Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
On Friday 09 March 2007 07:41, jdd wrote: > NO bug should stay for old version open if nobody works on it. > > Old bugs should be noted: The problem is that bugs are there and simply closing is not good option, as even very old ones are usually just carried over: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=189655 is still there and here is the mail thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-03/msg00513.html That is something in the kernel driver for that particular card and it is not fixed, obviously. BTW, is there any other activity, except this here. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
Juergen Weigert wrote: On Mar 08, 07 19:57:33 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:43, Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In SuSE10.3 there is no cdrecord. What is the binary replacements file name? Are you thinking of "wodim"? And there used to be a a symlink named cdrecord pointing to wodim. No more? cheers, Jw To All; The only thing necessary to do was install all of the audio binaries. Then it seemed SuSE's 103 K3B hesitated to count the minutes correctly. Or at least it seemed to. I down loaded the same version building in all of binaries and k3b is working. No other cdrecord/wodim or cd music wav/mp3 program needed to be upgraded. The only thing that seems to matter is - size in minute Anyway, Thanks to all for the enlightenment. I might suggest adding streamripper to the SuSE install stream. It is a console tool but work unbelievable well Just for the heck of it I was looking for a DJ player for Linux to play around with. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: " [EMAIL PROTECTED] " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " [EMAIL PROTECTED] " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316 Did you know? The transistor was invented by three white men. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Checksum errors on packages.en
Hello list! I have an issue when at home which I'm hoping for some help with. I have two installation sources on my machines (I've got two machines and 4 different installations of openSUSE 10.3Alpha1Plus). When I try to refresh the inst-sources, it starts to download everything, and when it's done, it tells me that there is a checksum verification error on packages.en. I've tried the following installation sources and they all fail; http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ The other day, I went to my work office and refreshed the inst sources on my laptop, and it all worked fine! Then when I came back home, it was "broken" again. On the laptop, I've tried both wired and wireless but with the same result. I know that (most, if not all) other people don't have this issue. What I would like to do, is to try to pin-point where it goes wrong. So my question; 1. Is it somehow possible to download packages.en manually and then use some utility to do a checksum test on it (it needs to be identical to what libzypp is doing) to see if it actually fails. Then I can VPN in to the office and download it from there and do the same test. Any other help trying to figure this out would be much appreciated. Cheers, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-03-09 at 11:51 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > On Mar 8 10:59 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): > > 1) It sucks for home users to have to enter a password to > > setup a printer. > > How often does a home user set up a printer? > > The system admin password is only needed when a new printer is > added or the existing printer is replaced by a different model. I have tried on my system, and I, with my user password, can add a new printer, via cups web interface. Maybe I have cups as too permisive, but as I'm also root and the only one using this computer, so it doesn't matter. If I had more users, I could modify it, I think, so that only a group of users have that privilege. But my point is that it is possible to allow users to add new printers, without root's password. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF8dBztTMYHG2NR9URAn0zAKCJXTuKSApT9OHEnXyPePvolnSeMACgkaCc nmBFQGuGHrs1C0dTH/L7kQk= =u/bk -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-03-08 at 10:57 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > The "optionally" is the crucial word here! > The system admin (i.e. the person who set up the system) > can of course delegate his permissions and set up appropriate > stuff in cupsd.conf so that whatever users on whatever hosts > are allowed to do whatever the system admin likes, > see my mail dated 6 Mar 2007. As a user, I like it the way it is now, with cups; when I want to add or modify a printer, I use the cups web interface. A user can add a printer, if I remember correctly, depending on cups config. The only thing I miss is a Yast module to configure cups for those permission schemes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF8c3ztTMYHG2NR9URArIEAJ9++i/MPaKOCZP3vemPdiQBPmxEIwCfdiSn ahGE+zrY3aEyjvZRqcX/zKQ= =S1ra -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Carlos E. R. wrote: Win have many drwbacks, and mail attachments can execute without notice with outlook - I never use mail on my window box :-) Agreed :-) With certain mail clients, I assume that not all of them do so. Thunderbird have certainly not this kind of problem. anyway, e-mail can be dangerous (attachements can be executed by the user and affect the hole computer) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Tor package
