[opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
Hi,

 I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
from Yast, it says no patches available. 
I tried to see how can I configure the online update. To my surprise 
there are two entries called Online Update Configuration and Online 
Update Setup. For me it means the same, luckily the second shows in 
the tooltip that it is the configuration for automatic updates. 
  So try the first one (Online Update Configuration): clicking on 
Details or Next gives me the following error (after a while): An error 
occurred while connecting to server. Details shows: No products to 
register.
 Now let's see  Online Update Setup: I get a nearly blank window with 
the hints on the left an the Automatic Online Update Setup. No config 
options, just the Back/Abort/Finish buttons.

Does online update work for anyone or this is just a plain bug and I 
should report.

I used 10.1-GM, from a DVD created with makeSUSEdvd 0.29 (and yes, I get 
a signing error).  I updated an RC2 system (which previously was 
updated from 10.0 in more steps). 


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Cord Walter
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Andras Mantia wrote:

 
 Does online update work for anyone or this is just a plain bug and I 
 should report.

Same here...

 
 I used 10.1-GM, from a DVD created with makeSUSEdvd 0.29 (and yes, I get 
 a signing error).  I updated an RC2 system (which previously was 
 updated from 10.0 in more steps). 

Updated a 10.0 with a 10.1-GM DVD (makeSUSEdvd 0.30).

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
 Hi,
 
  I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
 any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
 from Yast, it says no patches available. 

There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.

Ciao, Marcus

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Christoph Thiel
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:

   I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
  any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
  from Yast, it says no patches available.
 
 There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.

... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default case, 
IIUC.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

Kenneth Schneider wrote:


Which leads to why it is -not- called Automatic Online Update Setup
and avoid the confusion. Perhaps it is a language translation thing.

on french, online update configuration is not translated 
at all.




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[opensuse-factory] online update servers not uptodate

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
on the way of configuring the online update, I had a message 
 I could not copy :-(, but saying something like service 
no more available (message from the server, I think)


an other try gave a correct hit.

anything to do?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:50 +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
 Hi,
 
  I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
 any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
 from Yast, it says no patches available. 
 I tried to see how can I configure the online update. To my surprise 
 there are two entries called Online Update Configuration and Online 
 Update Setup. For me it means the same, luckily the second shows in 
 the tooltip that it is the configuration for automatic updates. 

Which leads to why it is -not- called Automatic Online Update Setup
and avoid the confusion. Perhaps it is a language translation thing.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 16:40, Christoph Thiel wrote:
 On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are
   there any updates available at this moment? If I start the
   Online update from Yast, it says no patches available.
 
  There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.

 ... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default
 case, IIUC.

I have opera installed (8.52-12, x86_64), still nothing comes up. I 
guess it's time to open 3 bugreports...

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:26PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 May 2006 16:40, Christoph Thiel wrote:
  On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:
 I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are
there any updates available at this moment? If I start the
Online update from Yast, it says no patches available.
  
   There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
 
  ... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default
  case, IIUC.
 
 I have opera installed (8.52-12, x86_64), still nothing comes up. I 
 guess it's time to open 3 bugreports...

Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the pathces
already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote:
 Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the
 pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/

I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the 
original mail, the config dialogs in Yast are not really working.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:07:57PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote:
  Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the
  pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/
 
 I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the 
 original mail, the config dialogs in Yast are not really working.

YaST2 - Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 remote
Update Mirror ;)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
  Hi,
  
   I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
  any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
  from Yast, it says no patches available. 
 
 There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
 
I can confirm that those are available for those that have them
installed.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Karsten Ehrig
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
 On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
   
 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
 
 Hi,

  I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
 any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
 from Yast, it says no patches available. 
   
 There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.

 
 I can confirm that those are available for those that have them
 installed.

   

I've updated RC3--GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and
the Online Update Configuration failed with the message No products
to register..

After doing another update with the original CDs the Online Update
Configuration worked
and added the update server ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/;
via service ZYPP to the software update
configuration (see Icon in the lower right corner of the desktop). This
could be also done be hand.

