Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
On Monday 28 January 2008 05:44:17 pm Fred A. Miller wrote: Carl Hartung wrote: On Mon January 28 2008 10:01:25 pm Stevens wrote: Carl: Understand that Al Gore, a corrupt American politician who is also dumb as a rock, will make tons of money off of people stupid enough to go along with his scam. There is a difference between pollution and global warming. How absolutely pitifully true. Still, if something is actually accomplished, perhaps we can get a portion of it back with some tax... Our 0.15% contribution to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet that is as asinine are Gore's propaganda. Where on earth is there space for some truth? but does lots to foul our nest. Please keep those two things separate perhaps you want to wait for a pollution documentary alone before anything gets done about that? perhaps then you can just divert attention to the shortcomings of the messenger again? as you watch this video: http://www.aconvenientfiction.com/inconvenient3.html These people also produced a documentary asserting that breast implants were GOOD for women. What credentials! Mainstream media and government have had decades of opportunity to objectively present the true cost of various aspects of our technology. When non professionals try to undertake the task, there is much more roughness and error in the message. To just take the ridicule route or to say it is not proven harmful yet are extremely negative approaches, driven by anything but conservatism. There is nothing conservative if your doctor tells you that since you have no lung cancer, you could keep on smoking, why / how would it be conservative to use exactly the same reasoning and words about global warming? Then came Against Nature, a documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public apology for showing it. Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list! I absolutely agree. Yet it is a fact that the time scale for the real science re global warming is not exactly defined yet. And is is absolutely ludicrous that the likes of you refuse to err on the side of caution while the science actually goes about it's sciencing. Should YOU be wrong, a simple sorry would definitely not do in 5, 10 or 20 years. Should the likes of Gore be wrong, we could always off with their head or their money or both, our grandchildren would actually get a little bigger share of our oil and they might even get a chance to visit some remote south pacific atoll before the sea covers it. wannabe a real conservative? dimitris small clip... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I absolutely agree. Yet it is a fact that the time scale for the real science re global warming is not exactly defined yet some remarks here (but may be we should go to the OT list?) * scientists have no evidence of why the climate warm nor how fast * but the evidence IS the climate warm :-( * who cares of why? the only thing we can do is act on *our* warming causes (we can't shut down volcanoes :-() so make as many efforts as you can, prepare for storms and pray if you beleive in god... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 22:42 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: Carl Hartung wrote: On Mon January 28 2008 09:41:50 pm Fred A. Miller wrote: No Carl, YOU loose. ;) You mention NASA..read their most recent data. They are predicting a mini-ice age again and to start soon that will last 20 - 30 years, WITH famine and crop failures. Fred: Please post to the list!!! You got a link to serve with that assertion? :-) NO Carl, I'm quite busy.if you want to know the truth, go look it up! The data was released in the last few days. There are several hits on Google using nasa predicts iceage, including one Russian Scientist. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science/2006/02/07/scientist_predicts_mini_ice_age/2345/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
On Tue January 29 2008 06:07:20 am Mike McMullin wrote: There are several hits on Google using nasa predicts iceage, including one Russian Scientist. LOL! :-) You guys are funny! The *1971* hypothesized scenario widely discussed back then in the media is now being deceptively rebranded as a NASA prediction. Climate modeling on sliderules! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!! Sorry... time to go catch my breath! :-) Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
On Tue January 29 2008 03:19:33 am [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our 0.15% contribution to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet that is as asinine are Gore's propaganda. Where on earth is there space for some truth? Right here. Thanks for asking! :-) note: AIT = An Inconvenient Truth - - - - - 8 - - - - - The England and Wales High Court (Administrative Court) Decisions: Justice Burton: I turn to AIT, the film. The following is clear: i) It is substantially founded upon scientific research and fact, albeit that the science is used, in the hands of a talented politician and communicator, to make a political statement and to support a political programme. ii) As Mr Chamberlain [note: the *Plaintiff*] persuasively sets out at paragraph 11 of his skeleton: “The Film advances four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC: (1) global average temperatures have been rising significantly