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Nikolay Derkach wrote: > Seems that current build is broken or at least not synced to factory. It was > built against libevent-1.2.so.1, while factory has 1.3 version. Nothing a little rpmbuild --rebuild won't fix. I'm on a powerbook, so I get to do this all the time :) -- Evan McClain /* No Comment */ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-03-09 at 23:01 +1100, Magnus Boman wrote: > > I think there is somewhere a misconception of what a virus is. _no > > virus can come on if nothing infected is executed_. > > Hmm... Sorry, I am no expert in the window world. The fact was that he > had SOMETHING nasty on his computer. That might be. A worm, for instance. If there are other machines infected in the same intranet, he could easily be exposed. I think xp has some kind of firewall, maybe it was not active. > > Win have many drwbacks, and mail attachments can execute without > > notice with outlook - I never use mail on my window box :-) > > Agreed :-) With certain mail clients, I assume that not all of them do so. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF8bDDtTMYHG2NR9URAlmdAJ9FRIStsyXZcbg43q1Mr0+Txnt/ZwCff+sD qASnrdgxb+DLSAnbsu5t2iw= =vP7k -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] xvkbd and tablet pcs. Please make xvkbd optional in 10.3, kde integration
I've currently got a Toshiba tablet PC with built in keyboard and a wacom tablet built in. In opesuse 10.2, the xvkbd virtual keyboard is started automaticaly as you log into KDE I do see why this is but I really do not use it and it is only an annoyance to me and probably others with a convertibla tablet PC. What I would really would have liked is a virtual keyboard that you could add to kicker or a panel. This would allow it to hide automatically like a normal panel can be configured, it would not constantly take up space on the taskbar and it would be more similar to how a PDA place a virtual keyboard. I would really like to have the virtual keyboard (and text recognition) as a more integrated part of the desktop environment. The current situation of having an odd program here and there does not give you a feeling of consistency. I was planning to undertake this task myself, but I am not a sufficient QT/c++/kde developer as of yet. I hope someone would find this to be an interesting project because the linux tablet support is in need of some minor work here and there. -- Mvh Kristian Alvestad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thursday 08 March 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote: > Your argument is pretty weak as we default to firewall enabled, so > it's pretty hard to get to the ssh port ;) Ok, I didn't remeber what is the default behavior of the firewall. But in that case (ssh port is closed) it is really not needed to run it at startup for every system. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpeVUBnvq8O0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] y2pmsh, why is not integrated?
Hi, Ok thanks to all :-) Vincenzo 2007/3/9, Stanislav Visnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Dňa Št 8. Marec 2007 21:29 Francis Giannaros napísal: > On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:51:56 Vincenzo Barranco wrote: > > Hi, > > So, why the y2pmsh is not integrated on the factory development tree? > > openSUSE has zypper now, which can even also give you a jailed session just > like y2pmsh, so there's no need for it anymore. Unfortunately libzypp's > broken in factory at the moment (so currently zypper/yast won't work), but > hopefully that will be up-and-running again soon. Just for record: 'zypper sh' Stano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
Magnus Boman wrote: How about if we start going through the bugs for 10.1 and 10.2 yes NO bug should stay for old version open if nobody works on it. Old bugs should be noted: wontfix if fixing is not an issue critical is this one needs really be solved even on this old version moved to the upper version if important and still present and this must be done with comment. nobody should leave a house uncleaned :-))) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 14:13 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > Hello, > > On Mar 9 22:17 Magnus Boman wrote (shortened): > > On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:51 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > > > > > > How often does a home user set up a printer? > > > > When it comes to a USB printer, how about every time it's > > disconnected/connected?? I've got a HP Photosmart printer at home. If I > > configure it (with root), then I can print. But if I turn it off and > > then back on, cups will show it as online, but when I print to it, > > nothing will happen. > > A bug somewhere in your hardware, in USB or in HPLIP or whatever. > A bug must be fixed where it is and not by a workaround via > re-setup every time the hardware is disconnected/connected. > For the resulting pronblems with such a re-setup, see the > previous mails in this thread. Fair enough. I'll make an effort to report this bug. > > > A normal user can change and store his own printer specific > > > settings in his ~/.lpoptions (CUPS 1.1) or ~/.cups/lpoptions > > > (CUPS 1.2) file usually via the various printing dialog tools > > > (kprinter, gtklp, xpp, lpoptions) but not via the various > > > printer setup tools (which do the admin-related stuff). > > > > Will a normal user know about these files? > > I wrote "via the various printing dialog tools". > If a normal user does not know how to use the printing dialog > tools, there is something to do on the desktop/application layer. You wrote *usually* via the various printing tools. But at least we're going somewhere here since you admit that if a user does not know how to do something, we need to make a change somewhere. And that's where this discussion started. > Kind Regards > Johannes Meixner I noticed that you didn't comment on the OpenOffice, Acrobat Reader issues that I also had in this mail. I know that this is not a cups issue, but it's still worth remembering in this discussion. Kinder regards, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [fish][opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Andras Mantia wrote: Per Jessen wrote: I find it useful to use fish:// I don't even know about this :-( do you have a link? googling for "fish" wont give me what I want :-) It's a KDE KIOSLAVE. In almost all KDE applications you can access remote (file) systems which have sshd installed just by using the fish:// protocol. Very handy. ;-) oh! very nice. with these keywords (kde fish kioslave) I could even find the online doc! great thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [fish][opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Pascal Bleser wrote: >> It's a KDE KIOSLAVE. In almost all KDE applications you can access >> remote (file) systems which have sshd installed just by using the >> fish:// protocol. Very handy. ;-) > > Or sftp:// for that purpose (why go through the fish hack if you can > use sftp -- except when sftp is explicitly disabled on the ssh server) There doesn't seem to be any difference in functionality? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- ENIDAN Technologies GmbH - managed email-security. Is _your_ business under attack? http://www.spamchek.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
Hello, On Mar 9 22:17 Magnus Boman wrote (shortened): > On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:51 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > > > > How often does a home user set up a printer? > > When it comes to a USB printer, how about every time it's > disconnected/connected?? I've got a HP Photosmart printer at home. If I > configure it (with root), then I can print. But if I turn it off and > then back on, cups will show it as online, but when I print to it, > nothing will happen. A bug somewhere in your hardware, in USB or in HPLIP or whatever. A bug must be fixed where it is and not by a workaround via re-setup every time the hardware is disconnected/connected. For the resulting pronblems with such a re-setup, see the previous mails in this thread. > > A normal user can change and store his own printer specific > > settings in his ~/.lpoptions (CUPS 1.1) or ~/.cups/lpoptions > > (CUPS 1.2) file usually via the various printing dialog tools > > (kprinter, gtklp, xpp, lpoptions) but not via the various > > printer setup tools (which do the admin-related stuff). > > Will a normal user know about these files? I wrote "via the various printing dialog tools". If a normal user does not know how to use the printing dialog tools, there is something to do on the desktop/application layer. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [fish][opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andras Mantia wrote: >> Per Jessen wrote: >> >>> I find it useful to use fish:// >> I don't even know about this :-( do you have a link? googling for >> "fish" wont give me what I want :-) > > It's a KDE KIOSLAVE. In almost all KDE applications you can access remote > (file) systems which have sshd installed just by using the fish:// > protocol. Very handy. ;-) Or sftp:// for that purpose (why go through the fish hack if you can use sftp -- except when sftp is explicitly disabled on the ssh server) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF8ViPr3NMWliFcXcRAg9cAJ42fylFcV8TIQKRNZyduZWOdEb+tQCfVf2S YSluTifUxZkn/G3Dm7xuY+I= =KThz -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 13:13 +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > Il giorno gio, 08/03/2007 alle 12.20 +, Francis Giannaros ha > scritto: > > A couple of months before release time sounds good to me. > > I agree with Francis on this. If the release is on september, June-July > should be OK, considering the off-work period of August 8-) How about if we start going through the bugs for 10.1 and 10.2 (not all bugs need fixing in those versions but could be fixed in 10.3. Some of them would need fixing in those versions and we would leave them alone) prior to June/July and reassign/close/raise them as needed? We could do a session and involve someone from SUSE to make sure that we're doing the right thing (tm). If so, we need a list of bugs to start with (ie. any bug that has status open, needinfo, assigned, reopened and belongs to 10.1 and 10.2 AND have a resolution of later, remind and moved) > Regards, > Alberto Cheers, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
