Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
Ben Kevan wrote: I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? /sbin/ifconfig Now, that being said, if you run ifconfig with any user ID other than root (i.e. su to root, or sudo, or login as root) then ifconfig can't change any settings --- it will only display what the settings are. In any business or even home environment, users who don't have the root passworddon't have them for a reason. Suppose your teenage kid suddenly gets the idea that he wants to do network administration on your Linux box Do you REALLY want him to be able to do "root" things without using a root password If you want an operating system where all security is off by default, I can introduce you to the products of a famous monopolist with headquarters in Redmond, Washington, USA. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 11:18, Sunny wrote: > On Nov 7, 2007 9:16 AM, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous. > > > > I'll have to work on that... > > You did not state you are British, that's why the confusion :) British?! Let me tell you, in everyday life I do not go by Randall... > -- > Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Nov 7, 2007 9:16 AM, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous. > > I'll have to work on that... > You did not state you are British, that's why the confusion :) -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
Mittwoch, 7. November 2007 Randall R Schulz: > On Wednesday 07 November 2007 01:27, G T Smith wrote: > > Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:51, Sunny wrote: > > >> On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever > > >>> allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo > > > > > > > > > It would seem that many consider these programs the equivalent of > > > loaded guns ... > > > > > > Thus, to protect idiots from themselves, ... > > > > lol > > > > I am sincerely hoping you are not entirely serious > > Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous. > > I'll have to work on that... Cool, an irony-feedback-loop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 01:27, G T Smith wrote: > Randall R Schulz wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:51, Sunny wrote: > >> On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever > >>> allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo > > > > > It would seem that many consider these programs the equivalent of > > loaded guns ... > > > > Thus, to protect idiots from themselves, ... > > lol > > I am sincerely hoping you are not entirely serious Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous. I'll have to work on that... RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo but it do, as always, just run /sbin/ifconfig... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2007/10/27/127022-Claire-Dodin-une-Toulousaine-extreme.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:51, Sunny wrote: >> On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever >>> allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo > > It would seem that many consider these programs the equivalent of loaded > guns whose bullets ineluctably seek the critical regions of the user's > system and, furthermore, that non-root users are universally idiotic. > > Thus, to protect idiots from themselves, all users must enter the root > password that they themselves chose when installing the system. This > places the person who can accomplish this task in the upper one quarter > of human intelligence. Those that can figure out how to use an absolute > path name or change their PATH variable are clearly among the genius > and are thus on their own. > > lol I am sincerely hoping you are not entirely serious Security is as much a mindset as a set of tools. People of all levels of experience make mistakes. Distinguishing between 'working on the system' with a special account from 'working with the system' with a working account is a useful safety check ... There little distinction in end result to having no safety and accidentally shooting yourself in the foot; and having a safety, taking the safety of and deliberately shooting oneself in the foot. Except usually in the first instance you can blame whoever designed the gun, and in the second it would be your fault... One I can I suppose build systems which are more idiot proof... but as someone pointed out this does not work out, they just build a better class of idiot :-/ >> -- >> Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) > > > RRS - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMYT9asN0sSnLmgIRAgwwAKClUS4uq5LjzI+o9AdmcjJwkspfHQCfXy7B UHqJ25XUB4mNbMPS4TXl8hc= =WhXR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:51:51 pm Sunny wrote: > On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow > > the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? > > Nothing stops you to do this, just /sbin is not in the default path, > > so you need to run: > > /sbin/ifconfig > > I really do not understand why /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in the > default user path, as they are in most of other distros though. Many > of the programs there are useful, and most important, runable as user, > including route. Also, it kind of complicates the use of sudo as the > OP said. > > > -- > Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) > > Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just > a pile of scrap. Seeing as the system is yours, you can add /sbin to your path on login or add it in the skel file that is used when creating all users, or some type of link / symlink ( aint linux wonderful ). As a default I would consider this as added system protection in the case of an actual system that is used by multiple users. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On 06/11/2007, Sunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > including route. "ip route" is in the users' path. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2 -- Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:51, Sunny wrote: > On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever > > allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo > > ifconfig? > > Nothing stops you to do this, just /sbin is not in the default path, > > so you need to run: > > /sbin/ifconfig > > I really do not understand why /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in the > default user path, as they are in most of other distros though. Many > of the programs there are useful, and most important, runable as > user, including route. Also, it kind of complicates the use of sudo > as the OP said. It would seem that many consider these programs the equivalent of loaded guns whose bullets ineluctably seek the critical regions of the user's system and, furthermore, that non-root users are universally idiotic. Thus, to protect idiots from themselves, all users must enter the root password that they themselves chose when installing the system. This places the person who can accomplish this task in the upper one quarter of human intelligence. Those that can figure out how to use an absolute path name or change their PATH variable are clearly among the genius and are thus on their own. > -- > Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On 11/07/2007 07:46 AM, Ben Kevan wrote: > I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the > user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? > > Ben > You can now, just need the path. /sbin/ifconfig as a user works fine. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 03:51:51 pm Sunny wrote: > On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow > > the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? > > Nothing stops you to do this, just /sbin is not in the default path, > > so you need to run: > > /sbin/ifconfig > > I really do not understand why /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in the > default user path, as they are in most of other distros though. Many > of the programs there are useful, and most important, runable as user, > including route. Also, it kind of complicates the use of sudo as the > OP said. > > > -- > Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) > > Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just > a pile of scrap. Wow.. major overlook by myself. I seriously thought it would be there, but guess not. Thanks for pointing that out.. I feel pretty stupid now. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the > user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? > Nothing stops you to do this, just /sbin is not in the default path, so you need to run: > /sbin/ifconfig I really do not understand why /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in the default user path, as they are in most of other distros though. Many of the programs there are useful, and most important, runable as user, including route. Also, it kind of complicates the use of sudo as the OP said. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
On 06/11/2007, Ben Kevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the > user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? It has, a normal user can run ifconfig, it's just not in the default path, run "/sbin/ifconfig". ifconfig has been deprecated for years ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifconfig ) the "ip" command is in the users' default path. "ip a" shows something similar to ifconfig used to. -- Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Will we ever see ifconfig as a user?
I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig? Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