over the past half century and are likely to continue to rise (”climate change”); (2) climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (”greenhouse gases”); (3) climate change will, if unchecked, have significant adverse effects on the world and its populations; and (4) there are measures which individuals and governments can take which will help to reduce climate change or mitigate its effects. - - - - - 8 - - - - - Now, a closer look at the opposition: - - - - - 8 - - - - - Revealed: the man behind court attack on Gore film - Fuel and mining magnate backed UK challenge to An Inconvenient Truth http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2190770,00.html - - - - - 8 - - - - - I do not understand your meaning, below. Be more precise and succinct. (I don't know you, or your motivations, but muddying the waters is a common tactic of the right. IOW, sowing confusion into the debate, like this: a) appearing to agree with both sides, b) leading up to clear conclusions then stating the opposite, c) incorporating vague and maladapted analogies, etc. Is this what you are engaging in?) Mainstream media and government have had decades of opportunity to blather snipped reasoning and words about global warming? Then came Against Nature, a documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public apology for showing it. Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list! I absolutely agree. more blather snipped Then leave it there! wannabe a real conservative? What is the scientific definition of conservative? I am engaged here in an exchange concerning established scientific method and facts vs. politically motivated and dishonest junk and pseudo science. Give me science, please, and stuff your politics! Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Where are all the apoplectic, anal retentive dickheads on this list that were ready to crucify me for posting off-topic material and why aren't they in here screaming about this obviously way off topic discussion? Hypocrite bastards. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Hi, this thread stops now. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Carl Hartung wrote: On Mon January 28 2008 10:01:25 pm Stevens wrote: Carl: Understand that Al Gore, a corrupt American politician who is also dumb as a rock, will make tons of money off of people stupid enough to go along with his scam. There is a difference between pollution and global warming. Our 0.15% contribution to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet but does lots to foul our nest. Please keep those two things separate as you watch this video: http://www.aconvenientfiction.com/inconvenient3.html These people also produced a documentary asserting that breast implants were GOOD for women. What credentials! Then came Against Nature, a documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public apology for showing it. Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list! Carl.you need better glasses!! I didn't post thissomeone else did. Fred -- Steve Ballmer is no more able for the art of persuasion than the Abrams tank is for delivering meals on wheels. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Carl Hartung wrote: On Mon January 28 2008 09:41:50 pm Fred A. Miller wrote: No Carl, YOU loose. ;) You mention NASA..read their most recent data. They are predicting a mini-ice age again and to start soon that will last 20 - 30 years, WITH famine and crop failures. Fred: Please post to the list!!! You got a link to serve with that assertion? :-) NO Carl, I'm quite busy.if you want to know the truth, go look it up! The data was released in the last few days. Fred -- Steve Ballmer is no more able for the art of persuasion than the Abrams tank is for delivering meals on wheels. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Carl Hartung wrote: On Mon January 28 2008 07:03:36 pm Fred A. Miller wrote: So have I, and global warming is BAD science.PERIOD!! I've read your posts for a long time, Fred. Generally speaking, you almost always have an axe to grind in these kinds of exchanges (purposely avoiding the word debate here because I've read only assertions and insults... the opponents have no *science*] You become slick tonged Carl when others don't agree with you. You only read what pleases you, I guess. And PLEASE reply to the list! :-) You can start here, Carl. Now, I know you won't like what you read and will immediately state that ALL of the references here are from people who don't know what they're talking about, aren't qualified, or whatever. However, it may be educational for those who are interested in the truth instead of holding onto a political agenda. Now, this is off-topic and I'm done with it here. Fred http://www.environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagid=1344 http://csicop.org/doubtandabout/crichton/ http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_headline=debunking-of-global-warming--bad-science-method=fullobjectid=18749397siteid=50082-name_page.html http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58767 http://www.climateofdenial.net/?q=node/3 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/bad_research_horrendous_report.html -- Steve Ballmer is no more able for the art of persuasion than the Abrams tank is for delivering meals on wheels. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