Juergen Weigert píše v Pá 09. 03. 2007 v 11:57 +0100: > On Mar 08, 07 19:57:33 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:43, Donn Washburn wrote: > > > > What is the binary replacements file name? > > > > Are you thinking of "wodim"? > > > > And there used to be a a symlink named cdrecord pointing to wodim. > No more? In a separate deprecated package cdrkit-cdrtools-compat. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarská 1060/12tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republichttp://www.suse.cz/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
Il giorno gio, 08/03/2007 alle 12.20 +, Francis Giannaros ha scritto: > A couple of months before release time sounds good to me. I agree with Francis on this. If the release is on september, June-July should be OK, considering the off-work period of August 8-) Regards, Alberto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [fish][opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
> Per Jessen wrote: > >> I find it useful to use fish:// > > I don't even know about this :-( do you have a link? googling for > "fish" wont give me what I want :-) It's a KDE KIOSLAVE. In almost all KDE applications you can access remote (file) systems which have sshd installed just by using the fish:// protocol. Very handy. ;-) Andras - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:51 +0100, jdd wrote: > Magnus Boman wrote: > > > I hope you have the latest anti-virus stuff and all the latest patches > > installed on there. > > I have (AVG) but it never complain (safe for some emule stuff I wont > speak of more here :-) > > It scans each start. I have also adaware stuff and this one warns > frequently > > > The point is, sad but true, that if you install a windows box and don't > > apply the latest patches straight away > > I have no patch beyond service pack 2 > > I think there is somewhere a misconception of what a virus is. _no > virus can come on if nothing infected is executed_. Hmm... Sorry, I am no expert in the window world. The fact was that he had SOMETHING nasty on his computer. > > may be you got a false alert... Nope. > > or the cd you installed from was already infected Nope, original CD with SP2. > > Win have many drwbacks, and mail attachments can execute without > notice with outlook - I never use mail on my window box :-) Agreed :-) > > jdd Cheers, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Magnus Boman wrote: I hope you have the latest anti-virus stuff and all the latest patches installed on there. I have (AVG) but it never complain (safe for some emule stuff I wont speak of more here :-) It scans each start. I have also adaware stuff and this one warns frequently The point is, sad but true, that if you install a windows box and don't apply the latest patches straight away I have no patch beyond service pack 2 I think there is somewhere a misconception of what a virus is. _no virus can come on if nothing infected is executed_. may be you got a false alert... or the cd you installed from was already infected Win have many drwbacks, and mail attachments can execute without notice with outlook - I never use mail on my window box :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:21 +0100, jdd wrote: > Magnus Boman wrote: > > > One of my colleges in the office installed a windows box less than a > > week ago, to try to reproduce an issue that his customers had. He then > > left it overnight (the machine is sitting behind a firewall and the only > > access to the internet will be NATed) and when he came back the next > > day, he had viruses all over the place. > > All he did was to install the box. He didn't use it at all. But viruses > > (worms, whatever) still manage to get in there... > > So, as a security measure, always take the necessary precautions. If > > we're not targeted today, we might be tomorrow! > > may be somebody used it when it turned back... No, this was in his own vmware session and nobody would have used that machine. > > I have a windows box very often on 24/24 and never get a virus (never > get one I don't dl myself) I hope you have the latest anti-virus stuff and all the latest patches installed on there. > > may be also what your friends see like a virus if the normal windows > way of like (spyware are common on regular windows applications) No, this was a virus. I can find out exactly which virus it was if you want to. The point is, sad but