Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going
On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 19:15 -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: On 07/02/2014 07:07 PM, Ying Chun Guo wrote: Hello, Elizabeth I could try to be infrastructure meeting. When is the next infrastructure meeting? Now we cannot create new projects in Transifex. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/608725/comments/6 O noes! It's a big issue for us. Transifex supporting team is helping, but the response time is not that quick. We do need to have another candidate to take place Transifex. I notice the key issue with Zanata is the JBoss version and license. How about we use a Redhat donated enterprise version ? Ok. So - we don't want enterprise licenses for infra things. HOWEVER If it's a temporary thing, and I mean one with a commitment, like a real commitment (I might want Brian Stevens to chime in) to get the non-enterprise stuff working sensibly - then I could be convinced. I've included Mark McLoughlin here, because he knows everything ... Mark? Yu Shao is Director of the Red Hat engineering group responsible for Zanata and he can give his take on the future of Zanata on Wilfly. I guess it's a question of how long getting it to run on Wildfly is likely to take - if it's likely to be done in a couple of weeks, it's probably not worth the transitional step of running it on EAP with a Red Hat provided EAP license. Mark. ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra
Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going
Hi Monty, Daisy, Mark and others, The current situation is unexpected to Zanata team, the Zanata team picked EAP to start only because it went through more testing comparing to community version of WildFly, however Zanata team has already started more integration testing on Zanata with WildFly, we expect to finish all the work in 5 to 6 weeks. So, I hope 5 to 6 weeks is the time OpenStack Infra/i18n team could wait, or I am also very sure that I could resolve any license issue if openstack-infra wants to go ahead with EAP not matter it is temporary or longer term, or any other thought? Regards, Yu Shao - Original Message - From: Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com To: Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com Cc: openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org, Yu Shao ys...@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2014 11:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 19:15 -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: On 07/02/2014 07:07 PM, Ying Chun Guo wrote: Hello, Elizabeth I could try to be infrastructure meeting. When is the next infrastructure meeting? Now we cannot create new projects in Transifex. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/608725/comments/6 O noes! It's a big issue for us. Transifex supporting team is helping, but the response time is not that quick. We do need to have another candidate to take place Transifex. I notice the key issue with Zanata is the JBoss version and license. How about we use a Redhat donated enterprise version ? Ok. So - we don't want enterprise licenses for infra things. HOWEVER If it's a temporary thing, and I mean one with a commitment, like a real commitment (I might want Brian Stevens to chime in) to get the non-enterprise stuff working sensibly - then I could be convinced. I've included Mark McLoughlin here, because he knows everything ... Mark? Yu Shao is Director of the Red Hat engineering group responsible for Zanata and he can give his take on the future of Zanata on Wilfly. I guess it's a question of how long getting it to run on Wildfly islikely to take - if it's likely to be done in a couple of weeks, it's probably not worth the transitional step of running it on EAP with a Red Hat provided EAP license. Mark. ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra
Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: I'd like to look at this in terms of the end goal, translations. That is the end goal, yes? Is one tool any better than the other (zanta and pootle are the two options, yes?) at doing translating? Is the end product substantially better using one tool than the other? Right, Zanata and Pootle are the two leading options. The translations team seemed to prefer Zanata so we said we'd work to get a demo going for them so they could try it themselves, just like we have for Pootle. On our end maintainability is the major consideration, since we don't want to deploy a solution that will be disruptive to translators (during upgrades, etc) or insecure. -- Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra
Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going
On 07/02/2014 06:37 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
On 07/02/2014 12:25 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:
I'd like to look at this in terms of the end goal, translations. That is
the end goal, yes?
Is one tool any better than the other (zanta and pootle are the two
options, yes?) at doing translating? Is the end product substantially
better using one tool than the other?
Right, Zanata and Pootle are the two leading options. The translations
team seemed to prefer Zanata so we said we'd work to get a demo going
for them so they could try it themselves, just like we have for
Pootle.
On our end maintainability is the major consideration, since we don't
want to deploy a solution that will be disruptive to translators
(during upgrades, etc) or insecure.
Can we get an item on next week's infra agenda and have some of the
folks doing the translation work attend and offer their opinion?
It seems we might be at a point of weighing costs of setup and
maintenance time versus advantages of use.
The i18n team meets tomorrow at 8am UTC - Liz, if you're awake, you
could also join there...
Liz, thanks a lot for looking into this!
Andreas
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Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going
Hello, Elizabeth I could try to be infrastructure meeting. When is the next infrastructure meeting? Now we cannot create new projects in Transifex. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/608725/comments/6 It's a big issue for us. Transifex supporting team is helping, but the response time is not that quick. We do need to have another candidate to take place Transifex. I notice the key issue with Zanata is the JBoss version and license. How about we use a Redhat donated enterprise version ? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 2014/07/03 00:37:54: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info 2014/07/03 00:37 To openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org, cc Subject Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going On 07/02/2014 12:25 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: I'd like to look at this in terms of the end goal, translations. That is the end goal, yes? Is one tool any better than the other (zanta and pootle are the two options, yes?) at doing translating? Is the end product substantially better using one tool than the other? Right, Zanata and Pootle are the two leading options. The translations team seemed to prefer Zanata so we said we'd work to get a demo going for them so they could try it themselves, just like we have for Pootle. On our end maintainability is the major consideration, since we don't want to deploy a solution that will be disruptive to translators (during upgrades, etc) or insecure. Can we get an item on next week's infra agenda and have some of the folks doing the translation work attend and offer their opinion? It seems we might be at a point of weighing costs of setup and maintenance time versus advantages of use. Thanks, Anita. ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra
Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going
On 07/02/2014 10:07 PM, Ying Chun Guo wrote: Hello, Elizabeth I could try to be infrastructure meeting. When is the next infrastructure meeting? Infra meets on Tuesdays: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting Now we cannot create new projects in Transifex. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/608725/comments/6 It's a big issue for us. Transifex supporting team is helping, but the response time is not that quick. We do need to have another candidate to take place Transifex. I notice the key issue with Zanata is the JBoss version and license. How about we use a Redhat donated enterprise version ? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 2014/07/03 00:37:54: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info 2014/07/03 00:37 To openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org, cc Subject Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Current options for getting Zanata going On 07/02/2014 12:25 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: I'd like to look at this in terms of the end goal, translations. That is the end goal, yes? Is one tool any better than the other (zanta and pootle are the two options, yes?) at doing translating? Is the end product substantially better using one tool than the other? Right, Zanata and Pootle are the two leading options. The translations team seemed to prefer Zanata so we said we'd work to get a demo going for them so they could try it themselves, just like we have for Pootle. On our end maintainability is the major consideration, since we don't want to deploy a solution that will be disruptive to translators (during upgrades, etc) or insecure. Can we get an item on next week's infra agenda and have some of the folks doing the translation work attend and offer their opinion? It seems we might be at a point of weighing costs of setup and maintenance time versus advantages of use. Thanks, Anita. ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra ___ OpenStack-Infra mailing list OpenStack-Infra@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra
