[opensuse] smartmontools

[Clayton]

Just a question... does anyone know of a gui for smartctl?  Maybe a
Superkaramba plugin that displays normalized data from the output of
smartctl -a /dev/device... just looking for something that will make
monitoring my hard drives (for example hd temps) a little easier


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 09 June 2007 07:34, Clayton wrote:
> Just a question... does anyone know of a gui for smartctl?  Maybe a
> Superkaramba plugin that displays normalized data from the output of
> smartctl -a /dev/device... just looking for something that will make
> monitoring my hard drives (for example hd temps) a little easier

Munin can display SMART statistics.




Packman has Munin RPMs


> C


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Clayton]

> Just a question... does anyone know of a gui for smartctl?  Maybe a
> Superkaramba plugin that displays normalized data from the output of
> smartctl -a /dev/device... just looking for something that will make
> monitoring my hard drives (for example hd temps) a little easier

Munin can display SMART statistics.




Packman has Munin RPMs


Hmmm interesting tool.  If I understand it right, it is a web based
monitor.. ie you use a web browser to view the output.  Thanks for the
tip on this one :-)

I've also been tinkering with SuperKaramba trying to add in a few bits
and bobs of info to a theme I'm using... I'm trying a line like this:

text x=170 y=135 sensor=program program="hddtemp /dev/sda | awk
'{print $4}'" align=right color=200,200,0 fontsize=10 font="nimbus
sans l" interval=1

If I switch to a regular terminal window and run the bit in quotes, it
returns the operating temp of sda... exactly what i want to display in
SuperKaramba
---
hddtemp /dev/sda | awk '{print $4}'
33°C
-
but SuperKaramba is not co-operating and displaying the value... just
a blank spot.  I've tested with just text in this location, and it
shows fine, so it's not a silly error like trying to display outside
of boundaries.  In theory it shoudl work, and there are other themes
using similar constructs... Any tips or ideas on this one?

If I can get this so I can monitor hd temps, it'd be a perfect
compliment to using Munin as a weekly checkup tool.


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

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Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Munin can display SMART statistics.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Packman has Munin RPMs

Hmmm... I can't seem to find this in the Packman repository. Do you have
a specific url?

Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 09 June 2007 08:57, Clayton wrote:
> > > ...
> >
> > Munin can display SMART statistics.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > Packman has Munin RPMs
>
> Hmmm interesting tool.  If I understand it right, it is a web based
> monitor.. ie you use a web browser to view the output.  Thanks for
> the tip on this one :-)
>
> I've also been tinkering with SuperKaramba ...
> ---
> hddtemp /dev/sda | awk '{print $4}'
> 33°C
> -

It's nice to see they're using Unicode.


> but SuperKaramba is not co-operating and displaying the value... just
> a blank spot.  I've tested with just text in this location, and it
> shows fine, so it's not a silly error like trying to display outside
> of boundaries.  In theory it shoudl work, and there are other themes
> using similar constructs... Any tips or ideas on this one?

I can't help you with SuperKaramba. I've played with it a bit, but I've 
never tried to write my own modules for it, nor have I done more than 
check it out.

Unfortunately, when one searches for "Smartmontools SuperKaramamba" 
together, you mostly find alphabetical package listings where the two 
alphabetize close to each other, making most of the hits spurious.


> If I can get this so I can monitor hd temps, it'd be a perfect
> compliment to using Munin as a weekly checkup tool.

Munin is a monitoring tool. You can have it plot values over varying 
timescales, so you could, e.g., have it record hourly drive 
temperatures and then you could readily see daily variational patterns 
(if in fact that computer is subject to cyclic daily environmental or 
usage patterns).


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:11, Rick Friedman wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > Munin can display SMART statistics.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > Packman has Munin RPMs
>
> Hmmm... I can't seem to find this in the Packman repository. Do you
> have a specific url?

Well, I'm using SuSE Linux 10.0 and the Packman repository lists version 
1.2.4.

The first hit from Google for "Packman Munin" is 
, which seems perfectly 
on point.

For whatever reason, there are versions for (open)SUSE 9.2, 9.3, 10.0 
and 10.1, but not 10.2. Are you using openSUSE 10.2?

Perhaps if you prod the packager, he'll add a 10.2 version.

There's a source package there, so you could always install that and 
build it yourself. I don't know how complex a package it is (something 
short of Gaim, I suppose (*)), or how vast its dependencies might be, 
but if you're adventurous or just good at this stuff, that might be the 
most expeditious route.

