Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-08 Thread Registration Account
No quite right, however it is measured in hops. Distance and remoteness
often influence amount of hops. Time is the issue here and time is
consumed with every hop. If it takes 30 hops to reach Germany from
Alaska and only 10 to reach Japan the decisions is clear.

Useful tools, if you currently don't know about, are available at
www.dnsstuff.com

Regards
Scott

John Andersen wrote:
 On Sunday 06 May 2007, Registration Account wrote:
   
 I just completed another install of 10.2 and I live in Australia...O.K
 The update server the install program choose for me is in
 Russia!!
 There are 2 x mirrors in my country 1 in Japan and a few in Asia I think
 may have been a better choice.
 
  

 So what's the problem?
 The internet is not measured in miles.

 I (living in Alaska) often choose a server in Germany over one in
 my same timezone, because most people in Germany are asleep
 when I am awake, and their servers and bandwidth are less
 used at that time.



   


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[opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Registration Account
I just completed another install of 10.2 and I live in Australia...O.K
The update server the install program choose for me is in
Russia!!
There are 2 x mirrors in my country 1 in Japan and a few in Asia I think
may have been a better choice.
I don't know what process the Novell server goes through to pick an
update server but Russia???/
Anyway so far its performance has been good.
Greetings to all
Scott


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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread John Andersen
On Sunday 06 May 2007, Registration Account wrote:
 I just completed another install of 10.2 and I live in Australia...O.K
 The update server the install program choose for me is in
 Russia!!
 There are 2 x mirrors in my country 1 in Japan and a few in Asia I think
 may have been a better choice.
 

So what's the problem?
The internet is not measured in miles.

I (living in Alaska) often choose a server in Germany over one in
my same timezone, because most people in Germany are asleep
when I am awake, and their servers and bandwidth are less
used at that time.



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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Craig
Hi,

I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are dished
out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load, but is far
from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method based on the
originating IP range?  If web servers can generate country-specific
statistics then this should be possible.

My 0.02c

Regards

Sean


Registration Account wrote:
 I just completed another install of 10.2 and I live in Australia...O.K
 The update server the install program choose for me is in
 Russia!!
 There are 2 x mirrors in my country 1 in Japan and a few in Asia I think
 may have been a better choice.
 I don't know what process the Novell server goes through to pick an
 update server but Russia???/
 Anyway so far its performance has been good.
 Greetings to all
 Scott
   

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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 12:13:35PM +0400, Sean Craig wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are dished
 out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load, but is far
 from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method based on the
 originating IP range?  If web servers can generate country-specific
 statistics then this should be possible.

It is done using the timezone you specify in the installer, and 
a circle around it.

Ciao, Marcus
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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Craig
In 10.2, as far as I know, you do no choose an update server.  The setup
tool contact a Novell server and you get one update server returned. 
 
Regards

Sean


John Andersen wrote:
 On Sunday 06 May 2007, Registration Account wrote:
   
 I just completed another install of 10.2 and I live in Australia...O.K
 The update server the install program choose for me is in
 Russia!!
 There are 2 x mirrors in my country 1 in Japan and a few in Asia I think
 may have been a better choice.
 
  

 So what's the problem?
 The internet is not measured in miles.

 I (living in Alaska) often choose a server in Germany over one in
 my same timezone, because most people in Germany are asleep
 when I am awake, and their servers and bandwidth are less
 used at that time.
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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 12:16:45PM +0400, Sean Craig wrote:
 In 10.2, as far as I know, you do no choose an update server.  The setup
 tool contact a Novell server and you get one update server returned. 

You can of course change the server later on, in the Installation Source
module.

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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Craig
How big is this circle?  I'm based in the Middle East, and have gotten
update servers from Russia, UK, Aus - that's a very big circle!
 
Regards

Sean


Marcus Meissner wrote:
 On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 12:13:35PM +0400, Sean Craig wrote:
   
 Hi,

 I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are dished
 out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load, but is far
 from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method based on the
 originating IP range?  If web servers can generate country-specific
 statistics then this should be possible.
 

 It is done using the timezone you specify in the installer, and 
 a circle around it.

 Ciao, Marcus
   
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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Sean Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How big is this circle?  I'm based in the Middle East, and have gotten
 update servers from Russia, UK, Aus - that's a very big circle!

It depends on how many servers are in your area,

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RE: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Morten Bjørnsvik
 

|-Original Message-
|From: Marcus Meissner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are 
| dished out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load, 
| but is far from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method 
| based on the originating IP range?  If web servers can generate 
| country-specific statistics then this should be possible.
|
|It is done using the timezone you specify in the installer, 
|and a circle around it.
|

Wouldn't it be better to test the ring for latency or TTL?

Just measure a wget download of a specific file from varous sources and
choose the one with the lowest latency. This can be done in 50 
lines of scripting. The testing time is saved by the first download.

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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread James Knott
Sean Craig wrote:
 How big is this circle?  I'm based in the Middle East, and have gotten
 update servers from Russia, UK, Aus - that's a very big circle!
  
   

I believe the radius is only 20,000 km.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 07 May 2007 11:55:37 schreef Morten Bjørnsvik:
 |-Original Message-
 |From: Marcus Meissner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |
 | I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are
 | dished out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load,
 | but is far from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method
 | based on the originating IP range?  If web servers can generate
 | country-specific statistics then this should be possible.
 |
 |It is done using the timezone you specify in the installer,
 |and a circle around it.

 Wouldn't it be better to test the ring for latency or TTL?

 Just measure a wget download of a specific file from varous sources and
 choose the one with the lowest latency. This can be done in 50
 lines of scripting. The testing time is saved by the first download.

Or use netselect:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netselect.html

It's made to determine the fastest (download) server.


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