[opensuse] Size of /proc/kcor

[Susemail]

Is this normal?  # du -hsx /proc/*-> 4.8G/proc/kcore

ps:  Why do the first 2 outputs happen?:

# du -hsx /proc/* | grep kcore
du: `/proc/18268/task': No such file or directory
du: `/proc/18268/fd': No such file or directory
4.8G/proc/kcore

Thanks,
Jerome
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[opensuse] More Software updater issues

[Tim Nicholson]

On one of my systems in the list of software updates I frequently get
both a noarch patch and an x86-64 full version of the same package
listed, and if I try to do a select all install I get a dependency
failure which can always (so far) be cured by opting to install only the
patch, at which point the dependency check then offers to install the
previously listed full version, and the update proceeds successfully.

Another system I have may list the same two versions of a package as
above, but suffers no dependency resolution failure and the update
proceeds normally.

It looks to me as if the troublesome machine has a duff installed apps
database or something, the question is how to fix it?
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Re: [opensuse] SuSE10.2-RC1, NetworkManager SOLVED

[Timo Hoenig]

Hi Verner,

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 21:01 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

> I'm back, succesfully!

Perfect.

> Thanks to Timo for guiding me,- it's working just fine now. 

Well, I did not really guide you, just pointed to the documentation
link.  Your concern that it is a bad idea not to integrate this as part
of the distribution is still valid and I will take care to get this
fixed for OS10.3

> The reason...I was led to believe all was good, because the ipw2100 module 
> was 
> installed and loaded. Only when I deleted the wireless interface and tried to 
> reinstall it, was I notified of the missing firmware. 
> Once downloaded, which went just fine, all is really ok.
> 
> And I'm now getting KNetworkManager dialogboxes just like the screenshots.
> 
> One of these days, I'll take a deep breath and install it for real on one of 
> the laptops.
> 
> It's just too much eye candy not to :-)

You'll get used to it.  But you won't stop loving it :-)

   Timo

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-project] New versioning system?

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:14 -0600, Rajko M wrote:
> On Monday 04 December 2006 19:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > Year number version could be nice and informative; for instance, some
> > new chap buying it on a shop would know if he was getting the latest or
> > not.
> 
> Year number and probably expiration date to assure buyer that merchandise is 
> fresh :-)

There is a reason why MS stopped with 95, 98, 2000. Dates imply the
wrong thing with software. I would like a quota wherein the percentage
of lines of code from each year are presented. Not just the date of the
very newest line.

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Re: [opensuse] Size of /proc/kcor

[David Mayr]

> Is this normal?
> # du -hsx /proc/*-> 4.8G/proc/kcore 

Yes, some of the files there represent your system memory, so it looks like 
you have something about 4GB of RAM. /proc is a virtual filesystem, so these 
files don't need your diskspace, don't worry...


> ps:  Why do the first 2 outputs happen?:
>
> # du -hsx /proc/* | grep kcore
> du: `/proc/18268/task': No such file or directory
> du: `/proc/18268/fd': No such file or directory
> 4.8G/proc/kcore

I guess that the process with PID 18268 just went away while executing your 
command. Maybe I'm wrong, if someone knows it better - just let me know ...

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[opensuse] OpenSUSE-Updater for 10.1 ?

[Michael Schueller]

Hello List, and a great HELLO to the openSUSE Development Team

Yesterday i did a Upgrade from openSUSE-10.0 to 10.2.

My first impression was WOW, an Upgrade with no Problems at all.
Even the "new" zmd and Produkt Registering Stuff works now out of te 
box. I´m shure you remember, this was a little bit tricky in the 
early 10.1, especially the zmd/zmd software install/update Stuff.

But know, with the new openSUSE Update applet, it looks good, it 
feels good and it works good again.

So i asked myself, if it would be possible do give that work also to 
the users of 10.1, is that possible.
Could you open a new repo with the knew ZMD, libzyyp, zypper and of 
course the openSUSE Updater for 10.1 ?

Greets, and many thanks for the new Star on the SUSE Heaven ;-)

Michael

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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[Mike McMullin]

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:10 -0600, M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 04 December 2006 19:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > The suse box can ping the router and open the administration of the
> > network through the default gateway of the router.  Any attempt to reach
> > the internet results is www. can not be found.  /etc/resolv.conf
> > changes dynamically and shows the ISP in the search line and their 2
> > nameservers, also.  Still not joy.
>   Can you ping an outside address:
> 
>   ping 209.97.46.5
> 
>   This is the address for www.usatoday.com.
> 
>   If you can ping the outside address, but can not ping www.usatoday.com, 
> then 
> there is something wrong with your name resolution... and 
> probably /etc/resolv.conf is the problem. 

  That file should point to the router, the router should get the
dynamic name server information from the ISP.  I have a similar
intermittent problem with my SMC4008ABR.  Other than forcing the name
server information into the Config file (via YaST) I have found that
dis-connecting the DSL connection, and then reconnecting, using it's
administration software, to be a cure.


{snip}

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Re: [opensuse] democracy player

[Darren Davis]

>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2006 at  3:32 PM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve reilly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> On Sunday 03 December 2006 17:14, Pete Connolly wrote:
> 
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> Strangely enough, I've been looking at this today after reading some very
>> good write ups around the net.  It sems that Darren Davis is working on
>> this on the build service
>> (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse- buildservice/2006- 09/msg00188.html) but
>> hasn't got there yet.  Maybe this is something we could help him with?  I'd
>> be willing...
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pete
> 
> Hi,
> 
> absolutely Im afraid I wouldnt be any help on the programming side, 
> (my limits are a bit of html,  and php)  but testing, and anything else Id 
> be 
> more than willing.  This is a great program!  Im having fun with it.
> 
> Darren, are you listening?
> 
> 
> 
> 

Yep, here!

First my apologies for the fact that my mail client is going to break this 
thread, I am on the road and have no choice. :(

I ran into the dependency issues that Pascal outlines later in this thread.  I 
spent some time trying to chase them down, but gave up with the other affected 
packages.  I do have interest in help getting Democracy working.

Darren


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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[Mike McMullin]

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 05:55 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:10 -0600, M Harris wrote:
> > On Monday 04 December 2006 19:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > The suse box can ping the router and open the administration of the
> > > network through the default gateway of the router.  Any attempt to reach
> > > the internet results is www. can not be found.  /etc/resolv.conf
> > > changes dynamically and shows the ISP in the search line and their 2
> > > nameservers, also.  Still not joy.
> > Can you ping an outside address:
> > 
> > ping 209.97.46.5
> > 
> > This is the address for www.usatoday.com.
> > 
> > If you can ping the outside address, but can not ping www.usatoday.com, 
> > then 
> > there is something wrong with your name resolution... and 
> > probably /etc/resolv.conf is the problem. 
> 
>   That file should point to the router, the router should get the
> dynamic name server information from the ISP.  I have a similar
> intermittent problem with my SMC4008ABR.  Other than forcing the name
> server information into the Config file (via YaST) I have found that
> dis-connecting the DSL connection, and then reconnecting, using it's
> administration software, to be a cure.
> 
> 
> {snip}


   Just a followup on a couple of thins I read after posting this.  Your
Linux system worked find until recently, and recently there was a major
storm in your area.  Is it possible that your NIC is fried and you are
getting intermittent connections with it?  When I get the network is
unreachable problem, I usually open YaST delete the network card
information, and then re-install the network card.  YaST picks up the
info and I get a network connect again.  IT's not pretty but could be
informative.

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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[zoran korac]

--- 209.97.46.5 ping statistics ---
120 packets transmitted, 120 received, 0% packet loss, time 119019ms

--- www.usatoday.com ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6007ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 165.125/165.926/166.666/0.629 ms
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>   

Is this good enough?

zoran




On Tuesday 05 December 2006 12:06, Mike McMullin Schreef:
> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 05:55 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:10 -0600, M Harris wrote:
> > > On Monday 04 December 2006 19:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > The suse box can ping the router and open the administration of the
> > > > network through the default gateway of the router.  Any attempt to
> > > > reach the internet results is www. can not be found. 
> > > > /etc/resolv.conf changes dynamically and shows the ISP in the search
> > > > line and their 2 nameservers, also.  Still not joy.
> > >
> > >   Can you ping an outside address:
> > >
> > >   ping 209.97.46.5
> > >
> > >   This is the address for www.usatoday.com.
> > >
> > >   If you can ping the outside address, but can not ping
> > > www.usatoday.com, then there is something wrong with your name
> > > resolution... and
> > > probably /etc/resolv.conf is the problem.
> >
> >   That file should point to the router, the router should get the
> > dynamic name server information from the ISP.  I have a similar
> > intermittent problem with my SMC4008ABR.  Other than forcing the name
> > server information into the Config file (via YaST) I have found that
> > dis-connecting the DSL connection, and then reconnecting, using it's
> > administration software, to be a cure.
> >
> >
> > {snip}
>
>Just a followup on a couple of thins I read after posting this.  Your
> Linux system worked find until recently, and recently there was a major
> storm in your area.  Is it possible that your NIC is fried and you are
> getting intermittent connections with it?  When I get the network is
> unreachable problem, I usually open YaST delete the network card
> information, and then re-install the network card.  YaST picks up the
> info and I get a network connect again.  IT's not pretty but could be
> informative.
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Lev Lafayette]

Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.