true, that if you install a windows box and don't apply the latest patches straight away, together with an anti-virus program, you will get viruses on there without even browsing the internet! > > jdd /Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [fish][opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, jdd wrote: > Per Jessen wrote: > > > I find it useful to use fish:// > > I don't even know about this :-( do you have a link? googling for "fish" wont > give me what I want :-) type in in konqueror: fish://[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Tel: +49 (0)931 888-5890 Universitaet WuerzburgFax: +49 (0)931 888-5508 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [fish][opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Per Jessen wrote: I find it useful to use fish:// I don't even know about this :-( do you have a link? googling for "fish" wont give me what I want :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Magnus Boman wrote: One of my colleges in the office installed a windows box less than a week ago, to try to reproduce an issue that his customers had. He then left it overnight (the machine is sitting behind a firewall and the only access to the internet will be NATed) and when he came back the next day, he had viruses all over the place. All he did was to install the box. He didn't use it at all. But viruses (worms, whatever) still manage to get in there... So, as a security measure, always take the necessary precautions. If we're not targeted today, we might be tomorrow! may be somebody used it when it turned back... I have a windows box very often on 24/24 and never get a virus (never get one I don't dl myself) may be also what your friends see like a virus if the normal windows way of like (spyware are common on regular windows applications) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:51 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > Hello, > > On Mar 8 10:59 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): > > 1) It sucks for home users to have to enter a password to > > setup a printer. > > How often does a home user set up a printer? When it comes to a USB printer, how about every time it's disconnected/connected?? I've got a HP Photosmart printer at home. If I configure it (with root), then I can print. But if I turn it off and then back on, cups will show it as online, but when I print to it, nothing will happen. There won't even be a document in the printer queue. So, the only thing (well, shouldn't say that it's the only thing, but...) I can do is to delete the old printer and re-add it. Then I can print again. Again, this require root. I tried to browse to localhost:631 and put the printer in off-line mode, then on-line mode again, but to no avail (off course, to be able to do that, I need to login as root). If I try to add a new printer while the non-functional one is still there, I get an error message that it can't find -2. If I hadn't forced my G/F to run Linux on her laptop, I could not have cared less, but... As it happens, she is running Linux and she can not print more than once per session without having to re-install the printer. Yes, I should probably report this behaviour as a bug. No, she shouldn't have to ask me what the username/password is in localhost:631 to try to restart the printer. > > The system admin password is only needed when a new printer is > added or the existing printer is replaced by a different model. Wrong! See above... > > A normal user can change and store his own printer specific > settings in his ~/.lpoptions (CUPS 1.1) or ~/.cups/lpoptions > (CUPS 1.2) file usually via the various printing dialog tools > (kprinter, gtklp, xpp, lpoptions) but not via the various > printer setup tools (which do the admin-related stuff). Will a normal user know about these files? Or are you confirming JPR's idea of having something to simplify printing on Linux? > > I can only guess that printer setup which really requires the > system admin password happens about once in a year for a home user. > Does it really suck to enter a password about once in a year? See above. > > Perhaps the real cause of the problem is that normal users > can access in their desktop menues the printer setup tools > and then they think they must use them to change printer > specific settings? How else would they *set* the printer settings? At the moment, printing in Linux sucks big time. I'm not only blaiming cups for that. OpenOffice, Adobe Acrobat Reader etc is equally bad at it (OpenOffice refuses to use the paper size set on the printer and Reader wants to print to lpr) suck as well. > > > > 2) Large corporate environments don't want to give out > > a root password, > > This is a very valid request. Agreed! > > Even in a home user environment the person who works > as system admin may not want to give out his root password > for example to all members of his family. See my answer above. Even if I wanted to give the username/password to my G/F, she wouldn't understand when to use it and how. > > Right now Klaus Kaempf explained the background to me: > > It is not only about printing, it is a very general problem > that currently we have onyl a "either all or nothing" policy: > Either root who has unlimited permissions > or normal user who has almost no permissions. This is correct. I would like to see everything on the Desktop simplified like JPR explained. If I plugin, for an example, an extra Network card, I don't want to have to go to YaST to configure it. I want a pop-up on my Desktop telling me that it found new hardware, and give me an option to configure it (if this can be done securely without requiring the root password, even better!) Cheers, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
