Re: [opensuse] building RPMs - was: uninstall source

2007-04-29 Thread lists Guillot

Oops, I got caught out AGAIN, and sent this to Thomas and not the
list. Sorry, Thomas!


On 4/29/07, Thomas Hertweck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You should only use RPM packages - these packages can be installed and
uninstalled without problems. Either get a ready-to-use RPM package from
a repository, or build an RPM package on your system, or (at least) use
checkinstall to build an RPM package (instead of using make install).
Anything else will sooner or later screw up your system.


You know, I've always been uncomfortable with building from source for
precisely the reasons you say, but it never occurred to me to build my
own RPMs. I somehow had an idea that it would be a complicated process
that only people who *distribute* software (and not all of them!)
would find worth doing, and that for your home system you just had to
go with make install.

I'm going to follow your advice. Johannes intimated above that
checkinstall has a bad reputation, and you also don't seem to think
too highly of it with your (at least). So what would be a good tool
for this? I see that I have rpmbuild on my system so I'm tempted to
use that, though the man page is not exactly a detailed instructions
manual.

Cheers.

g
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Re: [opensuse] building RPMs - was: uninstall source

2007-04-29 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Sunday 2007-04-29 at 21:53 +0200, lists Guillot wrote:

 I'm going to follow your advice. Johannes intimated above that
 checkinstall has a bad reputation, 

Absolutely not!

 and you also don't seem to think
 too highly of it with your (at least). So what would be a good tool
 for this? I see that I have rpmbuild on my system so I'm tempted to
 use that, though the man page is not exactly a detailed instructions
 manual.

You can use checkinstall with an absolutely clear conscience, there is 
nothing wrong with it. It is just that, if you intend to later distribute 
rpms outside, you'd better do them manually with full control of them. If 
you just want to install packages you compiled yourself, it is perfect.

The only people talking bad about checkinstall are those people that 
invested the necessary time and effort to make rpms manually - ie, 
developers and packagers - and for the simple reason that checkinstall is 
automatic, instead of manual, fine grained, full control.

Or would you stop using konqueror because the command line offers more 
control? Or stop using OpenOffice and write your documents in latex with 
vi? Fine tools, of course, but not for mere mortals :-P

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Re: [opensuse] building RPMs - was: uninstall source

2007-04-29 Thread lists Guillot

On 4/29/07, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You can use checkinstall with an absolutely clear conscience, there is
nothing wrong with it. It is just that, if you intend to later distribute
rpms outside, you'd better do them manually with full control of them. If
you just want to install packages you compiled yourself, it is perfect.

The only people talking bad about checkinstall are those people that
invested the necessary time and effort to make rpms manually - ie,
developers and packagers - and for the simple reason that checkinstall is
automatic, instead of manual, fine grained, full control.

Or would you stop using konqueror because the command line offers more
control? Or stop using OpenOffice and write your documents in latex with
vi? Fine tools, of course, but not for mere mortals :-P



Gotcha. Thanks.
g
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