Nice to see it discussed here...

All the best,


Lev

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE-Updater for 10.1 ?

[Raúl Moratalla]

El Martes, 5 de Diciembre de 2006 10:47, Michael Schueller escribió:
> So i asked myself, if it would be possible do give that work also to
> the users of 10.1, is that possible.
> Could you open a new repo with the knew ZMD, libzyyp, zypper and of
> course the openSUSE Updater for 10.1 ?
>
Pascal Bleser has an experimental repository but it's not updated with the 
latest changes in 10.2
http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/suser-guru/zypp/
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Lev Lafayette wrote:
> Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
> from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.
>   
It certainly IS a great app, but it isn't a clone of xtree but of Norton
Commander, which was great app in it's day.  MC is the only console text
editor I need.  Works great over ssh as well.  Wished it was installed
on the rescue system, but not a big deal as I have it when I mount and
chroot. ;-)

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[opensuse] Upgrade to KDE 3.5.5 == PyQT missing?

[Martin Mielke]

Hi there,

after some struggle I finally upgraded to KDE 3.5.5
using yum pointing to the repositories listed on the
KDE website... well, I needed to manually solve some
dependencies but hey, it was worth it! :-)

Now SuperKaramba shows an error message telling it
cannot find PyQT but oddly it runs as smooth as silk
(at least LiquidWeather++ does).

The package python-qt is installed on my system and,
AFAIK, it's the newest version available on the apt
repositories...

Maybe I need the KDE 3.5.5-specific RPM?

TIA,
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Mark Goldstein]

On 12/5/06, Lev Lafayette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.



Well, Norton Commander is closer to MC than Xtree.

One very powerful feature of MC is "macro" parameters. I'm using it quite often.
E.g. I have different releases in 2 directories and I want to check
differences between files one by one. I'm opening these directories in
2 panels and use command

diff %f %D/%f  (compare file under cursor in the current panel with
file with the same name in the other panel).

I just need to set the cursor on the file, select the command from
history, Enter, move cursor to the next file and so on...

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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[James Knott]

M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 04 December 2006 20:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> The connection is through a cable modem.  I didn't try pinging the boxes
>> back and forth.
>> 
>   Make sure that your internal network is working first, then outbound.
>
>   
>> BTW, what setting would keep the router from forwarding the linux packets?
>> 
>   That depends on the router. Mine is another Linux box through a shylink 
> switch to the internal net, and nic to the outside...  is your router 
> home-made (linux box, other) or is it a hardware package like the linksys, or 
> other?
>
>
>   

If the box passes packets from Windows, it should also do so for Linux. 
There's no such thing as "Linux packets".  The problem is either routing
or DNS resolution in the system with the problem.  If you can ping by IP
address, but not host name, it's DNS.  If you can't by IP either, it's
routing.  If you can't even ping a local IP, then it's some
configuration issue with the NIC.  A useful tool to find out what the
problem is, is Ethereal.

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Re: [opensuse] democracy player

[steve reilly]

> >
> > Darren, are you listening?
>
> Yep, here!
>
> First my apologies for the fact that my mail client is going to break this
> thread, I am on the road and have no choice. :(
>
> I ran into the dependency issues that Pascal outlines later in this thread.
>  I spent some time trying to chase them down, but gave up with the other
> affected packages.  I do have interest in help getting Democracy working.
>
> Darren


Hi!,

same problems here, with the dependencies.  There was one other gentleman who 
said he was going to try and work on it as well.  I tried loading his blog 
last night, where he said he would post info, and I kept getting a timeout.  
either he has one heck of a slow server and is in the bush somewhere, I 
couldnt get it to load.  oh well, we shall see where t his leads.  Let us 
know anyone if you have luck or need some testing ok!,  thank you.


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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[zoran korac]

If I remember correctly, Norton commander has bulid in FTP option, but I do 
not see it on mc or it is just something that I overseen.

thanks,
zoran



On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:01, Joe Morris (NTM) Schreef:
> Lev Lafayette wrote:
> > Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
> > from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.
>
> It certainly IS a great app, but it isn't a clone of xtree but of Norton
> Commander, which was great app in it's day.  MC is the only console text
> editor I need.  Works great over ssh as well.  Wished it was installed
> on the rescue system, but not a big deal as I have it when I mount and
> chroot. ;-)
>
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> Registered Linux user 231871
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 05-12-2006 14:36:59 <<<

> If I remember correctly, Norton commander has bulid in FTP option,
but I
> do 
> not see it on mc or it is just something that I overseen.
> 
> thanks,
> zoran
> 

Zoran,

indeed, something you oversee. You can connect to FTP using the menu or
by simply typing cd #ftp:ftp.example.com/pub
as described on
http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander/Tips#FTP_browsing 

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Dominique
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[opensuse] ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Hi list,

on SuSE10.1 AND the new SuSE10.2 (rc1) I've noticed that on my IBM ThinkPad 
R50 with an ATI Radeon RV250 Lf display (1400 x 1050), the installation sets 
the refresh rate to 75Hz. 

This causes the driver circuit in my machine to go mad in about 30 minutes 
from power on. The screen will gradually degrade with horizontal flashing 
lines and eventually become completely useless.

If I (YaST) set down the refresh rate to 60Hz the screen will stay on just 
fine. But when moving windows around, it doesn't really look good, all 
vertical lines are distorted with small pieces of "horizontal noice" to them.

On SUSE10 this never happened. 

Any ideas?



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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[zoran korac]

THANKS

Zoran


On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:38, Dominique Leuenberger Schreef:
> >>> Reply on 05-12-2006 14:36:59 <<<
> >
> > If I remember correctly, Norton commander has bulid in FTP option,
>
> but I
>
> > do
> > not see it on mc or it is just something that I overseen.
> >
> > thanks,
> > zoran
>
> Zoran,
>
> indeed, something you oversee. You can connect to FTP using the menu or
> by simply typing cd #ftp:ftp.example.com/pub
> as described on
> http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander/Tips#FTP_browsing
>
> Regards,
> Dominique
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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[Carl Hartung]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 07:25, James Knott wrote:
> M Harris wrote:
> > On Monday 04 December 2006 20:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> The connection is through a cable modem.  I didn't try pinging the boxes
> >> back and forth.
> >
> > Make sure that your internal network is working first, then outbound.
> >
> >> BTW, what setting would keep the router from forwarding the linux
> >> packets?
* see next comment
> > That depends on the router. Mine is another Linux box through a shylink
> > switch to the internal net, and nic to the outside...  is your router
> > home-made (linux box, other) or is it a hardware package like the
> > linksys, or other?
>
> If the box passes packets from Windows, it should also do so for Linux.
> There's no such thing as "Linux packets".

I interpreted this question to be shorthand for "... packets from the Linux 
box?"

> The problem is either routing 
> or DNS resolution in the system with the problem.  If you can ping by IP
> address, but not host name, it's DNS.  If you can't by IP either, it's
> routing.  If you can't even ping a local IP, then it's some
> configuration issue with the NIC.  A useful tool to find out what the
> problem is, is Ethereal.

I /do/ recall a thread in the last year or two here where we discovered a 
small but significant difference between Linux and M$ "ping" ... one being 
accepted and the other ignored, causing great consternation to the OP.

This may not be the case here, but forewarned is forearmed. I 
think /usr/sbin/mtr was the solution.

Carl
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Russell Jones]

If you liked Xtree, you could try Ytree 
http://www.han.de/~werner/ytree.html (or if you're on win32, the 
shareware Ztree http://www.ztree.com/ ).


Russell Jones

Lev Lafayette wrote:

Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.

Nice to see it discussed here...

All the best,


Lev

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 21:03 -0600, Rajko M wrote:
  


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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

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> If I remember correctly, Norton commander has bulid in FTP option, but I do 
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It is under the right/left menu, "ftp link".

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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[James Wright]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 7:48 am, Carl Hartung wrote:

>
> I /do/ recall a thread in the last year or two here where we discovered a
> small but significant difference between Linux and M$ "ping" ... one being
> accepted and the other ignored, causing great consternation to the OP.
>
> This may not be the case here, but forewarned is forearmed. I
> think /usr/sbin/mtr was the solution.
>
> Carl

The ping issue between Windows vs Linux is the size of the ICMP packet.  I 
believe a router (in that thread a while back) was refusing Linux pings, 
based on the size.  As far as I know, this would only affect equipment 
requiring Windows based pings.  A ping to a normal router should return as 
expected regardless of the  OS.  

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[opensuse] Which Shell do I Have?