jdd wrote: > I think this whole discussion is greatly relative to the difference > server/desktop. Yep, definitely. > I couldn't image a server without sshd, but on a desktop? most users > of thunderbird and seamonkey not even know there is an other mailbox > :-) I find it useful to use fish:// between two desktops - I have two office locations that I occasionally swap between. > servers are not stopped, so the boot time is not very important :-) Also very true. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- ENIDAN Technologies GmbH - managed email-security. Is _your_ business under attack? http://www.spamchek.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
On Mar 08, 07 19:57:33 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:43, Donn Washburn wrote: > > Hey Group; > > > > In SuSE10.3 there is no cdrecord. I guest the author of cdrecords > > message to Linux hit home. Anyway, while downloading/updating or > > just lucky I saw a note the cdrecord was being replaced. Problem is > > my memory has not locked on the new substitute. It may have been in > > the SuSE Yast Install notes > > > > A "which cdrecord", "locate cdrecord" fails to answer the question. > > Naturally. Those commands find existing files. > > > > What is the binary replacements file name? > > Are you thinking of "wodim"? > And there used to be a a symlink named cdrecord pointing to wodim. No more? cheers, Jw -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
Hello, On Mar 8 10:59 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): > 1) It sucks for home users to have to enter a password to > setup a printer. How often does a home user set up a printer? The system admin password is only needed when a new printer is added or the existing printer is replaced by a different model. A normal user can change and store his own printer specific settings in his ~/.lpoptions (CUPS 1.1) or ~/.cups/lpoptions (CUPS 1.2) file usually via the various printing dialog tools (kprinter, gtklp, xpp, lpoptions) but not via the various printer setup tools (which do the admin-related stuff). I can only guess that printer setup which really requires the system admin password happens about once in a year for a home user. Does it really suck to enter a password about once in a year? Perhaps the real cause of the problem is that normal users can access in their desktop menues the printer setup tools and then they think they must use them to change printer specific settings? > 2) Large corporate environments don't want to give out > a root password, This is a very valid request. Even in a home user environment the person who works as system admin may not want to give out his root password for example to all members of his family. Right now Klaus Kaempf explained the background to me: It is not only about printing, it is a very general problem that currently we have onyl a "either all or nothing" policy: Either root who has unlimited permissions or normal user who has almost no permissions. > Klaus's role bast yast email sounds promising for this. I think this is exactly the right direction. In particular see my other mail from today: Only CUPS policies are not sufficient to set up printing in a Windows-like network printing environment where usually printer drivers must be installed on the client system. > > We are at a dead end when you want to pervert how printing > > is done under Unix/Linux operating sytems (for CUPS and even > > for the old-stlye Unix/Linux printing systems like LPR and LPRng) > > into how printing is done under Windows (and iPrint). > > I personally don't think setting up cups policies that mimic "Windows or > OS X printing permission requirements is "perverting the Unix/Linux > way"? It seems only a misunderstanding because of unclear words. See my other mail from today where I explained what I mean with Unix/Linux-like printing versus Windows/iPrint-like printing (in the network). Of course setting up appropriate CUPS policies is perfectly o.k. and it has nothing to do with the fundamental difference between Unix/Linux-like printing and Windows/iPrint-like printing. What I want to point out is that in a big (i.e. business) network where admins exists, there has to be a CUPS server machine which is set up by the admins so that all Linux client systems can immediately print without any kind of printer setup on the Linux client systems. Therefore all my questions about which environment you have in mind where printer setup on client systems in a business network (with network printers) is needed. When there is a business customer who wants to install many SLEDs, we should urgently recommend to set up also at least one SLES to run a CUPS server so that for all SLEDs printing just works. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Tor package