Karsten


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:31:47PM +0100, Karsten Ehrig wrote:
 Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

  On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
  
  Hi,
 
   I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there 
  any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update 
  from Yast, it says no patches available. 

  There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
 
  
  I can confirm that those are available for those that have them
  installed.
 

 
 I've updated RC3--GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and
 the Online Update Configuration failed with the message No products
 to register..

If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.

 After doing another update with the original CDs the Online Update
 Configuration worked
 and added the update server ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/;
 via service ZYPP to the software update
 configuration (see Icon in the lower right corner of the desktop). This
 could be also done be hand.

CIao, Marcus

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote:
  I've updated RC3--GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30)
  and the Online Update Configuration failed with the message No
  products to register..

 If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.

Hm, I also put the add-on CD to the DVD. Is there a known way to fix 
this without reinstalling everything?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:13, Marcus Meissner wrote:
 YaST2 - Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 remote
 Update Mirror ;)

Hm, I have only the local cd:/// entry... Should this remote repository 
added by the installer automatically or I should put it in manually?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Karsten Ehrig
Andras Mantia wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote:
   
 I've updated RC3--GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30)
 and the Online Update Configuration failed with the message No
 products to register..
   
 If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
 

 Hm, I also put the add-on CD to the DVD. Is there a known way to fix 
 this without reinstalling everything?
   
Actually you only have to boot from the original CD1 and run the update
again.
The packages won't be installed again because the versions are the same.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:32, Andras Mantia wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:13, Marcus Meissner wrote:
  YaST2 - Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1
  remote Update Mirror ;)

 Hm, I have only the local cd:/// entry... Should this remote
 repository added by the installer automatically or I should put it in
 manually?

Ok, adding it manually made the patches show up.
 Some remarks though:
- adding it took lot of time (downloading information from the server?) 
Hopefully it will not try to refresh the installation source from the 
mirror every time I run Software Management.
- the Source synchronization with ZMD failed. Save changes anyway? bug 
(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166287) is still present. 
I have to reopen it.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 07:28:43PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote:
   I've updated RC3--GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30)
   and the Online Update Configuration failed with the message No
   products to register..
 
  If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
 
 Hm, I also put the add-on CD to the DVD. Is there a known way to fix 
 this without reinstalling everything?

Renaming the CD6 so it is first to be copied not last.
CD's are copied in reverse order, so each overwrites previous data.

I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing
the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.

houghi
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Re: [opensuse-factory] online update servers not uptodate

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:51:46PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 on the way of configuring the online update, I had a message 
  I could not copy :-(, but saying something like service 
 no more available (message from the server, I think)
 
 an other try gave a correct hit.
 
 anything to do?

Use a pen and paper to write the message down. ;-)

houghi
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Cord Walter
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Marcus Meissner wrote:
 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:31:47PM +0100, Karsten Ehrig wrote:
 Kenneth Schneider wrote:
 On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:

 Hi,

  I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there
 any updates available at this moment? If I start the Online update
 from Yast, it says no patches available.

 There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.


 I can confirm that those are available for those that have them
 installed.


 I've updated RC3--GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and
 the Online Update Configuration failed with the message No products
 to register..

 If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.

That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote:
  If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.

 That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?

As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this, but have 
you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ and deleting/moving the 
offending entry?

It would be my first try, at least

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:34, Andras Mantia wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote:
  On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote:
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
  
   That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?
 
  As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this,
  but have you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ and
  deleting/moving the offending entry?
 
  It would be my first try, at least

 Can you post what you have there?

Me? I have two files for 10.1. I'm guessing you have something for the addon 
CD too, which you might want to remove

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Re: [opensuse-factory] online update servers not uptodate

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

houghi wrote:

On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:51:46PM +0200, jdd wrote:

on the way of configuring the online update, I had a message 
I could not copy :-(, but saying something like service 
no more available (message from the server, I think)


an other try gave a correct hit.

anything to do?