[Kai Ponte]

I'm trying to run FlightGear. I saw an article - 
http://applications.linux.com/applications/06/11/20/0533247.shtml?tid=8&tid=49 
- on Linux.com yesterday about it and was reminded. I think I had it on my 
9.3 system then forgot about it until now. 

Looking, I didn't see any installation for it under 10.1 so I installed it 
from source. (I didn't realize something could still take 20 minutes to 
comple, as the main program did.)

In the instructions, it tells me to make some environment variable changes. 
However, it has one set for a Borne Shell and another set for a C shell. 

Which do I have?

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Re: [opensuse] Which Shell do I Have?

[Martin Mielke]

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[ snip ]

> In the instructions, it tells me to make some
> environment variable changes. 
> However, it has one set for a Borne Shell and
> another set for a C shell. 
> 
> Which do I have?


echo $SHELL


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Re: [opensuse] Which Shell do I Have?

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* Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-05-06 08:12]:
...
> In the instructions, it tells me to make some environment variable
> changes.  However, it has one set for a Borne Shell and another set
> for a C shell.
> 
> Which do I have?

echo $SHELL

probably /bin/bash which is Borne Again Shell.  I would select Borne.

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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 20:01 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> Lev Lafayette wrote:
> > Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
> > from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.
> >   
> It certainly IS a great app, but it isn't a clone of xtree but of Norton
> Commander, which was great app in it's day.  MC is the only console text
> editor I need.  Works great over ssh as well.  Wished it was installed
> on the rescue system, but not a big deal as I have it when I mount and
> chroot. ;-)

Too bad I cannot run Unix SYS V apps on Linux. I have the Norton
Utilities for Unix (ran on Interactive and AT&T SVR4.2 on intel
processors / standard 386 PCs) It even had an unerase feature for the
SYS V file system. I was probably the only person who bought it. We used
the Norton Integrator to make a character-based menu system for our
apps. Users loved it.

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Re: [opensuse] Which Shell do I Have?

[Kai Ponte]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 05:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-05-06 08:12]:
> ...
>
> > In the instructions, it tells me to make some environment variable
> > changes.  However, it has one set for a Borne Shell and another set
> > for a C shell.
> >
> > Which do I have?
>
> echo $SHELL
>
> probably /bin/bash which is Borne Again Shell.  I would select Borne.

Ahh, thank you. I knew I had a bash shell but had no idea if it was borne or 
C. I understandd - Borne Again SHell. Very nice. :)

On to flightgear!

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[opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Sorin Peste]

I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x to 10.2 RC1
since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh install). I'm thinking of
doing the same but after botching the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a little
circumspect. 

Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?

Thanks,
Sorin

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Hugo Costelha]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:48, Sorin Peste wrote:
> I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x to 10.2 RC1
> since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh install). I'm thinking of
> doing the same but after botching the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a
> little circumspect.
>
> Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?
>

I suggest you wait for the GoldMaster.

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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[Jan Kalcic]

James Wright wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 7:48 am, Carl Hartung wrote:
>
>   
>> I /do/ recall a thread in the last year or two here where we discovered a
>> small but significant difference between Linux and M$ "ping" ... one being
>> accepted and the other ignored, causing great consternation to the OP.
>>
>> This may not be the case here, but forewarned is forearmed. I
>> think /usr/sbin/mtr was the solution.
>>
>> Carl
>> 
>
> The ping issue between Windows vs Linux is the size of the ICMP packet.  I 
> believe a router (in that thread a while back) was refusing Linux pings, 
> based on the size.  As far as I know, this would only affect equipment 
> requiring Windows based pings.  A ping to a normal router should return as 
> expected regardless of the  OS.  
>
> - James W.
>   

Yep, the only difference is the size. In general, Microsoft systems use
32 bytes as default packet size, Unix systems 64 and Netware systems 40.
Usually, increasing packet size reveals router issue. You can check it
using the -L option in Windows and the -s option in Linux.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Kenneth Schneider]

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 15:48 +0200, Sorin Peste wrote:
> I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x to 10.2 RC1
> since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh install). I'm thinking of
> doing the same but after botching the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a little
> circumspect. 
> 
> Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?
> 

I have performed most of the upgrades from 10.1 through all of the 10.2
releases without a problem. These upgrades were performed on my laptop
which is my guinea pig. Should be a piece of cake but YMMV. It is always
best to have a backup on hand in case anything goes awry.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Michael Schueller]

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 14:58 schrieb Hugo Costelha:
> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:48, Sorin Peste wrote:
> > I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x
> > to 10.2 RC1 since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh
> > install). I'm thinking of doing the same but after botching the
> > upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a little circumspect.
> >
> > Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?
>
> I suggest you wait for the GoldMaster.
>
> Hugo Costelha

I agree, even when i did only good experience upgrading from 10.0 to 
10.2 with the RC1.
The upgrade it self was verry smoth, and even the change to the 
openSUSE-updater was verry easy. There is a new Software directory 
for the openSUSE updater, just set your marker for this, and you´re 
fine.
But the you have to install 1,4GB to upgrade to the final release 
( GM ), so it makes no sence to Upgrade now, when the GoldMaster is 
published on Thursday.

Greets
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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Randall R Schulz]

On Monday 04 December 2006 22:48, you wrote:
> Hi,

PLEASE, NO DIRECT REPLIES!!


> http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap/10.2#Thu.2C_Dec_7_openSUSE_10.2_public
>_release
>
> says the 10.2 release is on Dec 7th on the FTP Server.

That's not an answer to the question I asked.

I asked about a commercial release. You know, a box, a single 
(dual-layer) DVD, a manual, a full complement of open-source _and_ 
non-OSS software.


> So may be the links will be be updated once it's out - but yes a
> pre-order facility would have been nice ;o).
>
> Cheers,
> Madhan.


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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 09:53 -0500, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 15:48 +0200, Sorin Peste wrote:
> > I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x to 10.2 RC1
> > since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh install). I'm thinking of
> > doing the same but after botching the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a little
> > circumspect. 
> > 
> > Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?
> > 
> 
> I have performed most of the upgrades from 10.1 through all of the 10.2
> releases without a problem. These upgrades were performed on my laptop
> which is my guinea pig. Should be a piece of cake but YMMV. It is always
> best to have a backup on hand in case anything goes awry.

What was the state of your 10.1 when you did the update? I have updates
from the build service, packman and such on my 10.1. Anyone done an
upgrade of such a system?

I will probably do an upgrade to see how that goes, and then do a clean
install anyway. I keep /home as a separate partition anyway and share it
between 10.0 and 10.1. So far no problems. It is on a test machine. My
real work machine wears protective gear...

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE-Updater for 10.1 ?

[Michael Schueller]

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 12:57 schrieb Raúl Moratalla:
> El Martes, 5 de Diciembre de 2006 10:47, Michael Schueller 
escribió:
> > So i asked myself, if it would be possible do give that work
> > also to the users of 10.1, is that possible.
> > Could you open a new repo with the knew ZMD, libzyyp, zypper
> > and of course the openSUSE Updater for 10.1 ?
>
> Pascal Bleser has an experimental repository but it's not updated
> with the latest changes in 10.2
> http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/suser-guru/zypp/

Hello Raul

Thanks for the Tip, but i don´t get ZMD to work properly.
It´s still a pain in the ass to get a sync between libzypp and zmd.

So the libzypp27 and the opensuse-updater do install, but then i 
have to aktivate zmd, and zmd get´s the system to stuck when adding 
new sources.

I think it´s better to keep 10.1 zmd free, and enjoy the new 
version´s in 10.2

But thanks anyway
Greets
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Fergus Wilde]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:48, Sorin Peste wrote:
> I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x to 10.2 RC1
> since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh install). I'm thinking of
> doing the same but after botching the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a
> little circumspect.
>
> Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?
>
> Thanks,
> Sorin

I'm always inclined to do a fresh install, but whether you go with a fresh one 
or an upgrade I would put your data somewhere else first. In my case, for 
example, I do indeed have a separate /home partition, but because many of the 
dotfiles change, and because of various arcana concerning dcop and mcop, I 
find it handiest to have another nice big partition called something 
like /data where I can keep everything I am actually bothered about. An 
initial install of SuSE is very capable of leaving such a partition 
completely alone (best to check the device number and be careful about the F 
for format in that screen) while I can reformat /home and thus make sure any 
old cobwebs are cleaned away. You need to back up stuff like your email too, 
and naturally that /data partition had better be backed up too.

All best
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Basil Chupin]

Michael Schueller wrote:

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 14:58 schrieb Hugo Costelha:

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:48, Sorin Peste wrote:

I was wondering how many people tried upgrading their Suse 10.x
to 10.2 RC1 since it came out (as opposed to doing a fresh
install). I'm thinking of doing the same but after botching the
upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 I'm a little circumspect.

Anyone got success / horror stories they want to share?

I suggest you wait for the GoldMaster.

