[opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Alpha 3 successfully installed via network
Hi,Just to report a successfull network installation of openSUSE 10.2 Alpha 3 (hosted by oss.sgi.com) on my hp workstation zx6000. At the moment, I noticed that there are at least problems with the GNOME settings daemon ( http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-08/msg00563.html) and DRI (not yet reported).Cheers, Émeric
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
Missing Xen: Maybe this is not the right place, but I really miss Xen on the announced Features and Roadmap for openSUSE 10.2. The "Status of Xen3 on SUSE Linux 10.0", which is the only and latest I still can see, is http://en.opensuse.org/Xen3_Status_and_Updates The last line in that table, "Other Operating System support on top of Xen and VT not tested" is especially of interest to follow up now. XenSource is also just releasing their XenEnterprise with support Linux guest operating systems with Windows support following before the end of 2006 in alignment with the broad availability of Intel and AMD server systems designed to support Xen. XenEnterprise is promises to make it very easy for an organization to install, configure, manage and monitor virtualized Windows and Linux operating systems running across multiple physical servers. What I really wish is that openSUSE 10.2 will offer some smaller "Xen workstation" solution that with YaST tools can ease the installation, configuration and administration of Xen and typical and actual i.e Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP as additional guest operating systems on Intel-VT and AMD-V workstations. If this features is possible to include, I think it will further power openSUSE 10.2 ? Regards, Terje J. Hanssen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Error while starting the GNOME settings daemon
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 21:19 +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Émeric Maschino wrote: > > > I just finished a fresh network installation of openSUSE 10.2 Alpha 3 on > > my hp workstation zx6000 (Itanium IA-64 architecture). When I log in a > > GNOME session, I'm getting a dialog stating that there was an error > > starting the GNOME settings daemon. This dialog has no window decoration > > at all. During the same time, the window manager icon is displayed for > > several minutes in the GNOME splash screen before the starting process > > and the remaining icons are displayed. I eventually access to a GNOME > > desktop, but there's no window decoration at all and windows can't thus > > be moved, resized, etc. > > > > I've only found one similar report here www.tuxmachines.org/node/8898 > > > > There's nothing similar in bugzilla for the openSUSE 10.2 and > > OpenSUSE.org products. > > Please file a bug then! Its already filed, its probably just an artifact of the latest control center package not being in stable. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Agenda for tomorrow's distribution meeting
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:15:27AM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> On Thu 31 Aug 2006 06:43:37 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
>
> > In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build
> > system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need
> > an editor at all.
>
> True. This will hopefully sort out (ie drop) the vi requirement from
> buildrequires of SUSE packages.
10.1 doesn't have expanded BuildRequires anymore.
Cheers,
Michael.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 11:18:30PM +0200, Joerg Mayer wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:40:59PM +0200, Jiri Benc wrote: > > d80211 (aka DeviceScape stack) isn't stable yet. There are known locking > > problems (see f.e. http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg13279.html), > > d80211 is known not to work with NetworkManager yet, user space tools > > for advanced features of d80211 need to be written. > > > > We definitely won't have all of this fixed in time for 2.6.18. > > Do you really mean 2.6.18 or 2.6.19? And while neither NM nor advanced > features may be ready in time for the 10.2 release, even the basic > functionality will quite likely be very welcome when compared to shipping > a 10.2 without any support for these cards. > > > > Some driver developers therefore perfer to use the DeviceScape stack. > > > > There is a general consensus that new wireless drivers should use > > d80211. > > ... unless the card has very much intelligence inside: it doesn't look > like the current ipw2100 and ipw2200 can be ported with a reasonable > amount of work to the devicescape stack - the ipw3945 has already been > ported by Intel (still waiting for the release). > > > > Other drivers (like madwifi) even use their > > > own stack implementation. The inhomogeneity of the wireless LAN drivers > > > is a major drawback for us, but unfortunately it does not look like it > > > will get better until we have a full featured ieee80211 stack in the > > > mainline kernel every WLAN driver developer can live with. > > I've been following the developemnt of the wireless stack for quite a > while now, and wihle it looked like the (Intel based) current ieee stack > would be the base for a future unified wireless stack, things have > changed significantly and chances are really high that d80211 will be > the future - there has even been the discussion on netdev to make the > switch as early as 2.6.19 (that's why I wrote "might ... one release > early"). > > So even if it isn't quite ready for prime time now, it looks like it is > very close - and if it makes it into a 2.6.19rcX while 10.2 is still in > beta, I'd like to see a backport going into the suse 10.2 kernel - > that's what I was really aiming at. I doubt we will do any backports. Just the plain release kernel + necessary patches. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] upstart for opensuse
On 2006-08-29 19:18:32 +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/upstart.html > > i did a plain package for it. sysv-rc is still missing. will do it once > i am at home. :) > > package can be found in home:darix just a small warning: smart install upstart will happily overwrite /sbin/init with the file from upstart. for more see: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=202924 seems smart happily ignores file conflicts :/ i will leave the upstart package for testing for now. the next update will provide a binary that doesnt conflict. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Adding SBIG CCD camera support to SUSE?
