Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives
On Thursday 31 May 2007 00:45, Pueblo Native wrote: While not completely disagreeing with you, I think there are a couple of levels between professional publisher and home user. The most common one I would think of is a person who runs a small newsletter for an organization or club of some sort. They don't need _all_ the features of an InDesign, but they would like the publication to come off a little more professionally. Another group might be people that run a professional document, but infrequently (an annual or semi-annual report) and their primary business is not publishing. I really wouldn't want to shell out close to a grand for a program I use very infrequently. This is a long thread about something that seems to me to be a non-issue. Scribus does what you specify here, and is also intended for pro-am work where you hand things off to printers. It is cross-platform, handles PDFs to a very high standard, and is intended to work closely with Inkscape for non-photo graphics. Is there any reason why the OP, after having looked at it, is casting around (almost perversely, one might say) for something else? Scribus is very easy to use (my 13-year old found his way around it easily, and I can assure you I found it a lot easier than Microsoft Publisher), but has also been the basis for proper publishing work (there was a series in Linux Magazine last year from someone who was using it to publish a community newspaper in Belfast). So instead of spending time looking at alternatives which are not going to be as good, the OP would be better advised, IMO, to start experimenting with Scribus. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives
Carl Spitzer wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 18:43 +0200, jdd wrote: Ken Jennings wrote: wife's boss insisted their simple web site be done in publisher. what a horrible idea :-))) Cant we do that now in OOo for those not inclined to use text editors or Quanta? OOo is perfect for printing, sombody can export to html a document mainly done for printing. Using OOo as site generator is not a good idea. If you want to generate a site, nowaday, without html, better install a CMS. A very small one is PmWiki (http://pmwiki.org) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Carl Spitzer wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 18:43 +0200, jdd wrote: Ken Jennings wrote: wife's boss insisted their simple web site be done in publisher. what a horrible idea :-))) Cant we do that now in OOo for those not inclined to use text editors or Quanta? OOO generates horrible html as well, so I guess the answer is yes. :-) Regards, -- Jos van Kanregistered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives
Jos van Kan wrote: OOO generates horrible html as well, so I guess the answer is yes. :-) yes and no :-) OOo generates an html code that prints quite like OOo would print the page. You can have a little better code with starting directly an html page (not a text page) some years ago OOo couldn't use mor than one table level and _change_ any html page it reads accordingly The original StarOffice was a _very good_ frame editor (one could build frames and edit each frame in place), but this was dropped with OOo... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives
On Thursday 31 May 2007 09:52, jdd wrote: OOo generates an html code that prints quite like OOo would print the page. You can have a little better code with starting directly an html page (not a text page) It may not be too bad if you convert a finished page, but if you make corrections or changes, you will find that the yuckiness of the HTML increases exponentially :-) You can get situations where the font of a heading changes, for instance, and you can't change it back - the reason is usually because OOo has inserted some markup of its own (the dreaded span) which you can't get at unless you look at the code view. But if you have to do that, it's easier to use Quanta from the start. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Publisher Alternatives
Just for fun, I gave myself five minutes to see if I could create a OOo document with two colums, which were linked like in Publisher. In other words, when I type or resize one, the words spill over into the other frame. Sure enough, I did it in six minutes. On a blank page, I clicked on Insert Frame. I then resized my frame appropriately. I then added a whole bunch of text. I then added a picture as a second column to the page. I then added a second frame and under the Options tab of the frame's properties, I saw a Previous Link and Next Link I then linked the two frames and then resized the first. When I made the first frame smaller, the text auto-migrated over to the second frame. I'd now say OOo does 80% of what publisher did. I only need to see if it will do Word Art and cool borders. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Publisher Alternatives
On Thursday 31 May 2007 12:23, Kai Ponte wrote: Just for fun, I gave myself five minutes to see if I could create a OOo document with two colums, which were linked like in Publisher. In other words, when I type or resize one, the words spill over into the other frame. Sure enough, I did it in six minutes. On a blank page, I clicked on Insert Frame. I then resized my frame appropriately. I then added a whole bunch of text. I then added a picture as a second column to the page. I then added a second frame and under the Options tab of the frame's properties, I saw a Previous Link and Next Link I then linked the two frames and then resized the first. When I made the first frame smaller, the text auto-migrated over to the second frame. ... Did you try flowing text in this manner from one page to another? How about between non-contiguous pages? Can you mingle independent text flows within a given page? All of these capabilities would be necessary for something such as magazine, journal, newspaper or sometimes even simple newsletter publishing. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] Publisher Alternatives Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Just for fun, I gave myself five minutes to see if I could create a OOo document with two colums, which were linked like in Publisher. In other words, when I type or resize one, the words spill over into the other frame. Sure enough, I did it in six minutes. On a blank page, I clicked on Insert Frame. I then resized my frame appropriately. I then added a whole bunch of text. I then added a picture as a second column to the page. I then added a second frame and under the Options tab of the frame's properties, I saw a Previous Link and Next Link I then linked the two frames and then resized the first. When I made the first frame smaller, the text auto-migrated over to the second frame. I'd now say OOo does 80% of what publisher did. I only need to see if it will do Word Art and cool borders. Not to throw water on the fire... You can do a lot in a word processor such as 00o to create newsletter like documents and picture management. One editor who did my user group newsletter used WordPerfect and claimed that one reason she did was that the graphics quality she could get in WordPerfect was much better than in Publisher. However, managing her document when it came back to adding and rearranging things was not friendly, box tags would be on page, the contents would be on another, proof changes were H... Very inefficient. Scribus is available, coming of age, and I really would like to see how it holds up again PageMaker as a DTP and it would be really neat if I could move over my PM65 documents to Scribus. Clint -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, May 31, 2007 12:32 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 31 May 2007 12:23, Kai Ponte wrote: Did you try flowing text in this manner from one page to another? Yes, I tried that... How about between non-contiguous pages? ...tried that too... Can you mingle independent text lows within a given page? ...um...?? Listen, I'm a division manager. I am no longer technically minded and cannot comprehend such requests. :P All of these capabilities would be necessary for something such as magazine, journal, newspaper or sometimes even simple newsletter publishing. Understood, and I imagine very doable on SUSE. I haven't really tried Scribus but I remember some article about it in one of the Linux magazines last year. -- k making the impossible happen ahead of schedule -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives
On Friday 2007-05-25 08:41, Kai Ponte wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 7:57 pm, Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? AFAIK, no. There's really nothing that matches the simplicity and power of MS Publisher unfortunately. My wife just used it the other day for a open house flyer and my mom has it running in Crossover Office on her SUSE system. You can see a ongoing list of linux/windows alternatives here: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html It has been a little while since the last update, but they seem to be there on occasion. (Does it have to be free as in zero cost?) As far as DTP features go I'd recommend PageStream. http://www.grasshopperllc.com Other than low-end DTP work, don't use MS Publisher for anything else. My wife's boss insisted their simple web site be done in publisher. It looked OK, but I wondered why it took so long for the pages to load. I looked at the html and discovered that when Publisher exports to HTML it generates horribly bloated HTML and unnecessarily converts some text boxes to bitmaps. I rebuilt their web site using straight HTML and the new version was about 1 percent of the size of the Publisher version. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ken Jennings wrote: wife's boss insisted their simple web site be done in publisher. what a horrible idea :-))) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, May 30, 2007 9:15 am, Ken Jennings wrote: (Does it have to be free as in zero cost?) As far as DTP features go I'd recommend PageStream. http://www.grasshopperllc.com Well, I downloaded it. First impressions aren't that great, but I'm sure it would work. It didn't easily let me wrap text in a box nor did it have any templates for me to start from. On top of that, it is a SDI app - yech. I can't tell you how annoying SDI apps are to me. All the same, if I'm needing DTP, I might buy it. It would be worth $99 to give Linux DTP more support. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kai Ponte wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2007 9:15 am, Ken Jennings wrote: (Does it have to be free as in zero cost?) As far as DTP features go I'd recommend PageStream. http://www.grasshopperllc.com Well, I downloaded it. First impressions aren't that great, but I'm sure it would work. It didn't easily let me wrap text in a box nor did it have any templates for me to start from. On top of that, it is a SDI app - yech. I can't tell you how annoying SDI apps are to me. All the same, if I'm needing DTP, I might buy it. It would be worth $99 to give Linux DTP more support. I'm not completely biased against commercial software, but it would depend upon circumstances. I'm sure your going to have some people scratching their heads asking why they would delete publisher and purchase another program (as opposed to a free download like OpenOffice). Of course, if they're looking to buy or upgrade, it would be a whole different discussion. I guess it depends upon why they are moving. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 2007-05-30 14:34, Pueblo Native wrote: [...] I'm not completely biased against commercial software, but it would depend upon circumstances. I'm sure your going to have some people scratching their heads asking why they would delete publisher and purchase another program (as opposed to a free download like OpenOffice). Publisher is probably the worst part of the Microsoft Office suite. It just doesn't work for reasonably serious work or for things Microsoft touts as the target uses of Publisher. I wrote earlier about the lame web page export from publisher. My wife also designed some postcard mailers for her business using publisher. Don't let those registration marks in the output fool you -- the output from Publisher is completely unusable at every professional bulk printing service we tried. Output to postscript and/or converting that to PDF does not improve Publisher output usability either. In the end I did her postcards in OpenOffice. The only sticking point was determining exactly the page size to use. Once that was solved the OOo PDF files were good everywhere we tried to print them and the finished results were perfect. Publisher is unsuitable for anything other than the most simple DTP projects that you will output directly to your own printer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Onsdag 30 maj 2007 21:47 skrev Ken Jennings: On Wednesday 2007-05-30 14:34, Pueblo Native wrote: [...] I'm not completely biased against commercial software, but it would depend upon circumstances. I'm sure your going to have some people scratching their heads asking why they would delete publisher and purchase another program (as opposed to a free download like OpenOffice). Publisher is probably the worst part of the Microsoft Office suite. It just doesn't work for reasonably serious work or for things Microsoft touts as the target uses of Publisher. I wrote earlier about the lame web page export from publisher. My wife also designed some postcard mailers for her business using publisher. Don't let those registration marks in the output fool you -- the output from Publisher is completely unusable at every professional bulk printing service we tried. Output to postscript and/or converting that to PDF does not improve Publisher output usability either. In the end I did her postcards in OpenOffice. The only sticking point was determining exactly the page size to use. Once that was solved the OOo PDF files were good everywhere we tried to print them and the finished results were perfect. Publisher is unsuitable for anything other than the most simple DTP projects that you will output directly to your own printer. Please let me add to the above (very true) statement... MS-Publisher is a disaster in a number of ways. One of my very good friends is a virtual expert in MSP. He's done 1000s of hours of work in the programme, only to realize that NO printer will take his files. And they cannot be converted to anything proper without loosing contents and all. So now, when he is so dammed good at the programme, he realizes that all his expertize is lost due to a clear case of vendor lock-in. I said that to him 5 years ago. He didn't listen. The reason for not listening was simple, MSP is so simple to use, that it to the untrained it appears very attractive. Once trapped... My advice; Linux has got Scribus and propably others too, stick to them (or OO) and avoid MSP at all costs. As simple as that. -- - Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 12:15, Ken Jennings wrote: On Friday 2007-05-25 08:41, Kai Ponte wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 7:57 pm, Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? AFAIK, no. There's really nothing that matches the simplicity and power of MS Publisher unfortunately. My wife just used it the other day for a open house flyer and my mom has it running in Crossover Office on her SUSE system. You can see a ongoing list of linux/windows alternatives here: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html It has been a little while since the last update, but they seem to be there on occasion. (Does it have to be free as in zero cost?) As far as DTP features go I'd recommend PageStream. http://www.grasshopperllc.com Other than low-end DTP work, don't use MS Publisher for anything else. My wife's boss insisted their simple web site be done in publisher. It looked OK, but I wondered why it took so long for the pages to load. I looked at the html and discovered that when Publisher exports to HTML it generates horribly bloated HTML and unnecessarily converts some text boxes to bitmaps. I rebuilt their web site using straight HTML and the new version was about 1 percent of the size of the Publisher version. This may be heresy, but why not make a little money off of M/S? Sell them the revised code! Make them a reasonable offer based on the time you put in, and they'll probably buy it. Another thought: Copyright all the contributions you made--_ before _ you offer it. I'm not a lawyer, so you should check with one before proceeding. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 30 May 2007 15:56, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: Onsdag 30 maj 2007 21:47 skrev Ken Jennings: On Wednesday 2007-05-30 14:34, Pueblo Native wrote: [...] I'm not completely biased against commercial software, but it would depend upon circumstances. There have to be UNIX programs to do this. It is impossible for there not to be. So buy one. If it won't run on Linux, there are (relatively) cheap UNIX os's out there. I have Solaris, which I got for very little, but never installed. Yes, I know UNIX programs are horrendously expensive, but they are such because the purchasers are going to make a lot of money using them. (Does the expression Microsoft ring a bell?) If you really need a real publishing system, you are probably making money using it. Pay the tab. (As an aside, you probably got a free Photoshop teaser with your graphics card. The full program costs US$ 998.00, according to the latest BH catalog from New York.) --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Doug McGarrett wrote: Yes, I know UNIX programs are horrendously expensive, but they are such because the purchasers are going to make a lot of money using them. (Does the expression Microsoft ring a bell?) If you really need a real publishing system, you are probably making money using it. Pay the tab. While not completely disagreeing with you, I think there are a couple of levels between professional publisher and home user. The most common one I would think of is a person who runs a small newsletter for an organization or club of some sort. They don't need _all_ the features of an InDesign, but they would like the publication to come off a little more professionally. Another group might be people that run a professional document, but infrequently (an annual or semi-annual report) and their primary business is not publishing. I really wouldn't want to shell out close to a grand for a program I use very infrequently. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 18:43 +0200, jdd wrote: Ken Jennings wrote: wife's boss insisted their simple web site be done in publisher. what a horrible idea :-))) Cant we do that now in OOo for those not inclined to use text editors or Quanta? -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ || | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/||| |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 30 May 2007 19:45, Pueblo Native wrote: Doug McGarrett wrote: Yes, I know UNIX programs are horrendously expensive, but they are such because the purchasers are going to make a lot of money using them. (Does the expression Microsoft ring a bell?) If you really need a real publishing system, you are probably making money using it. Pay the tab. While not completely disagreeing with you, I think there are a couple of levels between professional publisher and home user. The most common one I would think of is a person who runs a small newsletter for an organization or club of some sort. They don't need _all_ the features of an InDesign, but they would like the publication to come off a little more professionally. Another group might be people that run a professional document, but infrequently (an annual or semi-annual report) and their primary business is not publishing. I really wouldn't want to shell out close to a grand for a program I use very infrequently. I am the editor of a very nice little newsletter, The Pedal Steel Newsletter, published by the Pedal Steel Guitar Association, Inc. It comes out 10 times a year, and runs 12 to 16 pages. It includes digital photographs, ads, and is published on a Macintosh, using M/S Word, and up to now, Pagemaker. Since Pagemaker is obsolete and not supported any more, it will go to Adobe InDesign, which costs around $270. InDesign runs on Mac Os X version 4, which is BSD UNIX, I believe. (A version also runs on Windows.) That does not mean it runs on Linux, of course, but it's a UNIX routine that is not at the $1K level. If enough Linux users asked, it might be ported. This program provides copy ready for a commercial printer. (We run about 1500 copies a month.) Oh, the PSGA is not making money on the publication; it is a dues-paying self-supporting non-profit organization. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pueblo Native wrote: jdd wrote: think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org. It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done... My original idea was that the biggest difference between these products was how they treated text. In a word processor, for instance, most of the time text was text. In a DTP product, on the other hand, text is a design element, just like photos and other graphics. That was my original concept, and I think that's pretty much gotten smashed. A publisher program is able to giv a large page with différent objects in it, like a news paper. Nearly any modern word processor can do so, that is have frames around a page with text, photos, titles, drawings... But on a news paper, on can see the beginning of an article on the front page and the following on an other page or on an other column of the same page OpenOffice is able to do so, thouhg not woth ease and when I tryed it (at least two years ago), this feature was biggy - I hope this is fixed now. Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use (I used it in classroom with pupils), much easier than PageMaker or Ventura (you see, I'm an old timer :-) I do not use such progamms for at least 3 years now, so I don't know what happen jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote: Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work. http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/11/2006/7UR5.jpg With his choice of women, Bill chose one who is obviously a better project manager than himself, having only produced one clunker (Microsoft Bob), and three reasonably good products Publisher, Encarta, and Expedia. Bill, on the other hand stoled DOS. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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G T Smith wrote: There is bit more to it that .. DTP publishers also output marks used to align copy to professional printing presses and had support for some of the formats used. A volume printer is somewhat different beast to a desktop laser. I don't speak of professional work, here, I never could (nor will :-) use xpress... make pro work with publisher?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Andersen wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote: Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work. Her maiden name was Ms. Dos. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Andersen wrote: Bill, on the other hand stoled DOS. Not quite. He sold it to IBM, before he bought it from Seattle Computer Products. Tim Paterson of SCP developed QDOS as a development system, while waiting for CP/M-86. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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El lun, 28-05-2007 a las 07:44 -0400, James Knott escribió: John Andersen wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote: Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work. Her maiden name was Ms. Dos. ;-) XDDD Your're sharp! AOP -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jdd wrote: But on a news paper, on can see the beginning of an article on the front page and the following on an other page or on an other column of the same page By the way, what you mentioned is known as a jump. It's not necessarily considered the best practice. But I get what you are saying in regards to the text frames. Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use (I used it in classroom with pupils), much easier than PageMaker or Ventura (you see, I'm an old timer :-) I do not use such progamms for at least 3 years now, so I don't know what happen Didn't know what happened to what? Pagemaker became InDesign. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jdd wrote: G T Smith wrote: There is bit more to it that .. DTP publishers also output marks used to align copy to professional printing presses and had support for some of the formats used. A volume printer is somewhat different beast to a desktop laser. I don't speak of professional work, here, I never could (nor will :-) use xpress... make pro work with publisher?? jdd Maybe I should have titled this InDesign alternatives then. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 23:41 -0800, John Andersen wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote: Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work. http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/11/2006/7UR5.jpg With his choice of women, Bill chose one who is obviously a better project manager than himself, having only produced one clunker (Microsoft Bob), and three reasonably good products Publisher, Encarta, and Expedia. Bill, on the other hand stoled DOS. Married above his born station in life. He won't get an invitation to the Queens dinner party that way. -- Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Republican Party -- Finally - A spam blocker that actually works. http://www.bluebottle.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pueblo Native wrote: I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw that line anymore. think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org. It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jdd wrote: think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org. It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done... My original idea was that the biggest difference between these products was how they treated text. In a word processor, for instance, most of the time text was text. In a DTP product, on the other hand, text is a design element, just like photos and other graphics. That was my original concept, and I think that's pretty much gotten smashed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sodipodi is a program like scribus, I dont know the status of it nowdays... their site seems a little broken and outdated (http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3) also check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vector_graphics_editors On 5/26/07, Pueblo Native [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BandiPat wrote: On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? == Take a look at KWrite. They have added several dtp features to it and it really shows promise. There are still so many things missing from Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open use type program. If you're just needing something simple, KWrite may fill the void. You can also get PageStream, if you want a full featured dtp program. You can download a trial version and sadly it's not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it is. I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw that line anymore. What I'm looking at more is putting together a list of the office programs (Outlook, Publisher, Frontpage) for which there is no direct equivalent in OpenOffice. Being a journalism student myself, I could see three major levels of people who may be looking for the DTP software. Level 1: Newsletter publisher (church, small school, etc), a one time document that may need some touches but really doesn't need to be fine tuned. Level 2: Student newspaper (college/high school), maybe small town newspaper that might be still published on the weekly or monthly basis but still has a professional feel to it. Level 3: Daily Newspaper and beyond (book publisher, magazine, something that absolutely needs spot on color separation and other high level features). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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BandiPat wrote: On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? == Take a look at KWrite. They have added several dtp features to it and it really shows promise. There are still so many things missing from Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open use type program. If you're just needing something simple, KWrite may fill the void. You can also get PageStream, if you want a full featured dtp program. You can download a trial version and sadly it's not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it is. I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw that line anymore. What I'm looking at more is putting together a list of the office programs (Outlook, Publisher, Frontpage) for which there is no direct equivalent in OpenOffice. Being a journalism student myself, I could see three major levels of people who may be looking for the DTP software. Level 1: Newsletter publisher (church, small school, etc), a one time document that may need some touches but really doesn't need to be fine tuned. Level 2: Student newspaper (college/high school), maybe small town newspaper that might be still published on the weekly or monthly basis but still has a professional feel to it. Level 3: Daily Newspaper and beyond (book publisher, magazine, something that absolutely needs spot on color separation and other high level features). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? openoffice draw? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, May 24, 2007 7:57 pm, Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? AFAIK, no. There's really nothing that matches the simplicity and power of MS Publisher unfortunately. My wife just used it the other day for a open house flyer and my mom has it running in Crossover Office on her SUSE system. You can see a ongoing list of linux/windows alternatives here: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html It has been a little while since the last update, but they seem to be there on occasion. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote: I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? == Take a look at KWrite. They have added several dtp features to it and it really shows promise. There are still so many things missing from Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open use type program. If you're just needing something simple, KWrite may fill the void. You can also get PageStream, if you want a full featured dtp program. You can download a trial version and sadly it's not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it is. regards, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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