Use a pen and paper to write the message down. ;-)

houghi

it's no more on the screen :-(
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

houghi wrote:


I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing
the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.


I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as 
source, yast is able to see the cd's as disk1, disk2...


may be this could work also fort dvd and other disks?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

Andras Mantia wrote:


- adding it took lot of time


any open of change source or install software takes hours...

this is the main problem with net install, there as quite 
frequent packages updates, so the refresh is necessary (if 
you don't, the dowloading of packages fails).


I know no solution :-(
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 houghi wrote:
 
 I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing
 the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
 
 I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as 
 source, yast is able to see the cd's as disk1, disk2...

Not sure wat a gard drive is.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] online update servers not uptodate

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:17:03PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 houghi wrote:
 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:51:46PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 
 on the way of configuring the online update, I had a message 
 I could not copy :-(, but saying something like service 
 no more available (message from the server, I think)
 
 an other try gave a correct hit.
 
 anything to do?
 
 
 Use a pen and paper to write the message down. ;-)
 
 houghi
 it's no more on the screen :-(

Then look in the logfiles. Without any real information, answers will just
be guesses. I guess the server was not available. The cause can be
anything and it is even less possible to say way without a real feedback.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

houghi wrote:

On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote:


houghi wrote:



I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing
the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.


I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as 
source, yast is able to see the cd's as disk1, disk2...



Not sure wat a gard drive is.

houghi

g  h are neighbours - I meant Hard drive :-)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] online update servers not uptodate

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

houghi wrote:


Then look in the logfiles.


I did with no luck

I write this in case somebody else have such an experience, 
there is not enough data for a bug report


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:51:10PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 houghi wrote:
 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 
 houghi wrote:
 
 
 I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing
 the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
 
 I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as 
 source, yast is able to see the cd's as disk1, disk2...
 
 
 Not sure wat a gard drive is.
 
 houghi
 g  h are neighbours - I meant Hard drive :-)

And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now.

It was my understanding that we were talking about a DVD made with the
6CDs and not just the 5. So I would think that after installation there
are not CDs to see.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd

houghi wrote:


And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now.


when you setup an install source for yast, you can use yast 
to copy the cd content to the same directory, but you also 
can just copy the content of any and all the cd on the same 
directory under subdirectories disk1, disk2...


the result is:
/101/ (for example)
 disk1/
 disk2/
 disk3/
 ...

if, when you install, with any boot disk or disk1, you 
direct yast to the hard drive, disk1, it can find all the 
others disks


obviously yast looks for the name given in archive.gz for 
the rpm searched to know on what disk it is.


a dvd is essentially a drive, so copying the same tree to a 
dvd could work, given the archive.gz is properly updated


jdd


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:59, Andras Mantia wrote:
 I can remove it (I have only one referring to add-on), but I assume it
 needs to be replaced with a file from a clean 10.1 install. I tested,
 it's not enough to remove it.

Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp stuff 
works.

but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case it's 
cached, I mean (does rug products show add-on as installed?)

I can't find anything immediately obvious in bugzilla about it, so reporting 
it there might be an option.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] online update servers not uptodate

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:52, jdd wrote:
 houghi wrote:
  Then look in the logfiles.

 I did with no luck

Which log file did you look in? The ones in /var/log/YaST2 is usually a good 
bet, specifically y2log

 I write this in case somebody else have such an experience,
 there is not enough data for a bug report

The only obvious thing I can think of is that you received a 503, service 
unavailable, from the server. But y2log should be able to tell you

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg

Hi,

On Tue, 16 May 2006, Andras Mantia wrote:

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 23:08, Anders Johansson wrote:



Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp
stuff works.

but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case
it's cached, I mean (does rug products show add-on as installed?)

I can't find anything immediately obvious in bugzilla about it, so
reporting it there might be an option.


Meantime I did an update from CD1, now this problem has gone (and yes,
the file from  /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ was replaced with the correct
one).


Using the inst-source directory leaves /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ empty.
Should I bugzilla that?

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