В сообщении от 9 марта 2007 Lars Rupp написал(a): > Am Fr 09.03.2007 10:50 schrieb Nikolay Derkach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I suggest including tor [1] package to the distribution. I suppose > > many people > > use anonymous Tor network in their daily activities and this app would > > be > > very usefull. In addition a GUI frontend like TorK [2] is welcome. > > > > What do you think about this? > > Please have a look at: > http://software.opensuse.org/download/security:/privacy/ > Resp.: Thanks, I haven't managed to find this repo through webpin. > http://download.uni-hd.de/ftp/pub/linux/opensuse/repositories/security:/pri >vacy/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/repoview/tor-0-0.1.1.26-3.1.html > > Test the package and try to talk to the maintainer of the tor package in > the buildservice if he can add TorK and/or submit both to the > distribution. > > Regards, > Lars Seems that current build is broken or at least not synced to factory. It was built against libevent-1.2.so.1, while factory has 1.3 version. -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach pgpWZibifE24M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:36 +0100, Martin Schlander wrote: > Den Thursday 08 March 2007 23:52:14 skrev Christian Boltz: > > > AppArmor has no running daemon > > > > It loads the profiles on boot. > > But: I prefer security over saving a second of boot time ;-) > > Maybe you should unplug your internet connection then ;-) > > It's overkill for home desktop users imo, which make up the majority of users > I expect. It might be overkill at present time, but... See what's happening with windows... One of my colleges in the office installed a windows box less than a week ago, to try to reproduce an issue that his customers had. He then left it overnight (the machine is sitting behind a firewall and the only access to the internet will be NATed) and when he came back the next day, he had viruses all over the place. All he did was to install the box. He didn't use it at all. But viruses (worms, whatever) still manage to get in there... So, as a security measure, always take the necessary precautions. If we're not targeted today, we might be tomorrow! Cheers, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Den Thursday 08 March 2007 23:52:14 skrev Christian Boltz: > > AppArmor has no running daemon > > It loads the profiles on boot. > But: I prefer security over saving a second of boot time ;-) Maybe you should unplug your internet connection then ;-) It's overkill for home desktop users imo, which make up the majority of users I expect. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Tor package
Am Fr 09.03.2007 10:50 schrieb Nikolay Derkach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I suggest including tor [1] package to the distribution. I suppose > many people > use anonymous Tor network in their daily activities and this app would > be > very usefull. In addition a GUI frontend like TorK [2] is welcome. > > What do you think about this? Please have a look at: http://software.opensuse.org/download/security:/privacy/ Resp.: http://download.uni-hd.de/ftp/pub/linux/opensuse/repositories/security:/privacy/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/repoview/tor-0-0.1.1.26-3.1.html Test the package and try to talk to the maintainer of the tor package in the buildservice if he can add TorK and/or submit both to the distribution. Regards, Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
Hello, On Mar 8 11:16 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): > On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 10:57 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: > > http://www.cups.org/str.php?L790 > > --- > > the CUPS admin user can copy this way any printout to any place > > he likes (e.g. send it via mail to any external address ... > > --- ... > The solution though is in a comment in the upstream bug: > > "If you would like to contribute a patch which adds a "RestrictFilters" > option (or a list of allowed paths, or something like that), we will > consider it for inclusion in CUPS 1.2." > > We could be proactive here and send a patch upstream! According to http://www.cups.org/str.php?L790 such a "RestrictFilters" option has the consequence that it "would prevent driver developers from installing in alternate locations" (in particular third party drivers). I think what might be better is to distinguish between adding and deleting queues and changing existing queues. This way the system admin could allow that normal users can add (and perhaps even delete) queues but the system admin could forbid to change existing queues. For example a travelling salesman may have a company laptop where the system admin had set up carefully some queues for the company printers which the travelling salesman should not change but the system