Hugo Costelha


I agree, even when i did only good experience upgrading from 10.0 to 
10.2 with the RC1.
The upgrade it self was verry smoth, and even the change to the 
openSUSE-updater was verry easy. There is a new Software directory 
for the openSUSE updater, just set your marker for this, and you´re 
fine.
But the you have to install 1,4GB to upgrade to the final release 
( GM ), so it makes no sence to Upgrade now, when the GoldMaster is 
published on Thursday.


I may be wrong but there won't be a GoldMaster release -- what's being 
released this coming Thursday is the final 10.2 release. GoldMaster has 
been skipped.


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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 05-12-2006 17:30:57 <<<

> 
> I may be wrong but there won't be a GoldMaster release -- what's
being 
> released this coming Thursday is the final 10.2 release. GoldMaster
has
> 
> been skipped.
> 

You are wrong in this case. There is always a GoldMaster release.
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-12/msg0.html 

That's the name the Master Disc usually get's before being shipped.

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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[BandiPat]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 01:48, Madhan P wrote:
> Hi,
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap/10.2#Thu.2C_Dec_7_openSUSE_10.2_public
>_release
>
> says the 10.2 release is on Dec 7th on the FTP Server.
>
> So may be the links will be be updated once it's out - but yes a
> pre-order facility would have been nice ;o).
>
> Cheers,
> Madhan.
>
> >>> On 12/4/2006 at 11:40 AM, in message
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
> Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ... And if so, where is it advertised / described / sold?
> >
> > The Novell site seems to strongly emphasize SLES and SLED, but
> > eventually I found ,
> > which
> >
> > mentions only 10.1. But given the proximity of the 10.2 release, I
> > don't understand why it (10.2) is not mentioned there. Amazon.com
>
> seems
>
> > to know nothing of it, either.
> >
> > Can we buy a commercial SuSE Linux 10.2? If so, where / when?
> >
> > RRS


I have a feeling that OpenSUSE is going the way of Fedora Core.  I'm 
doubtful that any more boxed sets will be released for sale.  It's 
never been a money maker and it's gotten less & less with each release, 
so I suspect Novell will end it just as Red Hat did.

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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 05-12-2006 17:41:27 <<<
> I have a feeling that OpenSUSE is going the way of Fedora Core.  I'm

> doubtful that any more boxed sets will be released for sale.  It's 
> never been a money maker and it's gotten less & less with each
release,
> 
> so I suspect Novell will end it just as Red Hat did.
> 

By reading the announcement of Andreas Jaeger
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-12/msg0.html I
would clearly say that boxes will appear. Or how else would you
interpret the paragraph

CD production is starting now and I hope to see some shiny green
openSUSE 10.2 boxes on the shelves before Christmas.


I would say that boxes are expected to be on the shelfs before
christmas?

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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Anders Norrbring]

[8<]


Can we buy a commercial SuSE Linux 10.2? If so, where / when?

RRS



I have a feeling that OpenSUSE is going the way of Fedora Core.  I'm 
doubtful that any more boxed sets will be released for sale.  It's 
never been a money maker and it's gotten less & less with each release, 
so I suspect Novell will end it just as Red Hat did.


Rumour say that 10.2 will be available in box. But then, it's a rumour...

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Re: [opensuse] ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2

[ken]

On 12/05/2006 07:45 AM somebody named Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> on SuSE10.1 AND the new SuSE10.2 (rc1) I've noticed that on my IBM ThinkPad 
> R50 with an ATI Radeon RV250 Lf display (1400 x 1050), the installation sets 
> the refresh rate to 75Hz. 

First, make sure that you really have an RV250 Lf.  Just because some
Suse app says it is, doesn't mean that it is.  Suse reports that I have
this ATI card, but my card is quite different.


> 
> This causes the driver circuit in my machine to go mad in about 30 minutes 
> from power on. The screen will gradually degrade with horizontal flashing 
> lines and eventually become completely useless.
> 
> If I (YaST) set down the refresh rate to 60Hz the screen will stay on just 
> fine. But when moving windows around, it doesn't really look good, all 
> vertical lines are distorted with small pieces of "horizontal noice" to them.

You can set VertRefresh in /etc/X11/xorg.conf


> 
> On SUSE10 this never happened. 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Stephan Binner]

On Tuesday, 5. December 2006 16:46, Anders Norrbring wrote:

> Rumour say that 10.2 will be available in box. But then, it's a rumour...

So the merchants listing it are... part of the conspiracy to dump it? :-)

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Anders Johansson]

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 16:29 schrieb Basil Chupin:
> I may be wrong but there won't be a GoldMaster release -- what's being
> released this coming Thursday is the final 10.2 release. GoldMaster has
> been skipped.

"final" and "gold master" are synonymous.
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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Michael Loeffler]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 16:46, Anders Norrbring wrote:
> [8<]
>
> >>> Can we buy a commercial SuSE Linux 10.2? If so, where / when?
openSUSE 10.2 (pyhsical boxes) are currently in production and should be 
dlivererd to distributors next week. That means first boxes could/should be 
on the shelf Dec 14/15. 
For NA openSUSE 10.2 will be available only through shopNovell.com. For EMEA  
box business remains as is (in retail shops, in onlineshops etc.) and in 
different countries. 

Michael 


> >>>
> >>> RRS
> >
> > 
> >
> > I have a feeling that OpenSUSE is going the way of Fedora Core.  I'm
> > doubtful that any more boxed sets will be released for sale.  It's
> > never been a money maker and it's gotten less & less with each release,
> > so I suspect Novell will end it just as Red Hat did.
>
> Rumour say that 10.2 will be available in box. But then, it's a rumour...

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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 08:01, Stephan Binner wrote:
> On Tuesday, 5. December 2006 16:46, Anders Norrbring wrote:
> > Rumour say that 10.2 will be available in box. But then, it's a
> > rumour...
>
> So the merchants listing it are... part of the conspiracy to dump it?
> :-)

Please supply pointers to these listings!


> Bye,
>Steve


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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 07:43, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> ...
>
> I would say that boxes are expected to be on the shelfs before
> christmas?

No problem, then.

I never pass up an opportunity to take a trip to Fry's...


> Dominique


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[opensuse] Re: ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2

[Masaru Nomiya]

Hello,

In the Message; 

  Subject: [opensuse] ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2
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  Date & Time: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:45:07 +0100

[Verner] == Verner Kj.ANfrsgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has written:

Verner> If I (YaST) set down the refresh rate to 60Hz the screen will stay
Verner> on just  fine. But when moving windows around, it doesn't really
Verner> look good, all vertical lines are distorted with small pieces of
Verner> "horizontal noice" to them.

Have you changed the "HorizSync" in xorg.conf?
If not, it m will cause a problem.

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Re: [opensuse] ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2 (SOLVED well, eh...)

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Tirsdag den 5. december 2006 13:45 skrev Verner Kjærsgaard:
> Hi list,
>
> on SuSE10.1 AND the new SuSE10.2 (rc1) I've noticed that on my IBM ThinkPad
> R50 with an ATI Radeon RV250 Lf display (1400 x 1050), the installation
> sets the refresh rate to 75Hz.
>
> This causes the driver circuit in my machine to go mad in about 30 minutes
> from power on. The screen will gradually degrade with horizontal flashing
> lines and eventually become completely useless.
>
> If I (YaST) set down the refresh rate to 60Hz the screen will stay on just
> fine. But when moving windows around, it doesn't really look good, all
> vertical lines are distorted with small pieces of "horizontal noice" to
> them.
>
> On SUSE10 this never happened.
>
> Any ideas?
>
Hi list

- thank you for the answer. I actually don't know if I really have such an ATI 
card in my IBM Thinkpad R50Don't know really how to find out...

- I just did another thingin YaST(sax), I selected the one and only IBM 
LCD display adaptor that there is to choose. This proved to be very good. 
Actually excellent. No distortions, all is just perfect.

- so conclusion: SuSE10.2 somehow suggested a slightly wrong driver and thus 
wrote a "not so good" config file for it. Once corrected, SuSE10.2 is 
displaywise on an R50 - just excellent.



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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Jan Kalcic]

Anders Johansson wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 16:29 schrieb Basil Chupin:
>   
>> I may be wrong but there won't be a GoldMaster release -- what's being
>> released this coming Thursday is the final 10.2 release. GoldMaster has
>> been skipped.
>> 
>
> "final" and "gold master" are synonymous.
>   

Just a quick off-topic to say HI to a friend and to all his team. :)

Hi Anders,

Jan Kalcic

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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Stephan Binner]

On Tuesday, 5. December 2006 17:10, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> > So the merchants listing it are... part of the conspiracy to dump it?
> Please supply pointers to these listings!

I only know two German merchants who list it already: ixsoft and LinuxLand 
International. And http://shop.novell.com will have it for North America.

Bye,
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Daniel Feiglin]

Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:

Lev Lafayette wrote:
  

Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.
  