(*) "Building and Extending Gaim"
  
  (392 pages!)


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:33, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:11, Rick Friedman wrote:
> ...
> > Rick
> > --
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>
> [ If you put a space after the two hyphens, most mailers will
> consider it to be the start of a signature section. ]

Evidently something somewhere, for some of us at least, is removing that 
space.


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Clayton]

Hmmm... I can't seem to find this in the Packman repository. Do you have
a specific url?


That's probably because the last build in Packman's repo is for 10.1.
If you go direct to the Packman site and download the 10.1 build it'll
work in 10.2.. needs some config after install though.


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Clayton]

I can't help you with SuperKaramba. I've played with it a bit, but I've
never tried to write my own modules for it, nor have I done more than
check it out.


It's usually pretty easy.. if only to massage other people's themes -
which is all I usually do, and what I am trying to do now.  I still
cannot get it to work.. and not sure why since the program option
should print it's output into the theme.



Munin is a monitoring tool. You can have it plot values over varying
timescales, so you could, e.g., have it record hourly drive
temperatures and then you could readily see daily variational patterns
(if in fact that computer is subject to cyclic daily environmental or
usage patterns).


That is probably what I will look at doing.  I've had some major
issues lately with heat and failures.. failing drives, CPU getting
rather warm under 100% load etc.  I changed out the case today to a
bigger case with better fans/ventilation, and cleaned the heat sinks.
This has made a rather large difference in component temps... CPU
under 100% load has dropped from 61C to 42C and hard disk temps have
dropped from around 47C down to 32C to 38C.

I was looking at something to monitor (live if possible) the output of
things like hddtemp and smartctl.  Munin will at least compile that
info for me.  I have a feeling that the info will be looking much
better now.


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:23, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Saturday 09 June 2007 08:57, Clayton wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > I've also been tinkering with SuperKaramba ...
> > ---
> > hddtemp /dev/sda | awk '{print $4}'
> > 33°C
> > -
>
> It's nice to see they're using Unicode.

It seems unlikely, but maybe that's the problem? The degree symbol is a 
two-byte character. Perhaps SuperKaramba is choking on it?

You could test this by using sed to replace it with something benign 
like "degrees".

By the way, cut is probably a better choice for the very simple task of 
selecting a field from a line of test. Awk is a bit heavy for this. Be 
sure to specify both the separator (-d ' ') and the "don't split 
multibyte characters" option (-n).


% dtemp() { hddtemp "$@" | cut -t ' ' -n -f 4; }

% dtemp /dev/sdb
35°C

% dtemp /dev/sdb |sed -e 's/°/ degrees /'
35 degrees C


> > ...


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools

[André Malin]

Le June 9, 2007 12:33:50 pm Randall R Schulz, vous avez écrit :
> On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:11, Rick Friedman wrote:
> > Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > Munin can display SMART statistics.
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > > Packman has Munin RPMs
> >
> > Hmmm... I can't seem to find this in the Packman repository. Do you
> > have a specific url?
>
> Well, I'm using SuSE Linux 10.0 and the Packman repository lists version
> 1.2.4.
>
> The first hit from Google for "Packman Munin" is
> , which seems perfectly
> on point.
>
> For whatever reason, there are versions for (open)SUSE 9.2, 9.3, 10.0
> and 10.1, but not 10.2. Are you using openSUSE 10.2?
>
> Perhaps if you prod the packager, he'll add a 10.2 version.
>
> There's a source package there, so you could always install that and
> build it yourself. I don't know how complex a package it is (something
> short of Gaim, I suppose (*)), or how vast its dependencies might be,
> but if you're adventurous or just good at this stuff, that might be the
> most expeditious route.
>
> (*) "Building and Extending Gaim"
>   
>   (392 pages!)
>
> > Rick
> > --
> > Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool.
>
> [ If you put a space after the two hyphens, most mailers will consider
> it to be the start of a signature section. ]
>
>
> Randall Schulz
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You'll find it there:
http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/darix/openSUSE_10.2
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[opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Ciro Iriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-08-07 04:07]:
> Just checked, on [EMAIL PROTECTED] works out of the box, on [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> "-d
> ata" is needed.

smartmontools-5.33-18
openSUSE 10.1 x86_64
2 x Seagate SATA2 400GB

08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4
Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
Serial number: 3NF1P3D8
Device type: disk
Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 08:04:39 2007 EDT
Device does not support SMART

08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sdb
smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4
Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
Serial number: 3NF1JBP5
Device type: disk
Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 08:04:41 2007 EDT
Device does not support SMART


OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART  :^(


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

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The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 08:07 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
> Serial number: 3NF1JBP5
> Device type: disk
> Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 08:04:41 2007 EDT
> Device does not support SMART
> 
> 
> OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART  :^(

That's not possible!

