[opensuse] Re: opensuse for 486 (was: legalities)
Richard Creighton wrote: Uh, I'm not sure I can quite follow you. If the openSUSE project built the distro for the 386 instruction set, the old 486 machines would still work fine. However, I am pretty sure the project has not been built with that instruction set in mind. That's true, the Pentium CPU was made the minimum requirement somewhere around 9.x IIRC. Maybe even 8.x, I'm not sure. It would be an interesting exercise to try but I'm not sure there is enough demand for 386 only code to induce anyone to undertake such a huge project. All the libraries, as well as the programs themselves would have to be recompiled. That's only a matter of compute time, so not really a big deal. Maybe the openSUSE build service could used. So while Linux itself can be compiled to run in a mode that is compatible with the old box, it is unlikely the rest of any modern distro will do so as well. Actually, I think it's quite likely that openSUSE could. Even if you are right about the OSS portion of the openSuSE distro, what would you propose about the NON-OSS portion of the distro? Stuff like Firefox or Thunderbird or ... well, you name it. Aren't FF and TB open-source ?? If we're talking binary packages not built for the 386 instruction set, it's pretty obvious that there's nothing we can do. But, there is probably a good chance that binary-only packages are built for the 386 instruction set anyway. I think the Adobe Acrobat reader is for instance. Hey, I'm all for it but I really don't think it is very likely in practice, as much as I hate to admit it. Oh, I doubt it too. 486s are now found mostly in embedded stuff, and there are other distros catering for that market. My own 486 firewall machine runs fine on 7.1 with updates and patches for openssl, iptables, and the kernel. And like someone already said, there are almost certainly better distros for that. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: opensuse for 486
Per Jessen wrote: Hey, I'm all for it but I really don't think it is very likely in practice, as much as I hate to admit it. Oh, I doubt it too. 486s are now found mostly in embedded stuff, and there are other distros catering for that market. My own 486 firewall machine runs fine on 7.1 with updates and patches for openssl, iptables, and the kernel. And like someone already said, there are almost certainly better distros for that. /Per Jessen, Zürich Per, my original assertion was that with M$'s current 'stuff', there is no chance. It is really nice to know that with Linux, even if you own and use a dinosaur 486 or 386 box, you can use Linux and with a little work even have some relatively modern programs to run on it simply because it is OSS and you *can* invest the time and compile it to run on your hardware. This is so unlike the welded shut offerings from M$. Your experience with 7.1 and my blind luck with 10.2 proves Linux is ultimately the right way. What I hope and pray doesn't happen is that those that make the decisions don't forget the roots and start making more changes that obsolete older equipment just because it is older equipment. Change, for change sake is not always the best route. The recent 'upgrade' of IDE to be included in SCSI naming and specification schemes along with SATA drives is a case in point. My system has still not recovered from that...but that is another story -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: opensuse for 486
Richard Creighton wrote: What I hope and pray doesn't happen is that those that make the decisions don't forget the roots and start making more changes that obsolete older equipment just because it is older equipment. Couldn't agree more. Change, for change sake is not always the best route. The recent 'upgrade' of IDE to be included in SCSI naming and specification schemes along with SATA drives is a case in point. My system has still not recovered from that...but that is another story That one has yet to bite me - but as we're mostly SCSI anyway, it might not have much impact :-) /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: opensuse for 486
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-10-01 at 17:51 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: That one has yet to bite me - but as we're mostly SCSI anyway, it might not have much impact :-) No, the majority of machines probably are SATA or PATA, not really SCSI. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHAVCRtTMYHG2NR9URAk34AJ49XugdYH7HtQFSsWur1rvB5rZmJgCfULOe dnNFtCbDH0NRWIbyF44OKiE= =Q7kI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: opensuse for 486
2007/10/1, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-10-01 at 17:51 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: That one has yet to bite me - but as we're mostly SCSI anyway, it might not have much impact :-) No, the majority of machines probably are SATA or PATA, not really SCSI. Don't worry, we already received your mail twice ;) Best regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: opensuse for 486
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-10-01 at 17:21 -0300, Gabriel . wrote: Don't worry, we already received your mail twice ;) Not everybody, I hope ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHAWintTMYHG2NR9URAlO2AJ4rJ3FoECvZmEI8YzbjEkHF3Ef1rQCgg+Oe GE+GYIrypHGcPb3lX4EAoJE= =ZNao -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