Jasem Mutlaq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > With such an unclear license situation, we cannot >> > take these for >> > openSUSE at all. >> >> I'll get back to the vendor and ask them for the >> license details regarding the firmware. >> >>Yes please do so. >>Please also ask for permission to distribute the > firmware >>with commercial SUSE Linux Products. > > Hello, > > I contacted SBIG regarding the _distribution_ of their > firmware in SUSE and they have no problem with it. > They also have no problem in packaging their binary > library in a SUSE non-OSS RPM, which I will release > later. > > Now regarding the firmware, what sort of > licence/agreement do you require from SBIG to > release/sign so we can bundle their firmware in SUSE? Let's handle this offline - thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpVbvg0g9kG8.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] Re: Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
On čt 31. srpna 2006 09:27, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 11:54:54PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
>> Just a question: The kdelibs _patch_ was marked with the refresh
>> ("Aktualisieren") icon (in the left column) in YOU instead of the
>> (confusing) black "install" checkmark. Was this an intentional change
>> or just by accident?
>
> Its unrelated.
It is actually another case of the UI showing you way more than you ever
wanted to know: the _patch_ is getting _updated_, meaning that you already
have an older kdelibs patch installed.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
I will make some mockups this month. Have to use PaintShopPro cause Gimp I can't handle. Maybe Krita is something but have to find out yet. Andreas did get a mockup but that was only one screen and horrible design-work (read: no design at all) Will mockup a part (or the whole) of the installation. Probably with a splisscnreen to Normal/Expert and from that point two screens per tep. You'll see. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
> > Maybe, or it's just like we use YaST all the time and that is just a > > YaST-look. But the install is very important for users that want to > > checkout SUSE. A graphical install that looks slick will make people > > trust the software. Don't know why but it's like that. > > Slick, is that horizontal bar that tells nothing, but time point. > Than troubleshooting would be easier: > Q:"Let me know what you see in exactly in 2 min 45 sec after beginning?" > A:"I see blue to 46%. The rest is white." > Maybe install should be so simple that there are no questions? > >>> Idea 2: Let the user select what screens he/she wants to use default: > >>> default/expert. On every screen in default there will be an option to > >>> see expert-options but you don't have to make the choice every time. > >> > >> yes > > This contradicts request for simplification as it adds another screen > with options. Serious, you make vague points. The one above I had to read 7 times and this one I don't understand neither. It DOES add a screen but default users won't see that screen. > > > For the asker: Options confuses people. The will read the options but > > probably they don't understand everything of it. Just make them hidden. > > Removing options is what MS did and now I'm using Linux. > What is your proposal where to go if SUSE removes all options? Darn, you are annoying man. Maybe have to be put in Expert? > >>> Idea 3: This one is stolen from Vista. Drop those radiobuttons (round > >>> things) and replace it with an nice arrow that directly reponse. > >> > >> don't always try to mimics windows. I don't know vista and > >> don't want to know about it :-). I like to be able to groups > >> my answers, the less screens the better > > > > Don;t get you're point. This thing does not generate more pages. It just > > makes sure you only have to click ones instead of "select option C" - > > "Next". It feels more 'direct' to do it with action-buttons. Don't be > > afraid to mimic Vista on some point. Maybe we won't agree with their > > bussiness and source-model but that does not mean their graphical design > > is bad. > > > > Brr, ik dislike Linux-fanboys that ban everything from MS only > > because it is MS. > > Wrong, Azerion. > It is disliked because it's a lot of eye candies without content, and > reference MS is just to save typing. The content does not change with this idea. You only miss the [next] button at those pages cause the acion will be there if you click the option. > > I don't like to see that kind of "user friendly" here. Computers are > complex devices, and operating systems are not mind readers to guess > what I want to do with. Installation programs have to ask questions, and > user must be able to answer. If they are not clear what was asked the > only exit is good (not necessarily large) help. > The question is the sameDo you read the plan? Now: - read 4 options - click option 1 - click next Next page Then: - read 4 options - click option 1 Next page > >>> Idea 4: Do not show more information the needed in default. I don't > >>> care what step I have had and which one will come