I think it should be a bug somewhere. Perhaps you can check your drive 
documentation to see if they mention smart or not. If they have smart, 
then you can fill the bug on bugzilla...

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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-08-07 08:17]:
> 
> The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 08:07 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> 
> > Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
> > Serial number: 3NF1JBP5
> > Device type: disk
> > Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 08:04:41 2007 EDT
> > Device does not support SMART
> > 
> > 
> > OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART  :^(
> 
> That's not possible!
> 
> I think it should be a bug somewhere. Perhaps you can check your drive 
> documentation to see if they mention smart or not. If they have smart, 
> then you can fill the bug on bugzilla...

Seagate says the drive *is* smart capable, but that the smart function
may be disabled by the bios.  There is no setting provision for smart
in my award bios, mb=k8n neo4 series socket 939 nForce 4 Ultra
(ms-7125).  bios was up-to-date as of August 1, 2007.

Seagate info from online, bios/mb from provided MSI manual.

will file bug...
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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-08-07 09:17]:
> will file bug...

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=308980

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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

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The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 09:15 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> > I think it should be a bug somewhere. Perhaps you can check your drive 
> > documentation to see if they mention smart or not. If they have smart, 
> > then you can fill the bug on bugzilla...
> 
> Seagate says the drive *is* smart capable, but that the smart function
> may be disabled by the bios.  There is no setting provision for smart
> in my award bios, mb=k8n neo4 series socket 939 nForce 4 Ultra
> (ms-7125).  bios was up-to-date as of August 1, 2007.
> 
> Seagate info from online, bios/mb from provided MSI manual.
> 
> will file bug...

I'm guessing that the bios support of smart, is that the bios will read 
the smart log somehow on boot and warn the user if there is an impending 
failure (ie, smart predicts a failure in 24 hours). I'm not sure that 
disabling smart in the bios will really stop smartctl in linux from 
learning the smart status of the drive.

But this is just a guess.


However, smart collection can be enabled/disabled on the drive itself, 
using "smartctl -s".

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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-08-07 09:28]:
> 
> However, smart collection can be enabled/disabled on the drive itself, 
> using "smartctl -s".
> 

09:49 wahoo:~ # smartctl /dev/sda -a ;smartctl /dev/sda -s on
smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4
Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
Serial number: 3NF1P3D8
Device type: disk
Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 09:50:29 2007 EDT
Device does not support SMART
Request Sense failed, [Input/output error]

Error Counter logging not supported

Error Events logging not supported

[GLTSD (Global Logging Target Save Disable) set. Enable Save with '-S on']
Device does not support Self Test logging
smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce 
Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [Input/output error]
A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or
more '-T permissive' options.


'-T' arguments make no difference


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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

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> unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [Input/output error]
> A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or
> more '-T permissive' options.

Looks ugly.

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Re: [opensuse] smartmontools and sata drives, was: USB IDE disk caddies

[Ciro Iriarte]

2007/9/8, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> * Ciro Iriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-08-07 04:07]:
> > Just checked, on [EMAIL PROTECTED] works out of the box, on [EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED] "-d
> > ata" is needed.
>
> smartmontools-5.33-18
> openSUSE 10.1 x86_64
> 2 x Seagate SATA2 400GB
>
> 08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
> smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4
> Bruce Allen
> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>
> Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
> Serial number: 3NF1P3D8
> Device type: disk
> Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 08:04:39 2007 EDT
> Device does not support SMART
>
> 08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sdb
> smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4
> Bruce Allen
> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>
> Device: ATA  ST3400633AS  Version: 3.AA
> Serial number: 3NF1JBP5
> Device type: disk
> Local Time is: Sat Sep  8 08:04:41 2007 EDT
> Device does not support SMART
>
>
> OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART  :^(
>
>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Asus M2N32-SLI and 2x250GB Seagate SATA2

mainwks:~ # smartctl -d ata -i /dev/sda
smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4
Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: ST3250820AS
Serial Number:5QE067A9
Firmware Version: 3.AAC
User Capacity:250,059,350,016 bytes
Device is:Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   7
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:Sat Sep  8 12:57:35 2007 PYT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

mainwks:~ # rpm -q smartmontools kernel-default
smartmontools-5.33-18
kernel-default-2.6.16.27-0.9


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