[opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
El Domingo, 6 de Mayo de 2007 02:19, Raúl Moratalla escribió: > Hi, > > Is there any way to get the source rpms for SLED 10? Should Novell provide > them? > > Regards, > > Raul I searched more information and seems that they are available at the SLED SDK DVD. But why don't provide them easily from a ftp server? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
On Saturday 05 May 2007, steve reilly wrote: > as far as I know, SLED is not gpl, and proprietary to novell therefore the > source isnt provided. Dont quote me on this though. I don't think interpretation that would fly. Unless you are claiming they totally rewrote the linux kernel from scratch, all of Gnome, etc. Its all GPL! -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
John Andersen wrote: > On Saturday 05 May 2007, steve reilly wrote: >> as far as I know, SLED is not gpl, and proprietary to novell therefore the >> source isnt provided. Dont quote me on this though. > > I don't think interpretation that would fly. > > Unless you are claiming they totally rewrote the linux kernel > from scratch, all of Gnome, etc. > > Its all GPL! Not all is GPL but much. But that's not the point. People often think that someone has to provide the sources in any case for GPL software. But only people having access to the binaries must get access to the sources also. So only if you are a SLED customer you can ask for the sources for the GPL'ed software on it. IANAL, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
On Saturday 05 May 2007, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: > John Andersen wrote: > > On Saturday 05 May 2007, steve reilly wrote: > >> as far as I know, SLED is not gpl, and proprietary to novell therefore > >> the source isnt provided. Dont quote me on this though. > > > > I don't think interpretation that would fly. > > > > Unless you are claiming they totally rewrote the linux kernel > > from scratch, all of Gnome, etc. > > > > Its all GPL! > > Not all is GPL but much. > But that's not the point. People often think that someone has to provide > the sources in any case for GPL software. But only people having access > to the binaries must get access to the sources also. So only if you are > a SLED customer you can ask for the sources for the GPL'ed software on it. That's my interpretation too, only if you distribute the product do you need to give source, so one could take the position that until one purchases a copy no distribution takes place (evaluation software aside). Therefore there is no requirement to give source to anyone except paying customers. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
El Domingo, 6 de Mayo de 2007 09:05, John Andersen escribió: > > But that's not the point. People often think that someone has to provide > > the sources in any case for GPL software. But only people having access > > to the binaries must get access to the sources also. So only if you are > > a SLED customer you can ask for the sources for the GPL'ed software on > > it. > > That's my interpretation too, only if you distribute the product do you > need to give source, so one could take the position that until one > purchases a copy no distribution takes place (evaluation software aside). > Therefore there is no requirement to give source to anyone except paying > customers. > > Yes, I also thought it ,thanks :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
On Sun, 2007-05-06 at 12:45 +0200, Raúl Moratalla wrote: > El Domingo, 6 de Mayo de 2007 09:05, John Andersen escribió: > > > But that's not the point. People often think that someone has to provide > > > the sources in any case for GPL software. But only people having access > > > to the binaries must get access to the sources also. So only if you are > > > a SLED customer you can ask for the sources for the GPL'ed software on > > > it. > > > > That's my interpretation too, only if you distribute the product do you > > need to give source, so one could take the position that until one > > purchases a copy no distribution takes place (evaluation software aside). > > Therefore there is no requirement to give source to anyone except paying > > customers. I think that as soon as you make it public (ie. not only for internal/personal use) you have to make the sources available. I guess a follow up question to that would be; If you don't modify the sources at all, but simply package them (without any patches etc), do you still have to make them available? Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
Your are quite correct SLED is a proprietary produce of Novell. The RPM's are not loading on a server as you purchase the boxed set and licences etc Scott :-) steve reilly wrote: > On Saturday 05 May 2007 20:59, John Andersen wrote: > >> On Saturday 05 May 2007, Ra�l Moratalla wrote: >> >>> El Domingo, 6 de Mayo de 2007 02:19, Ra�l Moratalla escribi�: >>> Hi, Is there any way to get the source rpms for SLED 10? Should Novell provide them? Regards, Raul >>> I searched more information and seems that they are available at the SLED >>> SDK DVD. But why don't provide them easily from a ftp server? >>> >> I dono, but perhaps the source RPMs become available once you buy SLED. >> >> I'm not sure they that are obligated to give you source if you are not >> a customer. >> >> This is backwards of the old Suse, where getting source was easy >> but getting an ISO image was virtually impossible. >> >> Opensuse is a different thing of course. >> >> -- >> _ >> John Andersen >> > > > as far as I know, SLED is not gpl, and proprietary to novell therefore the > source isnt provided. Dont quote me on this though. I remember years ago > trying to sell off old box sets of suse I had purchased from novell on ebay > and had my seller status revoked and received nasty emails from novell. > > Like you said opensuse the source is freely available, and I believe is re > distributable but would have to remove any reference to novell in the whole > distro. kind of like what centos does with redhat linux. then again, im not > a lawyer lol. > > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
On Saturday 05 May 2007, Raúl Moratalla wrote: > El Domingo, 6 de Mayo de 2007 02:19, Raúl Moratalla escribió: > > Hi, > > > > Is there any way to get the source rpms for SLED 10? Should Novell > > provide them? > > > > Regards, > > > > Raul > > I searched more information and seems that they are available at the SLED > SDK DVD. But why don't provide them easily from a ftp server? I dono, but perhaps the source RPMs become available once you buy SLED. I'm not sure they that are obligated to give you source if you are not a customer. This is backwards of the old Suse, where getting source was easy but getting an ISO image was virtually impossible. Opensuse is a different thing of course. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Source rpms for SLED
On Saturday 05 May 2007 20:59, John Andersen wrote: > On Saturday 05 May 2007, Raúl Moratalla wrote: > > El Domingo, 6 de Mayo de 2007 02:19, Raúl Moratalla escribió: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Is there any way to get the source rpms for SLED 10? Should Novell > > > provide them? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Raul > > > > I searched more information and seems that they are available at the SLED > > SDK DVD. But why don't provide them easily from a ftp server? > > I dono, but perhaps the source RPMs become available once you buy SLED. > > I'm not sure they that are obligated to give you source if you are not > a customer. > > This is backwards of the old Suse, where getting source was easy > but getting an ISO image was virtually impossible. > > Opensuse is a different thing of course. > > -- > _ > John Andersen as far as I know, SLED is not gpl, and proprietary to novell therefore the source isnt provided. Dont quote me on this though. I remember years ago trying to sell off old box sets of suse I had purchased from novell on ebay and had my seller status revoked and received nasty emails from novell. Like you said opensuse the source is freely available, and I believe is re distributable but would have to remove any reference to novell in the whole distro. kind of like what centos does with redhat linux. then again, im not a lawyer lol. -- powered by OPENSuSE 10.2 athlon i386 GNU/Linux http://reillyblog.com http://norwichlinuxusersgroup.com 9:24pm up 7:37, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.12, 0.07 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
