them.  
I think there are a number of cases where the lack of a mascot for such a 
prominent project would be very noticeable, particularly when the other “big” 
projects have one.

Unfortunately, the Vauxhall Nova and Marvel’s Nova are not permitted in the 
rules, so rather than the default being “no logo”  I’d personally just go with 
a supernova[1][2] as it wouldn’t need explanations or deep discussions as to 
whether a field mouse is a better choice than an African sand dog…

Bob

[1] http://www.supernovae.net/images/illustration.jpg
[2] 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Artist's_impression_of_supernova_1993J.jpg

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[openstack-dev] Nova mascot

[Heidi Joy Tretheway]

TL;DR: If you don’t want a mascot, you don’t have to. But Nova, you’ll be 
missed. :-)

A few notes following up on Matt Riedemann, Clint Byrum, Daniel Berrange’s 
conversation regarding the Nova mascot…

Nova doesn’t have to have a mascot if the majority of the team doesn’t want 
one. I’m not sure if the Nova community took a vote or if it was more of an 
informal discussion. We have 53 projects with confirmed logos, and we’re 
planning some great swag associated with the new project mascots. (I’m 
surprised the Nova team didn’t immediately request a star nova as their mascot. 
I’ll give you three guesses what Swift picked...)

I’m not a fan of mandatory fun in any organization. Our intent was to give 
projects design resources and create a logo family. This particularly benefits 
smaller and lesser-known projects (many PTLs were thankful for design 
resources) and is something visual for promoting a project on the website, 
Summit, etc.

Daniel wrote, "It also ends up creating new problems that we then have to spend 
time on for no obviously clear benefit. eg we're ging to have to collect list 
of proposed mascots, check them with legal to make sure they don't clash with 
mascots used by other software companies with squadrons of attack lawyers, then 
arrange voting on them. Even after all that we'll probably find out later that 
in some culture the mascot we've chosen has negative connotations associated 
with it. All this will do nothing to improve life for people who actually 
deploy and use nova, so its all rather a waste of time IMHO.”

HJ: The process we laid out at openstack.org/project-mascots 
 doesn’t involve lawyers at all (it’s 
just me, Todd Morey, and some friendly illustrators). We asked projects for a 
list of candidates mainly in case two projects wanted the same animal (in some 
cases, we flipped a coin; in others, one or both projects changed their 
candidate). Most projects quickly collaborated & decided with an etherpad or a 
Condorcet poll. The parameters on mascots (no humans, human-made objects, or 
proper nouns) helped avoid cultural conflicts. We felt “nature” as a category 
is global, neutral, and relatable.

Will giving projects a logo improve life for people who actually deploy and use 
Nova? Maybe not next month. But the purpose of our project overall is give 
projects greater visibility in the community and a stronger identity, which can 
in turn attract more development talent and support a cohesive team…and teams 
ultimately make life better for people who deploy and use Nova. 

I’m here at OpenStack Days Silicon Valley today and just spent an hour talking 
with someone about a certain brand in our community that gets a lot of 
attention—people want that sticker on their laptops. I’m doing my best to make 
your project’s logo worthy of a place on your laptop!


Cheers,
Heidi Joy

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