admin may allow that the travelling salesman can set up additional queues to print to whatever external printers e.g. in an external Windows-only or iPrint-only environment where usually even drivers must be installed on the client system to set up printing. Some background information regarding Unix/Linux-like printing and Windows/iPrint-like printing in the network: The crucial design difference is: Unix/Linux print systems: The client systems send the original data (e.g. plain text, PostScript, JPEG) to the print server and the print server converts it into printer specific format (the "filtering") and sends the printer specific data to the printer. Windows-like print systems: The client systems convert the original data into the printer specific format (therefore a printer specific driver is needed) and then send the printer specific data to the print server and the print server sends the printer specific data to the printer. Consequences: Unix/Linux print systems: The client systems don't need to care about the printer model. It is only the print server which is responsible to do the model specific stuff. This is THE advantage of the design under Unix/Linux. If an end-user has a laptop and connect it to a new network where a CUPS server is running and if the end-user runs his own cupsd on his own laptop, then he can immediately print. Windows-like print systems: The client systems must care about the actual printer model. Therefore usually model specific printer drivers must be installed on the client systems. This is THE drawback of the design under Windows. If an end-user has a laptop and connect it to a new network, then usually he cannot print without doing driver installation before. Perhaps he doesn't want to download and install drivers from an unknown/untrusted network system - what should he do? Consider the problems when printers are added or exchanged: Special software stuff (provide drivers for download) and special end-user actions (driver installation/replacement) are needed to deal with this situation. For more details see my "two longer explanations" in http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2004-11/msg02874.html Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Tor package
I suggest including tor [1] package to the distribution. I suppose many people use anonymous Tor network in their daily activities and this app would be very usefull. In addition a GUI frontend like TorK [2] is welcome. What do you think about this? [1] http://tor.eff.org [2] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39442 -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach pgpgEIWsko3lX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Thursday 08 March 2007 08:00, Stephan Kulow wrote: > > Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 schrieb Randall R Schulz: > > > > How many openSUSE users you think might require it? I'd go for 5 > > > > to 10. We're currently trying to get such packages out of the > > > > product everyone has to download and put them in opensuse > > > > buildservice repositories. And if you haven't yet, I suggest you > > > > get an account to upload the package. > > > > > > Do you really think there are only 5 or 10 programmers using > > > openSUSE? > > > > Hmm, you want to tell me every programmer needs cvsgraph? I wonder > > how I managed to program so far without it. > > I don't know. Give it a try. > > CVS and Subversion are the most widely used open-source version > control / source code management systems and both are included in > openSUSE. Many users of one or both of these also use ViewVC or > ViewCVS. This is also included. There's one missing piece: cvsgraph > (optional support for which is built into ViewVC). I believe there's a > large number of people who would like to have the additional > functionality provided by it and that the complete set of related > packages should be included. > > But what are the criteria for inclusion? What percent of the users must > use a package to get it included? > > If you start with this offhand "I don't need it and don't see why more > than a handful of users would" justification for excluding packages > (explicitly requested packages, no less), then where does it end? With > an operating system release with no more application software than MS > Windows? Of course not, but I'd strongly prefer continuing in the other > direction--"all comers welcome." Thank you for support. That's exactly my point of view. -- Regards Andreas Vetter
Re: [opensuse-factory] y2pmsh, why is not integrated?
Dňa Št 8. Marec 2007 21:29 Francis Giannaros napísal: > On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:51:56 Vincenzo Barranco wrote: > > Hi, > > So, why the y2pmsh is not integrated on the factory development tree? > > openSUSE has zypper now, which can even also give you a jailed session just > like y2pmsh, so there's no need for it anymore. Unfortunately libzypp's > broken in factory at the moment (so currently zypper/yast won't work), but > hopefully that will be up-and-running again soon. Just for record: 'zypper sh' Stano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