It certainly IS a great app, but it isn't a clone of xtree but of Norton
Commander, which was great app in it's day.  MC is the only console text
editor I need.  Works great over ssh as well.  Wished it was installed
on the rescue system, but not a big deal as I have it when I mount and
chroot. ;-)

  

I also use it a lot, including ftp. How do you do the ssh thing?

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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[Damon Register]

Michael Loeffler wrote:
For NA openSUSE 10.2 will be available only through shopNovell.com. For EMEA  

NA is North America?  So here in the United States I will not find it
at Fry's?  Bummer.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 RC1 upgrade stories

[Will Stephenson]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 16:11, Roger Oberholtzer said:
> What was the state of your 10.1 when you did the update? I have updates
> from the build service, packman and such on my 10.1. Anyone done an
> upgrade of such a system?

YaST will disable any additional install sources and by default, suggest to 
delete any packages which don't also exist on the install media.  You can 
override this at the Installation Summary screen and keep the old packages - 
they should still run as long as their prerequisites are available.  

After the upgrade you can reenable your install sources and point them at 10.2 
repositories, then view the zzz-all package group and right-click, All in 
this list, Upgrade if newer version available.  

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[opensuse] How to attach to existing tty

[Simon Roberts]

Hi all,

This, I guess, is probably a generic Unix question, but in all my Unix years 
I've never tried to do this, and the manpages have yielded no clue where to 
start (at least no clue that I recognized as a clue :)

I want to attach to the output stream of an existing terminal. I want to "tee" 
that output to the serial device so I can send it to another machine that will 
log and save the output. The terminal in question is created and started by 
"the system". It is acutally /dev/tty10, and is receiving log messages about 
kernel activity.

The problem is that I'm getting a recursive kernel panic, and I want to capture 
it so I can report the error. This output doesn't seem to be sent to any file 
anywhere (so far as I can tell), which I guess is reasonable in the event of a 
panic, as not much of the kernel's behavior will be trustworthy. However, it 
seems reasonable that I might manage to ship this stuff out of a serial port.

Other option suggested was to take a photo of the screen, but the messages 
disappear off the top of the page (due to the recursive nature of the thing) 
before I can switch terminals, so this isn't a very useful option.

Come to think of it, the last time I had a kernel panic, it was under Solaris, 
and I used "kdb" to capture it I think (too long ago to remember clearly!) Is 
there a similar facility in Linux? (Solaris/kdb starts the whole darn kernel 
under a debugger from the OBP (forth) boot prom prompt).

Any suggestions?

Cheers,
Simon
 
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Kai Ponte]

On Monday 04 December 2006 19:03, Rajko M wrote:
> In some other thread (reiserfs something)
> it was touched OT the file manager issue.
>
> While Konqueror in file manager mode is good for GUI, there is more
> different solutions.
>
> One of them is a file manager that was designed for text mode, but it can
> be used in GUI too. It is good old Midnight Commander.
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander


Very nice introduction! 

I use mc all the time when downgraded to the command line, because I simply 
don't use it enough to remember all the commands. This tool really helps out 
with file copies, permissions, viewing files, and editing.


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[opensuse] Merged Lists?

[Donald D Henson]

Has the suse-linux-e mailing list been merged with the opensuse list?
When I try to send a note to suse-linux-e, the address mysteriously
changes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something?

Donald D. Henson, Managing Director
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Re: [opensuse] Configuring Dual Head Mode on a laptop

[Jens Nixdorf]

Am Montag, 4. Dezember 2006 14:39 schrieb Matthias Hopf:
> How should that ever be possible, except for a real dualhead
> environment (with different contents on both screens)? You're
> obviously running clone mode.
>
No, i can confirm Rylans problem, because i have the same, but in 10.1 
(10.2 doesnt run with my graphics card radeon X1600): One 20.1" screen 
with a native resolution of 1680x1050 and another 17" screen with 
1280x1024. Both are set up correctly with sax2, but in KDE i have a 
resolution of 3360x1050. And no way to change it. My 17" is running 
above its specs, but until now he does it anyway. 

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Re: [opensuse] How to attach to existing tty

[Alexey Eremenko]

There are multiple ways I can help you:

1. You can try "shared session" by using "screen". (read info pages)
On first console tty use "screen", On second console use "screen -x"
to attach yourself to shared session (requires login of single  user
on both tty's.)

2. redirect it "> /dev/ttyX" or use "wall" command.

3. Finally, you can scroll text-terminal up in Linux by using "ctrl+page up".

NOTE: works only if you are in non-X-terminal, but real TTY, *and*
only if you haven't changed to other tty.

Does that helped you ?

-Alexey Eremenko. 5.12.2006.
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Re: [opensuse] Merged Lists?

[Per Jessen]

Donald D Henson wrote:

> Has the suse-linux-e mailing list been merged with the opensuse list?
> When I try to send a note to suse-linux-e, the address mysteriously
> changes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something?

Yep - you've missed the announcement regarding the move from 2-3 weeks
ago. 


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Re: [opensuse] Merged Lists?

[Randall R Schulz]

Donald,

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:40, Donald D Henson wrote:
> Has the suse-linux-e mailing list been merged with the opensuse list?
> When I try to send a note to suse-linux-e, the address mysteriously
> changes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something?

Yes. The old list was retired and its subscribers merged into the 
openSUSE list. A similar migration occurred for all the old SuSE lists, 
owing in part, apparently, to the need to migrate list processing to 
new hardware.

The Off-Topic list is about to be migrated, too. It was the only 
straggler in the process.


> Donald D. Henson


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] Merged Lists?

[Jim Flanagan]

Donald D Henson wrote:

Has the suse-linux-e mailing list been merged with the opensuse list?
When I try to send a note to suse-linux-e, the address mysteriously
changes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something?

Donald D. Henson, Managing Director
West El Paso Information Network
The "Non-Initiation of Force Principle" Rules



  

Don,

See the post from the list adminThis was posted on suse-linux-e 
on Nov 8th, with actuation on Nov 10th. This and other lists were 
changed to opensuse.org.


There was a post yesterday about suse-ot moving to opensuse-offtopic, 
see it yesterday.


Jim F

==

Hi,

as announced a while ago on the big lists [1] we will move this
list to the new mailinglist server. We have also decided to rename it
while moving it. All this will happen this friday (2006.11.10). I cant say
exactly at which time but i will send a short heads-up mail right before
we are doing it. 

This means a few things for you. 


1. This list, suse-linux-e@suse.com, will be renamed to opensuse@opensuse.org
  This means that mails to you will come from the new address and for
  posting you also have to send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  The old list adress will still work but is depreceated. I will turn
  it off in the future (with notice).

2. Your subscription will get transfered to the new listserver. No action
  on your part is required to continue reciving mails from this list.

3. Because of the renaming the mailinglist headers will change.
  If you filter for headers in your mail setup please adopt
  your setup accordingly. New headers will look like this:

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Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by mlmmj
X-Mailinglist: opensuse
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe:  
List-Unsubscribe:  
List-Owner: 

4. Mails will originate from the new server. If you accepts listmails
  only from the listserver adopt your setup accordingly. The mails
  will originate from

  DNS: lists4.suse.de
  IP:  195.135.221.135

5. The webarchive of this list is located at

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/

6. We are using a new mailinglist manager on the new server. This means
  some aspects of using the list changed. Some features are dropped and
  some new features are added. For a complete list check out this post:
  http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-08/msg5.html

7. If you have any problems at all with the new setup please dont
  hesitate to contact me!

Henne

[1] http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Nov/1464.html
   http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2006-Nov/0440.html

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Re: [opensuse] Merged Lists?

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2006-12-05 11:40, Donald D Henson wrote:
> Has the suse-linux-e mailing list been merged with the opensuse list?
>   
Yes
> When I try to send a note to suse-linux-e, the address mysteriously
> changes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something?
>   
Yes -- send your mail to opensuse.


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Re: [opensuse] How to attach to existing tty

[M Harris]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 11:31, Simon Roberts wrote:
> This, I guess, is probably a generic Unix question,
No, most Suse users will never do this...

> I want to attach to the output stream of an existing terminal. 
You will need to redirect your console to /dev/tty10... then have 
another 
terminal or shell monitor the output (could be as simple as minicom... with 
history, hung off the machine over a null modem)  I've done this plenty of 
times... in fact... all of my headless boxes have the console directed to the 
serial port.

> The problem is that I'm getting a recursive kernel panic. . . which I guess 
is reasonable in the event of a panic, as not much of the kernel's behavior 
will be trustworthy . . .
uh, no.  A "kernel panic" is a "casters-up" dead-as-a-doorknob 
condition... 
the kernel is not running... it has stopped.



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Re: [opensuse] question re local update/installation servers

[Ross Davis]

>> However, I am not sure of the best way to do (2). Should I simply wget
>> one of the update mirrors? How would I then update my updates? Put wget
>> on a cron job?
> 
> rsync does a much better job here.

rsync would be ideal, but my understanding is that very few mirrors
offer rsync. I can find plenty of HTTP/FTP mirrors, but not rsync. Is
there a list of rsync mirrors somewhere?
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Re: [opensuse] Upgrade KDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.5 on 10.1

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2006-12-05 01:56, John Andersen wrote:
> On Monday 04 December 2006 07:11, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote:
>   
> 
> So what is download.opensuse.org.?
>
>   
It's where you download.opensuse :-)   (ie. the installation repositories).

