Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-08-11 Thread Carl Spitzer
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 16:31 -0600, Chris Worley wrote:
> The second url is a search for MS appliances.  None looked like Win
> 3.1, but maybe one could work.  Maybe somebody could make a 3.1
> appliance for him?
> 

There is always FreeDOS and GEMM.  I do have legacy apps myself which
have no parallel in Win32 or Linux.  So worst case I could send him the
images of the disks for Win311.  I have them archived.


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Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-27 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Friday 27 July 2007 09:01, Richard Creighton wrote:
> Chris Worley wrote:
> > Doesn't VMWare have a 30 day trial?
> >
> > Use it to create a Win3.1 appliance, then use the appliance w/
> > VMWare.
>
> VMWare SERVER is FREE forever and doesn't need the player and
> distributing an appliance with win3.1 on it is probably illegal if
> distributed but VMWare SERVER is free and legal and he can put his
> legal copy of Windoze on it an run his old 16 bit apps under Linux
> while still running other Linux spps at the same time.   The player
> is simply not a very good idea in most cases IHMO, not when Server
> VMware is available...assuming you are non-commercial.   If you are
> doing it commercially, get the Workstation version and pay the
> license fee which is well worth it.

I agree with most of this, though the player concept is valuable for 
people packaging stand-alone solution environments. It's just not a 
good choice when the end user needs to control and configure the system 
that is to be virtualized.


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Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-27 Thread Richard Creighton


Chris Worley wrote:
> Doesn't VMWare have a 30 day trial?
> 
> Use it to create a Win3.1 appliance, then use the appliance w/ VMWare.


VMWare SERVER is FREE forever and doesn't need the player and
distributing an appliance with win3.1 on it is probably illegal if
distributed but VMWare SERVER is free and legal and he can put his legal
copy of Windoze on it an run his old 16 bit apps under Linux while still
running other Linux spps at the same time.   The player is simply not a
very good idea in most cases IHMO, not when Server VMware is
available...assuming you are non-commercial.   If you are doing it
commercially, get the Workstation version and pay the license fee which
is well worth it.
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Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-27 Thread Chris Worley
Doesn't VMWare have a 30 day trial?

Use it to create a Win3.1 appliance, then use the appliance w/ VMWare.

On 7/26/07, Chris Worley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The second url is a search for MS appliances.  None looked like Win
> 3.1, but maybe one could work.  Maybe somebody could make a 3.1
> appliance for him?
>
> On 7/26/07, Richard Creighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Chris Worley wrote:
> > > http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
> > >
> > > http://search.vmware.com/search?filter=0&q=microsoft&btnG=Virtual+Appliance+Search&entqr=0&restrict=&output=xml_no_dtd&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&ie=UTF-8&btnG.y=12&client=vmtn_appliance&num=10&btnG.x=15&ud=1&oe=UTF-8&proxystylesheet=vmtn_appliance&site=vmtn_appliance
> > >
> > >
> > The 'player' is ok provided someone has already made an 'appliance'
> > which fits your needs.   The VMWare SERVER is flexible and you can run
> > virtually *any* guest OS on it 'simultaneously' with your host (provided
> > you have enough memory of course).   I routinely load up alpha and beta
> > versions of SUSE rather than risk my installed system and when I feel
> > the need to feel grateful that I run linux and I want to run Windows, I
> > run it with the rubber gloves of 'VM server' protecting my posterior.
> > And, it is free to non commercial interests and there is little or no
> > speed penalty.   I don't see a good reason to go after the player unless
> > you simply need plug'n'play of an existing appliance and I'm pretty sure
> > you won't find Win 3.1 pre-loaded, at least not legally.
> >
>
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Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Worley

The second url is a search for MS appliances.  None looked like Win
3.1, but maybe one could work.  Maybe somebody could make a 3.1
appliance for him?

On 7/26/07, Richard Creighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Chris Worley wrote:
> http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
>
> 
http://search.vmware.com/search?filter=0&q=microsoft&btnG=Virtual+Appliance+Search&entqr=0&restrict=&output=xml_no_dtd&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&ie=UTF-8&btnG.y=12&client=vmtn_appliance&num=10&btnG.x=15&ud=1&oe=UTF-8&proxystylesheet=vmtn_appliance&site=vmtn_appliance
>
>
The 'player' is ok provided someone has already made an 'appliance'
which fits your needs.   The VMWare SERVER is flexible and you can run
virtually *any* guest OS on it 'simultaneously' with your host (provided
you have enough memory of course).   I routinely load up alpha and beta
versions of SUSE rather than risk my installed system and when I feel
the need to feel grateful that I run linux and I want to run Windows, I
run it with the rubber gloves of 'VM server' protecting my posterior.
And, it is free to non commercial interests and there is little or no
speed penalty.   I don't see a good reason to go after the player unless
you simply need plug'n'play of an existing appliance and I'm pretty sure
you won't find Win 3.1 pre-loaded, at least not legally.


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Fwd: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Worley

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

http://search.vmware.com/search?filter=0&q=microsoft&btnG=Virtual+Appliance+Search&entqr=0&restrict=&output=xml_no_dtd&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&ie=UTF-8&btnG.y=12&client=vmtn_appliance&num=10&btnG.x=15&ud=1&oe=UTF-8&proxystylesheet=vmtn_appliance&site=vmtn_appliance

On 7/26/07, Richard Creighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Thursday 26 July 2007 10:33, Chris Worley wrote:
>> VMWare Player is free... find an existing Windows image to use and
>> add your app to it.
>
> That would surely be a violation of the Windows license, would it not?
>
>
> Randall Schulz

If you are a legitimate owner of the license and it is not running on a
'real' machine, then it is legit to run it on the virtual machine as
long as you only run it on 1 machine.
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Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-26 Thread Richard Creighton


Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Thursday 26 July 2007 10:33, Chris Worley wrote:
>> VMWare Player is free... find an existing Windows image to use and
>> add your app to it.
> 
> That would surely be a violation of the Windows license, would it not?
> 
> 
> Randall Schulz

If you are a legitimate owner of the license and it is not running on a
'real' machine, then it is legit to run it on the virtual machine as
long as you only run it on 1 machine.
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Re: Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 26 July 2007 10:33, Chris Worley wrote:
> VMWare Player is free... find an existing Windows image to use and
> add your app to it.

That would surely be a violation of the Windows license, would it not?


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Fwd: [opensuse] Re: Is there a linux based program that can handle .drw files?

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Worley

VMWare Player is free... find an existing Windows image to use and add
your app to it.

On 7/26/07, Alfredo Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

El jue, 26-07-2007 a las 09:19 -0700, Robert Smits escribió:
> On Thursday 26 July 2007 01:25, James Hatridge wrote:
> > HI Bob et al...
> >
> > On Wednesday 25 July 2007 22:27, Robert Smits wrote:
> > > Some years ago I used my home gardening program, Key Home Gardener, which
> > > was a 16 bit Windows program, to lay out my lot, my septic system, and my
> > > landscaping. It produces files in a .drw format, which is a Microsoft
> > > vector format.
> > >
> > > Is there any Linux based program that will allow me to view my .drw
> > > files?
> >
> > Why not try VMware and run 3.1 on it? That should work.
> >
> > JIM
>
> It might, but the cost of VMware is so high that it's not practical.

You could also try VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/). It's free
and works good with openSuse 10.2.

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