Re: [openstack-dev] request for testing new cloud foundation layer on bare metal
Very quick note it turns out our mailing lists archives where private I have no marked them as public. If the links didn't work for you in the last 24 hrs try again. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > We apologize for the unclearness of our wording both here and on > our site (http://www.petitecloud.org). Over the next few weeks we will > work on improving our descriptions of various aspects of what PetiteCloud > is and what it is not. We will also add a set of tutorials showing what a > cloud foundation layer (CFL) is and how it can make OpenStack more stable > and robust in non-data-center environments. In the meantime, hopefully my > answers below will help with some immediate clarification. > > For general answers as to what a CFL is, see our 25 words or less > answer on our site (http://petitecloud.org/cloudFoundation.jsp) or see > the draft notes for a forthcoming white paper on the topic ( > http://lists.petitecloud.nyclocal.net/private.cgi/petitecloud-general-petitecloud.nyclocal.net/attachments/20140213/3fee4df0/attachment-0001.pdf). > OpenStack does not currently have a cloud foundation layer of its own > (creating one might be a good sub-project for OpenStack). > > Your specfic questions are answered inline: > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Robert Collins < > robe...@robertcollins.net> wrote: > >> I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I've been seeing your emails come >> in, and I've read your website, and I still have 0% clue about what >> PetiteCloud is. >> >> On 12 February 2014 21:56, Aryeh Friedman >> wrote: >> > PetiteCloud is a 100% Free Open Source and Open Knowledge bare metal >> capable >> > Cloud Foundation Layer for Unix-like operating systems. It has the >> following >> > features: >> >> What is a Cloud Foundation Layer? Whats the relevance of OK here (I >> presume you mean http://okfn.org/ ?). >> > > > We have no connection with the above site. Personally we agree with its > goals, but our use of the term "Open Knowledge" is different and pertains > only to technical knowledge. See our web site for details on what we mean > by that term. http://petitecloud.org/fosok.jsp > > >> >> > * Support for bhyve (FreeBSD only) and QEMU >> > * Any x86 OS as a guest (FreeBSD and Linux via bhyve or QEMU; all >> others >> > via QEMU only) and all supported software (including running OpenStack >> on >> > VM's) >> > * Install, import, start, stop and reboot instances safely (guest OS >> > needs to be controlled independently) >> > * Clone, backup/export, delete stopped instances 100% safely >> >> So far it sounds like a hypervisor management layer - which is what Nova >> is. >> > > Nova is for running end user instances. PetiteCloud is designed (see > below) to run instances that OpenStack can run on and then partition into > end-user instances. > > >> >> > * Keep track of all your instances on one screen >> >> I think you'll need a very big screen eventually :) >> > Not a huge one. A CFL needs to run only a relatively small number of > instances itself. Remember that a cloud foundation layer's instances can be > used as hosts (a.k.a. nodes) for a full-fledged IAAS platform such as > OpenStack. Thus, for example, a set of just four PetiteCloud instances > might serve as the complete compute, networking, storage, etc. nodes for an > OpenStack installation which in turn is running, say 10 instances. > Addtional compute, storage and/or hybrid nodes (real and virtual) can be > added to the deploy via any combination of bare metal openstack nodes and > CFL'ed ones. Since PetiteCloud does not, yet, have any API hooks you would > need to limit this to a small number of PetiteCloud hosts. > > >> >> > * All transactions that change instance state are password >> protected at >> > all critical stages >> > * Advanced options: >> > * Ability to use/make bootable bare metal disks for backing >> stores >> > * Multiple NIC's and disks >> > * User settable (vs. auto assigned) backing store locations >> >> if backing store == virtual disk, this sounds fairly straight forward, >> though 'bootable bare metal disks' is certainly an attention grabbing >> statement for a hypervisor. >> > > As explained in the white paper, since we are a full layer 0 cloud > platform instead of just a hypervisor manager we can do stuff that would > normally not be possible for a unmanaged hypervisor (or even wise if not > managed by a full layer 0 platform). One of them is you can make the > storage target of your layer 0 instances be a physical disk. Additionally > since petitecloud does not require any "guest modifications" when you > install the OS (which is managed by the hypervisor) you can make your root > disk be a physical drive. You can take this to some really interesting > extremes like one of our core team members (not me) posted a few nights ago > to our mailing list how to make a "cloud on a stick". > http://lists.peti
Re: [openstack-dev] request for testing new cloud foundation layer on bare metal
We apologize for the unclearness of our wording both here and on our site (http://www.petitecloud.org). Over the next few weeks we will work on improving our descriptions of various aspects of what PetiteCloud is and what it is not. We will also add a set of tutorials showing what a cloud foundation layer (CFL) is and how it can make OpenStack more stable and robust in non-data-center environments. In the meantime, hopefully my answers below will help with some immediate clarification. For general answers as to what a CFL is, see our 25 words or less answer on our site (http://petitecloud.org/cloudFoundation.jsp) or see the draft notes for a forthcoming white paper on the topic ( http://lists.petitecloud.nyclocal.net/private.cgi/petitecloud-general-petitecloud.nyclocal.net/attachments/20140213/3fee4df0/attachment-0001.pdf). OpenStack does not currently have a cloud foundation layer of its own (creating one might be a good sub-project for OpenStack). Your specfic questions are answered inline: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I've been seeing your emails come > in, and I've read your website, and I still have 0% clue about what > PetiteCloud is. > > On 12 February 2014 21:56, Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > > PetiteCloud is a 100% Free Open Source and Open Knowledge bare metal > capable > > Cloud Foundation Layer for Unix-like operating systems. It has the > following > > features: > > What is a Cloud Foundation Layer? Whats the relevance of OK here (I > presume you mean http://okfn.org/ ?). > We have no connection with the above site. Personally we agree with its goals, but our use of the term "Open Knowledge" is different and pertains only to technical knowledge. See our web site for details on what we mean by that term. http://petitecloud.org/fosok.jsp > > > * Support for bhyve (FreeBSD only) and QEMU > > * Any x86 OS as a guest (FreeBSD and Linux via bhyve or QEMU; all > others > > via QEMU only) and all supported software (including running OpenStack on > > VM's) > > * Install, import, start, stop and reboot instances safely (guest OS > > needs to be controlled independently) > > * Clone, backup/export, delete stopped instances 100% safely > > So far it sounds like a hypervisor management layer - which is what Nova > is. > Nova is for running end user instances. PetiteCloud is designed (see below) to run instances that OpenStack can run on and then partition into end-user instances. > > > * Keep track of all your instances on one screen > > I think you'll need a very big screen eventually :) > Not a huge one. A CFL needs to run only a relatively small number of instances itself. Remember that a cloud foundation layer's instances can be used as hosts (a.k.a. nodes) for a full-fledged IAAS platform such as OpenStack. Thus, for example, a set of just four PetiteCloud instances might serve as the complete compute, networking, storage, etc. nodes for an OpenStack installation which in turn is running, say 10 instances. Addtional compute, storage and/or hybrid nodes (real and virtual) can be added to the deploy via any combination of bare metal openstack nodes and CFL'ed ones. Since PetiteCloud does not, yet, have any API hooks you would need to limit this to a small number of PetiteCloud hosts. > > > * All transactions that change instance state are password protected > at > > all critical stages > > * Advanced options: > > * Ability to use/make bootable bare metal disks for backing > stores > > * Multiple NIC's and disks > > * User settable (vs. auto assigned) backing store locations > > if backing store == virtual disk, this sounds fairly straight forward, > though 'bootable bare metal disks' is certainly an attention grabbing > statement for a hypervisor. > As explained in the white paper, since we are a full layer 0 cloud platform instead of just a hypervisor manager we can do stuff that would normally not be possible for a unmanaged hypervisor (or even wise if not managed by a full layer 0 platform). One of them is you can make the storage target of your layer 0 instances be a physical disk. Additionally since petitecloud does not require any "guest modifications" when you install the OS (which is managed by the hypervisor) you can make your root disk be a physical drive. You can take this to some really interesting extremes like one of our core team members (not me) posted a few nights ago to our mailing list how to make a "cloud on a stick". http://lists.petitecloud.nyclocal.net/private.cgi/petitecloud-general-petitecloud.nyclocal.net/2014-February/000106.htmlNamely how have a bootable USB drive that contains your entire cloud. > > > * A growing number of general purpose and specialized > > instances/applications are available for PetiteCloud > > > > We would like to know if people a) find this useful and b) does it live > up > > to it's claims for a
Re: [openstack-dev] request for testing new cloud foundation layer on bare metal
I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I've been seeing your emails come in, and I've read your website, and I still have 0% clue about what PetiteCloud is. On 12 February 2014 21:56, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > PetiteCloud is a 100% Free Open Source and Open Knowledge bare metal capable > Cloud Foundation Layer for Unix-like operating systems. It has the following > features: What is a Cloud Foundation Layer? Whats the relevance of OK here (I presume you mean http://okfn.org/ ?). > * Support for bhyve (FreeBSD only) and QEMU > * Any x86 OS as a guest (FreeBSD and Linux via bhyve or QEMU; all others > via QEMU only) and all supported software (including running OpenStack on > VM's) > * Install, import, start, stop and reboot instances safely (guest OS > needs to be controlled independently) > * Clone, backup/export, delete stopped instances 100% safely So far it sounds like a hypervisor management layer - which is what Nova is. > * Keep track of all your instances on one screen I think you'll need a very big screen eventually :) > * All transactions that change instance state are password protected at > all critical stages > * Advanced options: > * Ability to use/make bootable bare metal disks for backing stores > * Multiple NIC's and disks > * User settable (vs. auto assigned) backing store locations if backing store == virtual disk, this sounds fairly straight forward, though 'bootable bare metal disks' is certainly an attention grabbing statement for a hypervisor. > * A growing number of general purpose and specialized > instances/applications are available for PetiteCloud > > We would like to know if people a) find this useful and b) does it live up > to it's claims for a wide variety of open stack installs I'm not clear what its claims are w.r.t. OpenStack. Is it a testing /development tool like https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack ? Is it a deployment tool like https://git.openstack.irg/cgit/openstack/tripleo-incubator? Is it a profiling tool like https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/rally? -Rob -- Robert Collins Distinguished Technologist HP Converged Cloud ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] request for testing new cloud foundation layer on bare metal
PetiteCloud is a 100% Free Open Source and Open Knowledge bare metal capable Cloud Foundation Layer for Unix-like operating systems. It has the following features: * Support for bhyve (FreeBSD only) and QEMU * Any x86 OS as a guest (FreeBSD and Linux via bhyve or QEMU; all others via QEMU only) and all supported software (including running OpenStack on VM's) * Install, import, start, stop and reboot instances safely (guest OS needs to be controlled independently) * Clone, backup/export, delete stopped instances 100% safely * Keep track of all your instances on one screen * All transactions that change instance state are password protected at all critical stages * Advanced options: * Ability to use/make bootable bare metal disks for backing stores * Multiple NIC's and disks * User settable (vs. auto assigned) backing store locations * A growing number of general purpose and specialized instances/applications are available for PetiteCloud We would like to know if people a) find this useful and b) does it live up to it's claims for a wide variety of open stack installs -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