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[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.2 is done

[Bruce Smith]

We've mastered yesterday openSUSE 10.2 RC5 and declared it as
goldmaster.


"RC5"???  I haven't been following 10.2 development very closely, and
opensuse.org seems to show RC1 being the latest available to download.
I can't even seem to find RC2-RC4.

- BS
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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[James Oakley]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 9:24 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> Too bad I cannot run Unix SYS V apps on Linux. I have the Norton
> Utilities for Unix (ran on Interactive and AT&T SVR4.2 on intel
> processors / standard 386 PCs) It even had an unerase feature for the
> SYS V file system.

mc has "undelfs" for ext2 filesystems.

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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[James Oakley]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 12:49 pm, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> > It certainly IS a great app, but it isn't a clone of xtree but of Norton
> > Commander, which was great app in it's day.  MC is the only console text
> > editor I need.  Works great over ssh as well.  Wished it was installed
> > on the rescue system, but not a big deal as I have it when I mount and
> > chroot. ;-)
>
> I also use it a lot, including ftp. How do you do the ssh thing?

I think he meant using it on a remote system after logging in via ssh.

You can browse files over ssh, though:

cd /#sh:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.2 is done

[Christoph Thiel]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:04:27PM -0500, Bruce Smith wrote:
> >We've mastered yesterday openSUSE 10.2 RC5 and declared it as
> >goldmaster.
> 
> "RC5"???  I haven't been following 10.2 development very closely, and
> opensuse.org seems to show RC1 being the latest available to download.
> I can't even seem to find RC2-RC4.

RC2-RC5 have been done internally, due to the rapid pace of development,
it's been practically impossible to release those RCs to the public.


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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[James Oakley]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 8:17 am, Mark Goldstein wrote:
> On 12/5/06, Lev Lafayette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
> > from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.
>
> Well, Norton Commander is closer to MC than Xtree.
>
> One very powerful feature of MC is "macro" parameters. I'm using it quite
> often. E.g. I have different releases in 2 directories and I want to check
> differences between files one by one. I'm opening these directories in 2
> panels and use command
>
> diff %f %D/%f  (compare file under cursor in the current panel with
> file with the same name in the other panel).

I do this in the edit menu, so I can simply hit F2, then d or D (I commented
the default d and D entries). I also colourised the output to make the changes
stand out, like when you open up a patch file in mcedit:

+ t r & ! t t
d   Diff against file of same name in other directory
if [ "%d" = "%D" ]; then
  echo "The two directores must be different"
  exit 1
fi
if [ -f %D/%f ]; then# if two of them, then
  diff -up %f %D/%f | sed -e 's/\(^-.*\)/\x1b[1;31m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
  -e 's/\(^\+.*\)/\x1b[1;32m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
  -e 's/\([EMAIL 
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else
  echo %f: No copy in %D/%f
fi

D   Diff current directory against other directory
if [ "%d" = "%D" ]; then
  echo "The two directores must be different"
  exit 1
fi
diff -up %d %D | sed -e 's/\(^-.*\)/\x1b[1;31m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
 -e 's/\(^\+.*\)/\x1b[1;32m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
 -e 's/\([EMAIL PROTECTED])/\x1b[36m\1\x1b[0m/g' | 
less -R
fi

To edit your menu file, go to "Command" | "Edit Menu File" and select "Home".

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.2 is done

[Stan Glasoe]

On Tuesday December 5 2006 12:04 pm, Bruce Smith wrote:
> > We've mastered yesterday openSUSE 10.2 RC5 and declared it as
> > goldmaster.
>
> "RC5"???  I haven't been following 10.2 development very closely, and
> opensuse.org seems to show RC1 being the latest available to download.
>  I can't even seem to find RC2-RC4.
>
>  - BS

Depends on the amount of time left between RC1 and Release Date as to how 
many other 'public' RC's we will see out here. Internally they do more RC's 
in the final weeks/days that we don't see out here. From what they've said 
in the past these are mostly cosmetic, last minute fixes that we hope don't 
impact us too much out here.

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Re: [opensuse] question re local update/installation servers

[Rauch Christian]

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> rsync would be ideal, but my understanding is that very few mirrors
> offer rsync. I can find plenty of HTTP/FTP mirrors, but not rsync. Is
> there a list of rsync mirrors somewhere?

Not to my knowledge, sorry. I know, that ftp.gwdg.de does, thats enough
for me ;)

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Re: [opensuse] ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2 (SOLVED well, eh...)

[George Stoianov]

On 12/5/06, Verner Kjærsgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tirsdag den 5. december 2006 13:45 skrev Verner Kjærsgaard:
> Hi list,
>
> on SuSE10.1 AND the new SuSE10.2 (rc1) I've noticed that on my IBM ThinkPad
> R50 with an ATI Radeon RV250 Lf display (1400 x 1050), the installation
> sets the refresh rate to 75Hz.
>
> This causes the driver circuit in my machine to go mad in about 30 minutes
> from power on. The screen will gradually degrade with horizontal flashing
> lines and eventually become completely useless.
>
> If I (YaST) set down the refresh rate to 60Hz the screen will stay on just
> fine. But when moving windows around, it doesn't really look good, all
> vertical lines are distorted with small pieces of "horizontal noice" to
> them.
>
> On SUSE10 this never happened.
>
> Any ideas?
>
Hi list

- thank you for the answer. I actually don't know if I really have such an ATI
card in my IBM Thinkpad R50Don't know really how to find out...


use lspci
george
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[opensuse] bittorrent client of choice for pulling 10.2?

[Greg Freemyer]

All,

Is there a bittorrent client of choice these days.

I used Azureus to pull 9.3 and ktorrent to pull 10.1

Azureus seemed to be the better of the two, but I don't know if
anything has changed or maybe there is something new.

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[opensuse] VMWare Full-screen problems with nvidia binary driver

[Don Raboud]

Hello all,

This may not be the best place to ask this, but its not entirely 
inappropriate.

I have recently downloaded the free VMServer, created a virtual machine and 
installed XP Pro.  When I try to switch to full screen mode (using the 
toolbar or CRTL-ALT-)  not only does this *spectacularly* fail to 
work, but I am kicked out of my KDE session and wind up back at the kdm login 
screen.  Not Good.  This is using the nvidia binary driver (1.0-9629).

However, if I change the screen resolution in XP to match what my monitor is 
using (1280x1024) *before* switching to full screen mode, the full screen 
works OK, but then of course the non-full screen view requires scroll bars to 
navigate the desktop.

If I switch to the supplied open nv driver, the full screen mode works fine, 
regardless of the selected resolution of XP (at least the ones I have tried).  
The monitor switches to 800x600 for example and the XP "desktop" fills the 
entire screen.  In the non-full screen view the XP desktop just sits inside 
the VMware application as I would expect it to.

I suppose this could be a bug in the binary nvidia driver, but it might also 
have something to do with my particular settings. I am just not very familiar 
with virtual machines so I though I would ask here.  Anyone else seeing this 
behavior?

kde 3.5.5 release "45.1"
VMware 1.01
nvidia driver 1.0-9629
kernel 2.6.16.21-0.21-smp

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Re: [opensuse] xmms and mp3 - RC1

[Jan Engelhardt]

>> >Just add this packman mirror to your installation sources :
>>
>> No, that would pull in a bunch of unnecessary packages. Until smart
>> supports the "experimental" channel, it's deactivated.
>
>No it does not "pull in a bunch of unnecessary packages".
>
>Where did you get the impression that everything in a repository
>is "pulled in"?


19:49 ah:~ # smart channel --enable packman

19:49 ah:~ # smart upgrade
Loading cache...
Updating cache...    [100%]

Computing transaction...

Upgrading packages (16):
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Installing packages (5):
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21.0MB of package files are needed. 36.8MB will be used.

Confirm changes? (Y/n): 




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Re: [opensuse] VMWare Full-screen problems with nvidia binary driver

[John Andersen]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:49, Don Raboud wrote:
> However, if I change the screen resolution in XP to match what my monitor
> is using (1280x1024) *before* switching to full screen mode, the full
> screen works OK, but then of course the non-full screen view requires
> scroll bars to navigate the desktop.

Did you install vmware tools in the Virtual machine?

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Re: [opensuse] bittorrent client of choice for pulling 10.2?

[Christoph Thiel]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:38:09PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

> Is there a bittorrent client of choice these days.
> 
> I used Azureus to pull 9.3 and ktorrent to pull 10.1
> 
> Azureus seemed to be the better of the two, but I don't know if
> anything has changed or maybe there is something new.

I currently prefer rtorrent.


