Re: [opensuse] Re: MTBF was: Re: About Backing Up
David Brodbeck wrote: John Andersen wrote: Bad analogy. You don't get a new life from an insurance policy. You do get a new drive from a warranty. Actually, you don't get a new drive. You get someone else's broken drive that's been factory refurbished. At least from every manufacturer I've ever dealt with. So, the insurance companies should give you a refurbished life back? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: MTBF was: Re: About Backing Up
John Andersen wrote: Bad analogy. You don't get a new life from an insurance policy. You do get a new drive from a warranty. Actually, you don't get a new drive. You get someone else's broken drive that's been factory refurbished. At least from every manufacturer I've ever dealt with. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Andersen wrote: Seagate offers 5 year warranties on sata these days. When it comes to buying drives, given two offerings with close-enough specs, I always go for the longer warranty. Any minor saving in price today will be lost when the drive fails in three years instead of 5 or 8. Hi, While it is always a good thing to have a longer warranty, I wonder what the perception of warranty is. Ex. I had drives fail well within the warranty timeframe. And it just means that you get your drive replaced or your money back. IMHO it does not necessarily mean that the drive will be more reliable. regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 23 February 2007, Eberhard Roloff wrote: John Andersen wrote: Seagate offers 5 year warranties on sata these days. When it comes to buying drives, given two offerings with close-enough specs, I always go for the longer warranty. Any minor saving in price today will be lost when the drive fails in three years instead of 5 or 8. Hi, While it is always a good thing to have a longer warranty, I wonder what the perception of warranty is. Ex. I had drives fail well within the warranty timeframe. And it just means that you get your drive replaced or your money back. IMHO it does not necessarily mean that the drive will be more reliable. Well that's about as cynical a viewpoint as I can imagine. They are warranting to me that I will have the use of their drive for 5 years for the same money that their competition will only warrant for 2 or 3 years. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Andersen wrote: On Friday 23 February 2007, Eberhard Roloff wrote: John Andersen wrote: Seagate offers 5 year warranties on sata these days. When it comes to buying drives, given two offerings with close-enough specs, I always go for the longer warranty. Any minor saving in price today will be lost when the drive fails in three years instead of 5 or 8. Hi, While it is always a good thing to have a longer warranty, I wonder what the perception of warranty is. Ex. I had drives fail well within the warranty timeframe. And it just means that you get your drive replaced or your money back. IMHO it does not necessarily mean that the drive will be more reliable. Well that's about as cynical a viewpoint as I can imagine. They are warranting to me that I will have the use of their drive for 5 years for the same money that their competition will only warrant for 2 or 3 years. I fully agree that the money/year ratio is far better with longer warranty coverage. However my point was that the disks will not always be more reliable. At least this is my experience, no cynicism intended. cu EbR -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: MTBF was: Re: About Backing Up
Eberhard Roloff wrote: John Andersen wrote: Seagate offers 5 year warranties on sata these days. When it comes to buying drives, given two offerings with close-enough specs, I always go for the longer warranty. Any minor saving in price today will be lost when the drive fails in three years instead of 5 or 8. Hi, While it is always a good thing to have a longer warranty, I wonder what the perception of warranty is. Ex. I had drives fail well within the warranty timeframe. And it just means that you get your drive replaced or your money back. IMHO it does not necessarily mean that the drive will be more reliable. Warranties give the manufacturer an incentive to make drives that will outlast the warranty period. Handling replacements or refunds costs far more than any profit they might have made. Warranties are not a guarantee that no drive will fail in that time. Only that they'll be replaced, repaired or refunded. So, longer warranties simply mean that most drives will last to the end of the longer warranty period. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jdd wrote: James Knott wrote: Warranties give the manufacturer an incentive to make drives that will outlast the warranty period. of course So, longer warranties simply mean that most drives will last to the end of the longer warranty period. of course not. Having a life insurance don't mean you will live longer... this is better only if the street price is the same and if you can be sure your dealer will still be here then (I have a lifetime waranty ram on my desk nobody want to take back) jdd Although you can purchase insurance type warranties, you can't really compare life insurance with a product warranty. We all know that most of us will die eventually and insurance only helps with the financial details, supporting family etc. A warranty offered by the manufacturer states that they believe the device has some expected lifetime and with replace it if it fails sooner. They have a financial incentive to ensure too many devices don't fail prematurely, as replacements cost more than they earned on the sale. If they cut back on quality, they can expect the warranty costs to climb. The only thing comparable in life insurance, would be premium adjustments, based on life style i.e. non-smokers etc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Saturday 24 February 2007, jdd wrote: So, longer warranties simply mean that most drives will last to the end of the longer warranty period. of course not. Having a life insurance don't mean you will live longer... Bad analogy. You don't get a new life from an insurance policy. You do get a new drive from a warranty. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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James Knott wrote: Although you can purchase insurance type warranties, you can't really compare life insurance with a product warranty. We all know that most of us will die eventually most HDrive will die :-(, the only question is when? same for us. for any manufacturer any _long_ term waranty is a bet on the future. They bet the additional benefit from additional sells will take over the drawback of disk failure. disk makers are few and we can hope they can survive more than 5 years (the maker, not the drive :-), but it's only a bet. you may be quite sure the _dealer_ you buy the drive from will not be alive in 5 years, hope the maker will... see your insurance dealer, you _can_ take a life insurance _for your drive_, may be it will be cheaper than the extra cost from the manufacturer In fact I barely understand why all these usb cheap drives are not raid 1, because nobody care is the drive, but cares on the data :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