next. > >> > >> I do care much. this is a very good thing, don't change it, > >> please. It's very fequent to be disturbed during a work > >> (phone call...) and you must know where you are when coming back > > > > True, you want to know where you ARE. You don't have to know where you > > HAVE BEEN. I know that I have partitionized and selected a language.. > > Hello, how to locate where I'm with single word. How many steps was > before and how many comes is important. BTW, just as it is in MS, just > different graphics. Why should you know where you located? Somebody said: sometimes I install 3 PC's at the same time. Good, then you are probably not Joe Avarage so it can be placed in Expert. > > > Lees info in the screen, as default, is good. > > Don't turn slide show off. There is not much information ;-) Read further my friend > > >>> Idea 5: Take care of that you show a lot of nice things in the > >>> slideshow. 3 buttons: prev, next, diashow. It uses some space on the > >>> disk but new users will welcome it > >> > >> honestly I don't like the slideshow, I HATE advertisements. > >> If slide show tyhere is, it should be _usefull_ (list of new > >> points, some help...) > > > > YOU hate them, YOU won't watch them if you are installing openSUSE. YOU > > are expert and YOU know what openSUSE brings to your desktop. > > > > I do also, new users don't. And I guess we will have to focus on new > > users at some points. Experts won't see the slide-show after all (even if > > it includes release-notes) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
Andreas Hanke wrote: > Andreas Jaeger schrieb: >> That one was fixed in the meantime, so there's no general problem in >> adding it to our tree. But let's look at the details, I've reopened >> it now. > > It's this commit: > > http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-commit/2006-08/msg00846.html > > And from there, basically > > +Requires: unzip > > in package yast2-installation. unzip is needed for extracting licenses from the /media.1/license.zip file. /usr/share/YaST2/modules/ProductLicense.ycp -- Lukas Ocilka, YaST Developer (xn--luk-gla45d) - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o., Lihovarska 1060/12, Praha 9, Czech Republic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 11:54:54PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Am Dienstag, 29. August 2006 09:36 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> [...]
> > * Test whether YOU installs patches using patch/delta RPMs. Note
> > patch and delta RPMs are smaller than full RPMs. Therefore
> > download is faster but assembly of them takes longer.
>
> It seems YOU used deltarpm to install today's kdelibs patch. ("seems"
> because I left YOU running while lunch - the y2log shows a
> applydeltarpm call ;-)
>
> > If anything looks broken, [...]
>
> Just a question: The kdelibs _patch_ was marked with the refresh
> ("Aktualisieren") icon (in the left column) in YOU instead of the
> (confusing) black "install" checkmark. Was this an intentional change
> or just by accident?
Its unrelated.
> A very minor problem I just noticed: the tiny "please wait..." window at
> YOU startup has a questionmark (help) icon in its titlebar, but no help
> text is provided (well, you don't really need help text there ;-)
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=202818
>
> Besides that, everything looks good right now. Tested:
> - installation of the new package manager using zmd-updater
> - a patch installed with zen-updater
> - a patch installed with YOU
I also tested Installation -> YOU update during installation. Worked fine.
> > We do not plan to add further fixes, our goal is to get this update
> > out and find any regressions introduced.
There is one I would consider a showstopper, the "Patch RPM error" bug.
Ciao, Marcus
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
Andreas Jaeger schrieb: > That one was fixed in the meantime, so there's no general problem in > adding it to our tree. But let's look at the details, I've reopened > it now. It's this commit: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-commit/2006-08/msg00846.html And from there, basically +Requires: unzip in package yast2-installation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
Andreas Hanke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Andreas Jaeger schrieb: >> We do not plan to add further fixes, our goal is to get this update >> out and find any regressions introduced. > > Is that a final decision? No ;-) That's the plan. I prefer to not hold up the release because of extra fixes that people like to see. > What about the "missing unzip" bug: > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=195911 > > That one shouldn't be too risky and it had 3 dupes in a month. That one was fixed in the meantime, so there's no general problem in adding it to our tree. But let's look at the details, I've reopened it now. > I think that users of a minimal installation would appreciate it if YaST > could fix itself during an online update without manual intervention. Yeah... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpcyuED79Vhw.pgp Description: PGP signature