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Re: [opensuse] bittorrent client of choice for pulling 10.2?

[John Andersen]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:38, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
>
> Is there a bittorrent client of choice these days.
>
> I used Azureus to pull 9.3 and ktorrent to pull 10.1
>
> Azureus seemed to be the better of the two, but I don't know if
> anything has changed or maybe there is something new.

The latest Ktorrent 2.1.beta1 (which I had to build from tar ball because I
couldn't find any RPMs) is very nice, and much faster than 1.x

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Access to SMB share from Konqueror / Krusader in 10.0 fails

[Mark Goldstein]

On 12/5/06, James Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Monday 04 December 2006 2:49 pm, Mark Goldstein wrote:
> On 12/4/06, Mark Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm (still) using SuSE 10.0 (i386) on my home desktop.
> > Other box runs Win2000 and has a number of shares (directories and
> > printer). When I'm trying to browse smb shares using Konqueror, I see
> > correct workgroup, then correct host name, but after clicking on this
> > host I'm getting the dialog box:
> >
> >Internal Error

> Mark Goldstein

Mark, have you tried entering the entire address to the share?  For instance,
on my home network I have a box running XP.  I open Konqueror and in the
address box I type:

smb://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/C$/shared

and I immediately am prompted for a username and password.  I enter those and
have access to the share.

- James W.
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That's working!
smb://host/share -- OK
smb://host -- returns the error. So when I'm browsing and click on
host, it actually tries this last form.

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Re: [opensuse] xmms and mp3 - RC1

[John Andersen]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:51, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> >> >Just add this packman mirror to your installation sources :
> >>
> >> No, that would pull in a bunch of unnecessary packages. Until smart
> >> supports the "experimental" channel, it's deactivated.
> >
> >No it does not "pull in a bunch of unnecessary packages".
> >
> >Where did you get the impression that everything in a repository
> >is "pulled in"?
>
> 19:49 ah:~ # smart channel --enable packman
>
> 19:49 ah:~ # smart upgrade
> Loading cache...
> Updating cache...   
> [100%]
>
> Computing transaction...
>
> Upgrading packages (16):
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Installing packages (5):
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 21.0MB of package files are needed. 36.8MB will be used.

So what's you point?

Packman has newer packages and it upgrades those.  
You don't have to accept any given upgrade if you don't want.

These have dependencies, which are also satisfied.

That list is FAR from the total packages on packman.

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Re: [opensuse] Find process using a mount?

[Jan Engelhardt]

On Dec 4 2006 12:40, Anders Norrbring wrote:
> Thanks to all of you..
> Now the second problem is growing the xfs file system mounted.. I added a new
> disk to the lv, remounted the lvm volume (mounted by iSCSI) and issued
> xfs_growfs /iscsi. Nothing happened.
> Next I did xfs_growfs -d /iscsi, still nothing.
> How annoying these things tends to be...

These things may sound simple-stupid, but the obligatory 
question is:

 - does `fdisk -l /dev/yourlvmdevice` show the new "disk" size?

 - did the 1K-blocks value in `df` grow?


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[opensuse] Re: [SLE] SUSE9.3 - SUSE Plugger problem with USB Serial port cable

[Bruce Samhaber]

Hi, 

Here is some more info on this that might help someone. Note that I was 
previously using SUSE 9.3 and am now using SUSE 10.1.

The Serial Port number was increased was because I had a link to /dev/ttyUSB0 
/dev # ls -als | grep USB
0 lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root12 2006-11-28 10:44 pilot -> /dev/ttyUSB0
0 crw-rw   1 root  uucp  188,   0 2006-11-27 16:12 ttyUSB0

When the USB Serial port cable is unplugged and re-inserted then it (usbfs) 
would create a new device /dev/ttyUSB1, however, if the USB Serial cable is 
removed then this new device disappears. Therefore, I guessed 
that /dev/ttyUSB0 is not being removed because it is in use, or appears to be 
because of the link. Removal of the link to /dev/ttyUSB0 fixed the problem. 

Note that to get Kpilot to work, it must be pointed directly to /dev/ttyUSB0. 

However, for the same reason if there is an application that is pointing at 
the device then the application needs to be terminated to allow the device to 
be released so that it can be reassigned by usbfs.

It would be nice if the usbfs module would send a popup window message to the 
appropriate user (or all users) that the device has been removed and that 
application "" is still using the device.

Cheers, I hope this helps someone.



On Friday 03 March 2006 00:54, Bruce Samhaber wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am using a USB to Serial port cable. Initially when I start the computer
> and linux then insert the USB Serial port cable the device is set
> as /dev/ttyUSB0.  If the USB Serial Port cable is removed then reinserted
> it becomes /dev/ttyUSB1. Each time the USB Port cable is removed then
> reinserted the device name is increased by one.
>
> It appears to me that upon removeal of the device that SUSE Plugger is no
> removeing the device from the device list.
>
> Has anyone seen this problem?
> Does anyone have any suggestions to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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Re: [opensuse] ATI radeon 75/60 hz issue on SuSE10.2 (SOLVED, absolutely :-))

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Tirsdag den 5. december 2006 19:36 skrev George Stoianov:
> On 12/5/06, Verner Kjærsgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tirsdag den 5. december 2006 13:45 skrev Verner Kjærsgaard:
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > on SuSE10.1 AND the new SuSE10.2 (rc1) I've noticed that on my IBM
> > > ThinkPad R50 with an ATI Radeon RV250 Lf display (1400 x 1050), the
> > > installation sets the refresh rate to 75Hz.
> > >
> > > This causes the driver circuit in my machine to go mad in about 30
> > > minutes from power on. The screen will gradually degrade with
> > > horizontal flashing lines and eventually become completely useless.
> > >
> > > If I (YaST) set down the refresh rate to 60Hz the screen will stay on
> > > just fine. But when moving windows around, it doesn't really look good,
> > > all vertical lines are distorted with small pieces of "horizontal
> > > noice" to them.
> > >
> > > On SUSE10 this never happened.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > Hi list
> >
> > - thank you for the answer. I actually don't know if I really have such
> > an ATI card in my IBM Thinkpad R50Don't know really how to find
> > out...
>
> use lspci
> george

To all in this thread...thanks again.

This is my ThinkPad card: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 
Radeon R250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02). Everythings works like a breeze.

And the ThinkWiki is bookmarked, it's a gem!

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Re: [opensuse] VMWare Full-screen problems with nvidia binary driver

[Don Raboud]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 11:52, John Andersen wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:49, Don Raboud wrote:
> > However, if I change the screen resolution in XP to match what my monitor
> > is using (1280x1024) *before* switching to full screen mode, the full
> > screen works OK, but then of course the non-full screen view requires
> > scroll bars to navigate the desktop.
>
> Did you install vmware tools in the Virtual machine?

I hadn't originally (I did say I did not know much about virtual machines) but 
after your response I have..

Installing vmtools does seem to improve the overall appearance and usability 
of the vm, but the full-screen issue still remains.  Switching into full 
screen mode results in being kicked out of the kde session entirely.

Any other ideas?

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Re: [opensuse] Which Shell do I Have?

[James Knott]

Kai Ponte wrote:
I'm trying to run FlightGear. I saw an article - 
http://applications.linux.com/applications/06/11/20/0533247.shtml?tid=8&tid=49 
- on Linux.com yesterday about it and was reminded. I think I had it on my 
9.3 system then forgot about it until now. 

Looking, I didn't see any installation for it under 10.1 so I installed it 
from source. (I didn't realize something could still take 20 minutes to 
comple, as the main program did.)


In the instructions, it tells me to make some environment variable changes. 
However, it has one set for a Borne Shell and another set for a C shell. 


Which do I have?

  
Unless you've changed it, you likely have the default bash (Bourne Again 
SHell).


