Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not > accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or > postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why. Either better laws protecting their interest of the cards vig is too much. Local donut shops charge extra fees to use ATM and try with the credit cards, though the latter is illegal. -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ || | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-03-26 at 23:42 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote: > > Well, this gang manufactured so good devices that they did an extra > > business out of selling the devices... This is not SciFi, it is happening. > > My father was stolen 1200 eur this way. And it is a sophisticated method. > > As seen on CSI. I suffered it first hand before seeing it on CSI - which in fact, I haven't. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGCOYHtTMYHG2NR9URAhL8AJ0TtCwCA/H1vLQtAaoj6BTQjBzQ8gCfZLrn LcS8xwO4eBCYqi9eAlDUIws= =+ag2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-03-26 at 19:09 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: > > No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know > > previously, but never from private people. > As credit card transactions usually incur a charge (either directly or > indirectly) for the recipient, which is why in the UK some smaller shops > shops and businesses set a minimum transaction limit, below which they > either decline the transaction, or apply a processing charge. Suspect > the same applies elsewhere... No, that would be directly illegal in Spain. They can't apply extra charges nor different prices, nor reject the transaction once the have the sign "credit cards accepted" on the door. And if that were the reason, they would accept cards for larger purchases. My guess is that they have been bitten and don't trust the system. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGCHGQtTMYHG2NR9URAo4RAJ9hU5uy1wiKi/PDZzTJsZrvsEd3ZwCdE8qN u/kTRI4VIREftn48tIgcaOQ= =/Ede -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
Carlos E. R. wrote: > > The Monday 2007-03-26 at 08:59 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: > > >> By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that > does not > >> accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank > transfer, or > >> postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why. > >> > > Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card > > trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and > maintain. > > No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know > previously, but never from private people. As credit card transactions usually incur a charge (either directly or indirectly) for the recipient, which is why in the UK some smaller shops shops and businesses set a minimum transaction limit, below which they either decline the transaction, or apply a processing charge. Suspect the same applies elsewhere... It makes sense for a business to keep the regular customers happy. > > Ie, they do it on purpose. > begin:vcard fn:Graham T. Smith n:Smith;Graham T. adr:Barton upon Humber;;90 Bowmandale;;North Lincs.;DN18 5EA;UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07876793607 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon 26 Mar 2007 07:59, G.T.Smith wrote: > >> Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card >> trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and >> maintain. >> > > > - I do not understand the trader account machinery . . . maybe using > PayPal can work good? > > > To clarify, a credit card trader account is a credit account which allows you to accept payments from other credit cards or in some cases debit bank accounts (you need to hire or purchase equipment to process transactions). As banking practices and regulations differ in different parts of the world, exactly what you get and what it is called will vary. Then there are third parties that will process such transactions and transfer any proceeds to a bank account of your choice. These are different to a credit card trader accounts. Both effectively take a slice of the transaction, and may involve a standing charge. While paypal does perform the latter to some extent; it is limited, a bit dodgy on security, and personally negative thoughts involving 'touching with long barge poles' come to mind. > .. > > friendly greetings > begin:vcard fn:Graham T. Smith n:Smith;Graham T. adr:Barton upon Humber;;90 Bowmandale;;North Lincs.;DN18 5EA;UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07876793607 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
On Mon 26 Mar 2007 07:59, G.T.Smith wrote: > Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card > trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and > maintain. - I do not understand the trader account machinery . . . maybe using PayPal can work good? .. friendly greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-03-26 at 08:59 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: > > By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not > > accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or > > postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why. > > > Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card > trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain. No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know previously, but never from private people. Ie, they do it on purpose. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGB598tTMYHG2NR9URAq1aAJ0dFkt8VfFDZsCDN35qZrWwJ3ggywCffbcK jdnrjCtSXVlat/GMM0CY6tw= =bkCD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
Carlos E. R. wrote: > > The Sunday 2007-03-25 at 13:19 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: > > >> No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that > they can't > >> force you to give up the pin. For instance :-) > > The problem with that is that many times, all you need to buy with a > credit > > card is the number, name of the holder, and expiration date, and all > those > > can be found on the card > > > Insane, I know > > Yep. > > Unless the owner has time the same day to denounce the card loss to the > company. > > By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not > accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or > postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why. > > Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain. begin:vcard fn:Graham T. Smith n:Smith;Graham T. adr:Barton upon Humber;;90 Bowmandale;;North Lincs.;DN18 5EA;UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07876793607 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-03-25 at 13:19 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: > > No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that they can't > > force you to give up the pin. For instance :-) > > The problem with that is that many times, all you need to buy with a credit > card is the number, name of the holder, and expiration date, and all those > can be found on the card > > Insane, I know Yep. Unless the owner has time the same day to denounce the card loss to the company. By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBoy7tTMYHG2NR9URAspBAJ9lavttRJsaqcF9z5BDQijS2SX+xwCeNQmF eGnnz46f4Go1oEmLYOG1D+c= =UeQk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I have stopped using credit cards. > > Some one duplicated my late father credit card and stole us 1200 Eur in > two days, the maximum for the card. The bank refused to return the money > back and we had to fight for it for months, and we only got about 60% back > (we did not want to go to court). Well we had a similar incident this very week. But to show you the difference between banks and card companies, the first person to spot fraudulent use of our card was the credit card company. They called us, can informed us the card number was used fraudulently in different places, and they had canceled the card and we would have a new one by express delivery the next day. We were stuck with no charges at all. Their computers detected unusual buying practices, and kicked it out for review by humans. Scarry to some I suppose. The particular Fraudster scam that was done goes something like this... Somehow get the card number and name/address and three digit code, probably by breaking into some on-line web site where a legitimate purchase was made... Visit a Best-Buy web site, and order a bunch of stuff, then check the box saying you will pick it up at so-and-such branch. So-and-such branch do not check that carefully, and deliver the goods to anyone having the print out of the on-line receipt that matches their computerized order. Best Buy is being heavily leaned on to dis-continue this practice but so far they think its worth it to them to eat the fraud loss. -- _ John Andersen pgpROl7fd1OKy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer [getting OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 08:54 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > Over here Visa is running TV advertisements about how joyous and > wonderful your life will be if when you use their fingerprint readers > to confirm your Visa card purchases. It's also brings the joyful > spending of money by everyone around you to a screeching, grinding halt > if you pay with cash. I have stopped using credit cards. Some one duplicated my late father credit card and stole us 1200 Eur in two days, the maximum for the card. The bank refused to return the money back and we had to fight for it for months, and we only got about 60% back (we did not want to go to court). They used some kind of reader piggybacked on the bank hole on the wall. Agreed, biometric data would stop that kind of theft, probably (so would a smart chip, instead of a magnetic strip; but as they are more expensive banks don't use them). But I don't trust it. I trust the bad guys less, they will invent something else to part us from our money. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBU4OtTMYHG2NR9URAsItAJ9vC+MEU2IQ1c6DkjU/5DWanDoL/wCcDWqe FsCnrjfqK/jMl20i5TYTm5k= =SMZT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