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Re: [opensuse] Home network problem

[Mike McMullin]

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 12:43 +0100, zoran korac wrote:
> --- 209.97.46.5 ping statistics ---
> 120 packets transmitted, 120 received, 0% packet loss, time 119019ms
> 
> --- www.usatoday.com ping statistics ---
> 7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6007ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 165.125/165.926/166.666/0.629 ms
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>   
> 
> Is this good enough?
> 
> zoran

  I cannot complain seeing as my ping resulted in:
ping 209.97.46.5
PING 209.97.46.5 (209.97.46.5) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 209.97.46.5: icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=163 ms
64 bytes from 209.97.46.5: icmp_seq=2 ttl=240 time=157 ms
64 bytes from 209.97.46.5: icmp_seq=3 ttl=240 time=161 ms
64 bytes from 209.97.46.5: icmp_seq=4 ttl=240 time=164 ms

--- 209.97.46.5 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3014ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 157.061/161.535/164.755/2.920 ms

  But this does not answer DNS resolution, did you use ping
someplace.onnet or the 4d address (i.e. 209.97.46.5)?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 12:06, Mike McMullin Schreef:
> > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 05:55 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:10 -0600, M Harris wrote:
> > > > On Monday 04 December 2006 19:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > The suse box can ping the router and open the administration of the
> > > > > network through the default gateway of the router.  Any attempt to
> > > > > reach the internet results is www. can not be found. 
> > > > > /etc/resolv.conf changes dynamically and shows the ISP in the search
> > > > > line and their 2 nameservers, also.  Still not joy.
> > > >
> > > > Can you ping an outside address:
> > > >
> > > > ping 209.97.46.5
> > > >
> > > > This is the address for www.usatoday.com.
> > > >
> > > > If you can ping the outside address, but can not ping
> > > > www.usatoday.com, then there is something wrong with your name
> > > > resolution... and
> > > > probably /etc/resolv.conf is the problem.
> > >
> > >   That file should point to the router, the router should get the
> > > dynamic name server information from the ISP.  I have a similar
> > > intermittent problem with my SMC4008ABR.  Other than forcing the name
> > > server information into the Config file (via YaST) I have found that
> > > dis-connecting the DSL connection, and then reconnecting, using it's
> > > administration software, to be a cure.
> > >
> > >
> > > {snip}
> >
> >Just a followup on a couple of thins I read after posting this.  Your
> > Linux system worked find until recently, and recently there was a major
> > storm in your area.  Is it possible that your NIC is fried and you are
> > getting intermittent connections with it?  When I get the network is
> > unreachable problem, I usually open YaST delete the network card
> > information, and then re-install the network card.  YaST picks up the
> > info and I get a network connect again.  IT's not pretty but could be
> > informative.

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Re: [opensuse] VMWare Full-screen problems with nvidia binary driver

[Stephan Binner]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 19:49, Don Raboud wrote:

> nvidia driver 1.0-9629

Try 9631 - it fixes some fullscreen X.org crash bug.

Bye,
   Steve
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Re: [opensuse] Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?

[jfweber]

On Mon December 4 2006 1:41 am, Basil Chupin skratched these words onto a 
coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
> Mathias Homann wrote:
> > Am Montag, 4. Dezember 2006 07:10 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
> >> The Novell site seems to strongly emphasize SLES and SLED, but
> >> eventually I found ,
> >> which mentions only 10.1. But given the proximity of the 10.2
> >> release, I don't understand why it (10.2) is not mentioned there.
> >
> > back in the olden days, when 10.1 was new, it took the
> > novell "webmaster" several weeks, if not months, to make the website
> > become aware of that, too...
> >
> > bye,
> > MH
>
> To which I have to reply: That is PATHETIC!
>
> Someone at Novell must be retired because of this.
>
> BC

If they are still letting Digital River handle stuff the whole board 
should go...  That is the one web co. around forever, that never 
ever got it's act together.. must be hiring kids in school, grade school 
( k-6 IIRC) Tho the kids can't be past grade one or two, since they would 
get bored w/ the work and go home! ( bored because their (DR) stuff just 
never gets better.. ) 

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Re: [opensuse] education

[Jan Engelhardt]

On Dec 4 2006 18:37, Rajko M wrote:
>On Monday 04 December 2006 09:22, James Tremblay wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> There is a new page on OpenSUSE,
>> http://en.opensuse.org/Education
>> please sign in and help us out.
>> JT
>
>Nice idea, but I guess that you have to wait some time until people that have 
>interest and time join your project. That is the case with almost any 
>project. BTW, to me "The openSUSE Educator" sounds good as a name. 

Agree, but the intertwangled short name "suseucator" is a verbal mishap. 
"suseducator" was probably intended.



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Re: [opensuse] Apache2 SIGSEGVs on SuSE 10.1

[poeml]

On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 02:42:53AM +0100, Patrick Schoenbach wrote:
> I am using apache2 out of the box on SuSE 10.1, nothing changed, but it
> always SIGSEGVs on every access. What could be wrong?

Start with
rpm -qa --last | grep apache
a2enmod -l
tail /var/log/apache2/error_log

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Re: [opensuse] article about Midnight Commander

[Mark Goldstein]

On 12/5/06, James Oakley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 8:17 am, Mark Goldstein wrote:
> On 12/5/06, Lev Lafayette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Midnight Commander is a *great* interface. For those old MS-DOS heads
> > from the eighties, it's like Xtree Pro/Gold, but *better*.
>
> Well, Norton Commander is closer to MC than Xtree.
>
> One very powerful feature of MC is "macro" parameters. I'm using it quite
> often. E.g. I have different releases in 2 directories and I want to check
> differences between files one by one. I'm opening these directories in 2
> panels and use command
>
> diff %f %D/%f  (compare file under cursor in the current panel with
> file with the same name in the other panel).

I do this in the edit menu, so I can simply hit F2, then d or D (I commented
the default d and D entries). I also colourised the output to make the changes
stand out, like when you open up a patch file in mcedit:

+ t r & ! t t
d   Diff against file of same name in other directory
if [ "%d" = "%D" ]; then
  echo "The two directores must be different"
  exit 1
fi
if [ -f %D/%f ]; then# if two of them, then
  diff -up %f %D/%f | sed -e 's/\(^-.*\)/\x1b[1;31m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
  -e 's/\(^\+.*\)/\x1b[1;32m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
  -e 's/\([EMAIL 
PROTECTED])/\x1b[36m\1\x1b[0m/g' | less -R
else
  echo %f: No copy in %D/%f
fi

D   Diff current directory against other directory
if [ "%d" = "%D" ]; then
  echo "The two directores must be different"
  exit 1
fi
diff -up %d %D | sed -e 's/\(^-.*\)/\x1b[1;31m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
 -e 's/\(^\+.*\)/\x1b[1;32m\1\x1b[0m/g' \
 -e 's/\([EMAIL PROTECTED])/\x1b[36m\1\x1b[0m/g' | 
less -R
fi

To edit your menu file, go to "Command" | "Edit Menu File" and select "Home".

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Re: [opensuse] How much memory does Suse need?

[Carl William Spitzer IV]

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 13:06 -0600, M Harris wrote:
>   I mean, how in the world is M$ going to compete with an OS that runs 
> four 
> times faster on existing hardware for a fraction of the money???  Do any of 
> you see my point???

Mickey$oft has the best marketing department bar none.  No American
politician not even the Kennedy family has a better damage control aka
spin machine.  Microsoft is better at propaganda than CBS, ABC, NBC,
MSNBC, LA TIMES, NY TIMES etc combined.

At Christmas people by the sizzle not the steak.  Makes one wonder if BG
is a Ferengi or at least has memorized the rules of acquisition.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: How much memory does Suse need?

[Carl William Spitzer IV]

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 23:04 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> To work with openSUSE in Graphical KDE Mode, you will need about
> Pentium III 450 MHz Computer + 256 MB of RAM + 10 GB Hard Disk.
> 
> This is the recommended workable minimum, below which the OS will be slow.

Looks like Ill have to stick to 10.0 for this PII 350 with 256mb until I
get some more memory.  In 9.2 it was slowing if I ran evolution in KDE
so now I use gnome much of the time unless I need good file management.


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Re: [opensuse] How much memory does Suse need?

[Carl William Spitzer IV]

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 23:14 +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 11:52 -0600, M Harris wrote:
> > How much memory does Suse need?   hahahahahahahhah ehem.
> > 
> > "Performance of Vista is highly dependent upon how much memory is installed 
> > in 
> > the PC. For Vista, the minimum is 1 gigabyte (GB) of RAM
> 
> And there I thought 64K was more than enough for anyone.

It was when I had a TRS80-4P
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Re: [opensuse] xmms and mp3 - RC1

[jfweber]

On Sun December 3 2006 10:53 am, Jan Engelhardt skratched these words onto 
a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
> >> Uh, I tend to disagree. On 10.1, I could install
> >> i586/xmms-1.2.10-103.pm.1.i586.rpm and
> >> i586/xmms-lib-1.2.10-103.pm.1.i586.rpm and everything worked. Now
> >> being on 10.2 RC1, installing i586/xmms-1.2.10-200.pm.1.i586.rpm and
> >> i586/xmms-lib-1.2.10-200.pm.1.i586.rpm does not help. packman does
> >> not have any libmad, so what to do?
> >
> >http://packman.links2linux.de/package/mad
>
> Did not help. xmms, xmms-lib and mad installed but xmms skips all mp3
> stuff.
> But the problem lies therein that pack101/i586/xmms-lib.rpm contains
> libmpg123.so, while pack102/i586/xmms-lib.rpm does not.
> It landed in xmms-devel! wt?
>
>   -`J'
 yeah, here too.. also audacity crashes so I can't even change them to 
another format that Xmms will like... Audacity updated yesterday to one 
that now noticed that lame is installed. Not that it helps much ;/
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j
like the gecko behind the painting w/ hidden wisdom to impart. In a world 
that needs more dancing, she's a hula girl at heart. Photographs show she 
is lovely. Her bare feet are a work of art. her fragrance speaks of 
frangipani and, she's still a hula girl at heart.
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